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Their is no justification for the burying of people alive.
Beheading is not excusable
The murder of women and children is not understandable
Those who act like barbarians are no better than animals and there is no logic that can explain their actions as anything else
I agree.
People have a right to resist occupation, but all I am seeing are violent occupiers who are carrying out the bulk of the violence all over the place. Like anyone, I just want peace and fairness for all. Unfortunately our political systems are firmly opposed to peace and fund, train, and support bloodshed. If it isn't physical violence it is economic violence and regardless of a head being cut off or an old man freezing to death in his home, it is all wrong.
I look at Iraq and what has happened to it over the past 30 years and it is a constant attack and the people of Iraq are just people. Did they ask for any of this? It is generations of people that we have made suffer. The decades of sanctions, the bombing, the invasion, and now actively creating a group of extremists who are chopping people up? This is so bad. What have we done with this absurd war on 'terror'? We know exactly who the terrorists are, can we please lock them up? A nice long trial, with facts and evidence presented. No bodies dumped in the ocean, no drones, just proper rule of law and justice.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
It took you only seconds to apologise and excuse the murdering scum of ISIS.
No, I condemn it, but that doesn't mean I will ignore the source. Israel is wrong for destroying Gaza, but it couldn't do so without US support. The same goes for ISIS who have been in Iraq for MONTHS. If you throw a snake into the bedroom of the child are you not responsible for that child getting bitten? It doesn't mean that I am making excuses for the snake as a snake is a snake and I clearly don't like children being attacked and killed.
ISIS are vile and nobody can excuse nor justify them. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. All I am saying is that it is a bit rich for Obama to try and be the hero, when ISIS have been there for months and we know exactly how ISIS came about and to be targeting them with only a handful of strikes. Well, it's all fishy is all I'm saying.
It's all wrong. ISIS is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
I agree, and see clearly you are not apologising for ISIS. It might be a bit rich from Obama but better than that not getting involved now so as not to be a hypocrite.
I think Obama has to get involved, but right now it's all about protecting US positions and the oil. It should be about the people! Before they go to these countries, they should fully understand them and use that in an effort to rebuild. Instead they always leave the countries in a mess and in this instance planned for ISIS to come and riot. The priorities in these things are always wrong. In this instance get some troops out there and fight then hard and learn that you never train and arm mentalists ever again! It's such a shame for the Iraqi's. It's 30 years of constant abuse caused by us, and that doesn't make me or any of us feel very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I agree, and see clearly you are not apologising for ISIS. It might be a bit rich from Obama but better than that not getting involved now so as not to be a hypocrite.
It is all very much insane and butchery. We are using million dollar munitions to destroy single 2 thousand dollar Nissans loaded with religious mentalist who look forward to dying more spectacularly than the next guy. I think Iraq will go down as one of the biggest blunders in the last century and we no longer fight forces and arms but a mind set where they hardly need neither to gain and grow.
Agreed and to quote Kurtz, "Exterminate all the brutes!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I feel TV has and can dehumanise us, into excepting what's going on these are evil people
fuck Religion has a lot to answer for, well they do theses evil acts in the name of Religion.!!!
They are just pure evil bastards, but we will sit round a table and talk with theses people
why, in the second World war we brought theses people to justice, we executed them I
do hope the same fate awaits them.:mad:
Ffs.
It's not Isis fault, it's the west
It's not the 9/11 terrorists fault, it's the west
It's not Putins fault, it's the west
Can you see a pattern emerging?
It's not Hamas fault, it's Isreal
It's not Hitters fault, it's the Jews
It's not Saddams fault,it's the kurds
Quit apologising and looking for easy scapegoats to justify evil people.
It is the fault of Isis. Shame on them.
The guilt lies with those who use terror indiscriminately, shame on them.
Those whose actions mark them out as inhumane should not be afforded leeway as a special case as though the actions of others excuses them acting like nasty evil fuckers.
Beanz there is plenty of talking, theses evil acts are being carried out as we speech, rememberQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
mate placing blame on others is easy. Hams, Iss, they are the one's doing the killing, it's happening
ever single day. The West go tut, tut, , imagine this happening here people being murdered butchered , in the streets.
Blame is laid on them murdering bastards, but no doubt we in the West will do dirty
deals, with Iss , Hams, or who ever.
These nasty evil bastards need stopping, mind you there are a few evil shits pulling strings, they
may not be pulling a triggers, but they are all pissing in the same pot.!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
face value I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. BUT THIS IS OVERSIMLIPFYING A VERY DYNAMIC AND MULTI-FACETED SITUATION WITH NUANCES (whoops I had caps locked) of elements all mixining into one royal pile of confusing shit. For me and some others here, it is easy to see the equally evil influences of the west and israel in all this mess. WWho is more evil here? The actor or the reactor? Chicken or the egg? "I'm the victim" "No, I'm the victim". Beanz there is no black and white and as much as I wish there were, there will never be black and white. BOTH sides thuink they are white, and that their opponenets are black. AD INFINITUM.
Brock you have hit the nail on the head mate, perpetrator or victim, are theses roles changingQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
face value I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. BUT THIS IS OVERSIMLIPFYING A VERY DYNAMIC AND MULTI-FACETED SITUATION WITH NUANCES (whoops I had caps locked) of elements all mixining into one royal pile of confusing shit. For me and some others here, it is easy to see the equally evil influences of the west and israel in all this mess. WWho is more evil here? The actor or the reactor? Chicken or the egg? "I'm the victim" "No, I'm the victim". Beanz there is no black and white and as much as I wish there were, there will never be black and white. BOTH sides thuink they are white, and that their opponenets are black. AD INFINITUM.
from week to week beanz, what do you think,! no mater what 2 wrongs don't make a right.
But the horrific inhuman acts have to stop, we agree on that the beheading of people is something
from the dark ages.
After the 2and World War, we had War crime trials, and many evil people were executed, and deservedly so, the World and society are a much safer place with out them.
Do you think the one's that have carried out theses acts, should pay the price and dealt with in
the same manner.?
I think Beanz is saying that when you go to lengths to explain and add reason to these acts (even if you also condemn them) you are in a sense justifying them. But there is no justification.
They behead or bury alive Iraqi citizens of different sects because of the West's foreign policy?
That does not explain these acts. That is not a sequence of events that even makes sense. They do this because they are beyond warped.
Saying the US aided the rise of ISIS is right. Not arguing there. But that is not what warped these people.
It certainly isn't black and white, and I not one for seeing things from a west-centric point of view generally, but I also don't buy into this 1+1 = 10000000000 stuff, ie Evil West + Normal Muslims = murderous butchering Muslims. No. These guys would be evil no matter what injustices they have perceived.
Some people need reminding that the West are not always the do gooder good guys, but equally others need to remember that Muslims are not always the innocent victims simply resisting oppression.
Yes mate good points the difference, but we can debate this subject with out the need to beheadQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
anybody, theses are barbaric acts, the things is just stop Iss killing them poor people.
We are well capable of doing that,! I feel you are not dealing with decent human beings, and they
do not respond to talking, they have only have one a gender that's murder, who happens to be in there way. I think standing by watching doing nothing is a crime itself, because there is a saying there for the grace of god go I , true that mate so what they are not cutting my head off, but it may
be tomorrow next week,! you never no.
Ryan it's a mad World mate, I am glad we are not all the same, and there are more good people
than evil one's, thank fuck.:(
It's all worthless conjecture anyway from a bunch of arseholes who aren't involved in the situations and have no idea what's going on over there.
Just watching the news, apparently there are 500 UK passport holders in Iss,! 500 more
places in prison I hope await them in the very lest.:mad:
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I don't see anybody apologising for ISIS. Alright Miles, but he gets his news from conspiracy websites so everything's a conspiracy. So yes, they're bad guys, and it's about as black and white as you ever get. It would be nice to apply this no apologies for evil standard to other actors who kill tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of people.
One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.
The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?
These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.
I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.
Again very good points, that's it but us lot can discus this, and at no point do we makeQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
threats to kill each other, the people that are doing theses things are not like us one bit.
They are murders of women and children, up close and personal you can't be right in the
head to do such things.
Sitting in a Apace helicopter 2 miles or so away, watching a video screen pressing a button wiping
out 30 plus people, it does dehumanise the act, until you see what you have done.!!!!
The wrongs of War the rights of War,!!!!!!!! were do you start were do you stop,!!!!! some people
make decisions, and they cost lives, some must do it with a heavy heart, and others don't give
a shit.
I have a simple saying on the rear of one of my Tee shirts and its straight out a dictionary.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
People on both sides are free to get offended by the dictionaries own definition, but mostly its US forces backers and people in uniform who do: Which is interesting and the whole point of the shirt.
TERRORISM:
(tera,rizam)n.
1. The act of terrorizing.
2. The systematic use of
violence and intimidation
to achieve some goal.
Not true. I read pedestrian UK media and super lame US media. But then add in sharper minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I don't see anybody apologising for ISIS. Alright Miles, but he gets his news from conspiracy websites so everything's a conspiracy. So yes, they're bad guys, and it's about as black and white as you ever get. It would be nice to apply this no apologies for evil standard to other actors who kill tens or hundreds of thousands or millions of people.
Like that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Is it a matter of how and by what means rather than if Isis militants need to die?
Surly...that has to happen. There is no middle ground that I can see. These fuckers need to take a dirt nap.
Trouble is in a way you get rid of a drug dealer, he is replaced by an other one you get rid IsisQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
some one will replace them.!!!
Never ending circle of murder and hate, but we need to get rid of theses bunch this moment
in time.
I read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingLike that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.
Actually, Alex Jones, The Guardian, The Independent, they all suck when it comes to Israel. Either no comments allowed or no comment as one is married to one. Very lame.
British media is shameful in this regard, but we can have false flags and lie about Isis?
That's okay. Makes you wonder who is pulling the strings.
Where did you get the idea that America created ISIS? Reagan arming jihadis in Afghanistan or conspiracy media?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingLike that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.
Mainly from Zero Hedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhere did you get the idea that America created ISIS? Reagan arming jihadis in Afghanistan or conspiracy media?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingLike that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.
Have you laughed at the English and American media recently? They are the conspiracy theorists these days. Borderline pathetic.
Ah. I read almost no financial pundits but occasionally some article in the financial media gets viral in the financial community and I read it. I can remember reading a zero hedge article in 2010 which stated as a fact that QE was going to create hyperinflation and a total collapse of the dollar and the financial system within one year. It also stated as fact that all the top Wall Street/banking figures were all making plans to abscond to the Dominican Republic and the Carribbean over the next twelve months before the system blew up. The breathless way it was written as well by somebody who claimed to be a financial insider just made it a good laugh and it got lots of circulation. But basically it's all bullshit mate, go through their archives and read what they were writing four or five years ago and I'm sure there'll be endless stuff like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfMainly from Zero Hedge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingWhere did you get the idea that America created ISIS? Reagan arming jihadis in Afghanistan or conspiracy media?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI read mainstream UK media, mainstream US media, then get alternatives from Russia Today, Zero Hedge, The Real News, Democracy Now, and for sure some Alex Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingLike that conspiracy nutter from the website you bought the pills from? I dip in and out of these threads but at some point you were planning to buy miracle pills from the website of that fucker who turns up to the Bilderberg gigs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
I splice it to come to my own conclusions be what they may. Generally the mainstream turns me completely off, but I force my way through it.
America didn't create ISIS. Saudi Arabia did and the Gulf States did. But mainly the House of Saud. And now they're wishing they hadn't.
Zero Hedge is good, but it is very Austrian economics centered and I guess libertarian too as an extension. If interest rates had been maintained, then we wouldn't be where we are now, but as soon as they do rise, then Zero Hedge will have been proven correct. We are living in historic times of financial/central bank manipulation and it is delaying the inevitable. The crash should have happened and put those interest rates up and see what happens. Instead they pussy out with non stop money printing handed over to the legalised mafia and fool everyone that there is a recovery. There is no such thing. The markets have never been allowed to correct. Once they do, then America vaporises.
America did fund ISIS along with several other nations of ill repute too. There is a lot of shame in that, but along with the Fed and it's missing gold, these crooks won't break a sweat. However, it is unwinding and as it implodes I hope people are ready. These guys are the enemy and I hope they are ready to pay their debts. Rise up the End the Fed movement!
The dollar is falling and I think people have had enough of this crazy US behavior. The inflation will come home and the overseas military will bankrupt the nation for good. Unless we live in Yellen land forever. Realistically, the system has played all its hands and Russia was the final grab. It has no chance as nobody trusts the Americans anymore. All they have is threats. Plus they are themselves imploding and the world cannot stand them.
And UK Column is my other favourite news broadcast. They are very good indeed for keeping me abreast of the UK.
Theses bastards have beheaded a American journalist, one that carried out the act had a English accent, lets find the CUNT and hang him.
This does seem to be the norm to theses shits, beheading people maybe we should take no prisoners, and eradicate them that are caught.
That would save us millions of pounds, in taking care of the bastards, remember treason if
I am correct still carry's the death penalty, do you want people like that running round in
your Country not one bit, if they new what awaited them on there return, do you think
they would be so egger to join Issa.
No, he shouldn't be hung. Who started this rubbish in the middle east? Who allowed odd Muslims into the UK? I always draw the line between the elite and the trash that throw themselves into madness. They are on the same side of the line. There are good Muslims, but there are really, really shitty British leaders. Would this Brit have been chopping off heads if the UK was not an insane breeding ground for insane war? Let them kill a million Brits and see how you feel! Many Brits would cut off heads.
I won't be happy until Tony Blair gets into the Hague. Along with the Queen who allowed Iraq. It will perhaps not happen along with the reluctance to increase interest rates, but nobody could doubt the point I am making. The West has never answered for its crimes and is instead complicit in supporting and creating new terror and it's a joke. These people are scum.
They are not going to get away with it. The monarchy is my own main hope. I want it to be destroyed within my lifetime. With what I know and is out there, Charles has no chance of surviving.
Read this.
Prince Philip: Is this the sickest man in the UK?
Charles can attempt to con the world, but he is clearly a dirty pervert. And potentially a murderer.
Miles if we don't act and stop theses people, they may start beheading us well mate they have doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
remember that poor solder, these people don't belong in our society lets exterminate them.
Issa are bad people they need to be brought to justice, we must bring back the death penalty for
theses people.
My point is, from central banks (cons) to Monarchy (cons) we are being lied to. We have to destroy central banks and the monarchy. When they are gone, we have society. We can move on.
No. Stop with ISIS. They will never do such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoMiles if we don't act and stop theses people, they may start beheading us well mate they have doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
remember that poor solder, these people don't belong in our society lets exterminate them.
Issa are bad people they need to be brought to justice, we must bring back the death penalty for
theses people.
We invented ISIS and it's a media routine. They are no threat.
Your government and monarchy are the threat. It isn't even my government, but those cunts are the enemy. ISIS is nothing.
This is like a Lyle post. This is all nonsense. Too much wrongness to even begin to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
People these days read media outlets that cater to things they already believe. In your case you know effectively nothing about money, the financial system and economics but you just know that the system is collapsing so you read outlets that tell you what you want to hear. Five and ten years from now you'll be telling me you just wait, anytime now and the financial system will collapse, the dollar will collapse, hyperinflation is just round the corner. It's all bollocks mate.