October 1996, in preparation for Tyson.
How perfect a sparring partner was Tua? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7TafdrRsY
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October 1996, in preparation for Tyson.
How perfect a sparring partner was Tua? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG7TafdrRsY
I read Evander was sparring with another Tysonesque type fighter and was getting battered early in his preparation. It was not Tua.
Yeah that was the younger, thinner tua who being coached by Duva and I think, Ronnie Shields. He was the right height weight and style. He didn't have as much head movement and didn't have the combo punching precision of D'Amato system but in 96, neither did Tyson (as much) anymore. Tua was on his way to being the next Tyson till he got derailed by coach/management problems (trusting the wrong people to manage his money) and probably a stray cheeseburger here and there.
Tua had tree trunk legs, no wonder he hit so hard.
I always thought Holyfield should have fought: Tua, Golota, Morrison, Rudduck, Briggs, and Bruno and I wonder how those fights would have gone.
Also against Wlad or Vitali around the time Evander fought Ruiz.
Holyfield was inconsistent at that time he could beat Bowe but lose to Moorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yeah which would make all those fights excitingQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolyfield was inconsistent at that time he could beat Bowe but lose to Moorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yes peak Holfield breaks down all of the above. Holyfield that lost to Moorer possibly loses to all of them except Bruno.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYeah which would make all those fights excitingQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHolyfield was inconsistent at that time he could beat Bowe but lose to Moorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I took the heavyweights of the 90's for granted and didn't appreciate them enough. That was, in my opinion, the second best heavyweight division in history, if not tied for first place with Ali/Foreman/Frazier...etc. Evander was my favorite of that bunch and he went out of his way to fight the toughest challengers and make the biggest fights. He was inconsistent at times, but no one had an easy time with him and when he was on he was one of the greatest fighters ever.
Good stuff! That was right in the middle of Tua's 1 year great run and near decapitation of fully durable Ruiz. Sometimes though I think that KO was the worst thing for Tua as he fell in love with his power and mystique.
Tua wasn't mimicking Tyson's style at all. But, Evander won both fights... so, it must have worked.
That was Gary Bell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Tua can not do a Tyson, but he could do an old Tyson with little head movement and single punches. That was what Holyfield was facing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
That wasn't even old Tyson... that was Tua being Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTua can not do a Tyson, but he could do an old Tyson with little head movement and single punches. That was what Holyfield was facing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Yes, which is exactly an old Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaThat wasn't even old Tyson... that was Tua being Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTua can not do a Tyson, but he could do an old Tyson with little head movement and single punches. That was what Holyfield was facing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Tyson never dragged his right foot... never had his left hand down to his waste... always had his hands up.... always came straight forward... never stood sideways.... used way more head movement at 40 than Tua did all of his career... Tyson never threw a hook without the right hand right after it....Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes, which is exactly an old Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaThat wasn't even old Tyson... that was Tua being Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTua can not do a Tyson, but he could do an old Tyson with little head movement and single punches. That was what Holyfield was facing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Other than that he is exactly like an old Tyson. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaTyson never dragged his right foot... never had his left hand down to his waste... always had his hands up.... always came straight forward... never stood sideways.... used way more head movement at 40 than Tua did all of his career... Tyson never threw a hook without the right hand right after it....Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes, which is exactly an old Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaThat wasn't even old Tyson... that was Tua being Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTua can not do a Tyson, but he could do an old Tyson with little head movement and single punches. That was what Holyfield was facing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
He kept hitting Holyfield with the right uppercut inside. Really no reason in the world for a good fighter to get hit with that, much less to keep getting hit with it.
lolol....Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOther than that he is exactly like an old Tyson. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaTyson never dragged his right foot... never had his left hand down to his waste... always had his hands up.... always came straight forward... never stood sideways.... used way more head movement at 40 than Tua did all of his career... Tyson never threw a hook without the right hand right after it....Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterYes, which is exactly an old Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaThat wasn't even old Tyson... that was Tua being Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTua can not do a Tyson, but he could do an old Tyson with little head movement and single punches. That was what Holyfield was facing at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09I was thinking the same thing about the sparring match. Tua fought like Tua.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I think he bought roughly the same dimensions and athleticism.
It was a poor version, I'll tell you that. lolol.... but I guess styles makes fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
I'll make an assumption that Tyson spars with a different intensity to most other fighters.
I remember when Tyson was training with Fenech for his last fight against McBride and for some reason Fenech got Shane Cameron over for sparring. Camerons trainer said as Tyson was waiting for the start of sparring to be called he was pacing up and down the ring like it was a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
I doubt Cameron got out without visiting the canvas.:cool: