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As it stands Issa have people in there ranks from this country and across Europe, if we catch
them what should be done with them.
The little group that are beheading people, do we put them in jail and pander to there needs,
or do we treat them as they have treated others.
I think this is a important issue, because we are going to catch some of THE FUCKERS sometime
are we not.?
That's something to think about. In St Paul, Minnesota, they have a large Somalian community, and, so far as is known, at least 5 members of that group, US citizens, are now fighting with ISIS. Nobody is saying anything about what is going to happen if/when they try to return to Minnesota.
Laws are in place for murder. There are laws in place if you have engaged in terrorist acts. Let due process deal with them, like any other potential criminal.
Islamic State want to goad people into an eye for an eye philosophy. They want to engage you in religious war. Do not rise to the bait, do not let their standards become ours.
We have laws in place correct, but are theses laws a deterrent to stop people doing this
type of thing, over here I would say no there is a place for the death penalty to be reinstated
for this bunch.!!
To be Frank 70 years back people like this, were tried for War crimes, and executed this bunch
are no different , and why should they be treated any different ,! and why should they be locked up
and given special privileges, a rope does not cost much people have gone soft.
Remember a rabid dog is shot for the safety of the public, and keeping this lot alive will be a
bad move, given the chance they would still KILL you me who Knows.
That is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Throughout history, if you fought for the enemy, you were guilty of treason and hung. I'm not saying hang them, but is not what they are doing Treason
Treason is no longer a hanging offence. And anyway we are not at war. Although I do not agree with IS, in the past British citizens have gone to war in other countries for ideological reasons, without sanctions being placed on them when they return.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
What's UKIP or the BNP got to do with it,! theses people are committing treason, why on earthQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
should they not answer for there crimes, better still they maybe killed in action I am always surprised by people, don't say this don't do that,! just how I wonder if a member of there family was going to
be beheaded by some CUNT. I have a good idea you seem to be blinded by the law, but the people
that we are dealing with do not abide by laws.
The Geneva Confession and treating prisoners of War, executing beheading remember all LAWS mean nothing to them, you could wave your law books till the cows come home.
We could say sometimes we are too stupid and far to soft with theses people, to be honest we are
a laughing stock in this country, we have people preaching hatred and it takes years to get rid of them, and we take them in and what price we are paying for it now.;)
No we are an incredibly powerful country, and that is in large part because of law. If we are to live in a capitalist society, a secure stable environment is a huge advantage, and we have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat's UKIP or the BNP got to do with it,! theses people are committing treason, why on earthQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
should they not answer for there crimes, better still they maybe killed in action I am always surprised by people, don't say this don't do that,! just how I wonder if a member of there family was going to
be beheaded by some CUNT. I have a good idea you seem to be blinded by the law, but the people
that we are dealing with do not abide by laws.
The Geneva Confession and treating prisoners of War, executing beheading remember all LAWS mean nothing to them, you could wave your law books till the cows come home.
We could say sometimes we are too stupid and far to soft with theses people, to be honest we are
a laughing stock in this country, we have people preaching hatred and it takes years to get rid of them, and we take them in and what price we are paying for it now.;)
A very small minority of Muslims in this Country (.02% at the most), have choose to go to Syria/Iraq and fight. If these people are shown to have committed criminal acts, due process can be used if they return.
What IS has done is a terrible act of propaganda. They lack the legitimacy to rule, so have to use fear to get their message across. By not rising to their grotesque actions, and continuing to live in a society without the fear of State execution as well as showing compassion to the families affected by these horrific acts, we are doing our small bit to defeat them.
Yes a very small minority but the majority don't seem to condone, there acts if we live in a societyQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidNo we are an incredibly powerful country, and that is in large part because of law. If we are to live in a capitalist society, a secure stable environment is a huge advantage, and we have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat's UKIP or the BNP got to do with it,! theses people are committing treason, why on earthQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
should they not answer for there crimes, better still they maybe killed in action I am always surprised by people, don't say this don't do that,! just how I wonder if a member of there family was going to
be beheaded by some CUNT. I have a good idea you seem to be blinded by the law, but the people
that we are dealing with do not abide by laws.
The Geneva Confession and treating prisoners of War, executing beheading remember all LAWS mean nothing to them, you could wave your law books till the cows come home.
We could say sometimes we are too stupid and far to soft with theses people, to be honest we are
a laughing stock in this country, we have people preaching hatred and it takes years to get rid of them, and we take them in and what price we are paying for it now.;)
A very small minority of Muslims in this Country (.02% at the most), have choose to go to Syria/Iraq and fight. If these people are shown to have committed criminal acts, due process can be used if they return.
What IS has done is a terrible act of propaganda. They lack the legitimacy to rule, so have to use fear to get their message across. By not rising to their grotesque actions, and continuing to live in a society without the fear of State execution as well as showing compassion to the families affected by these horrific acts, we are doing our small bit to defeat them.
that shows tolerance, and we receive none back remember people can only show so much tolerance, and maybe people are getting sick of treading softly, it could be time to carry a big stick.
When you fight Issa you exterminate them simple, War my friend is not cricket it's bloody and grotesque, the taking of a life in War is a grotesque act.
But we have no place in this Country for Fundamentalism, why do we except it theses people
ARE WAR CRIMINALS, they are not citizens any Country would wish to call there own.
ISIS is quite developed and strong. They make billions on black market oil, have governmental support, safe haven, a place to train and recruit which is exactly what happened in Afganistan prior to 9/11
Don't make Obama's mistake of thinking they are a junior varsity team. I don't speak because I am an American and I'm afraid of a bigger 9/11 which is what ISIS says there plans for the US are but look what the Taliban, who have the same ideology. Did to their own country. This shit gotta stop. The US spends 44 percent of the world's military budget. Often I think it's a waste but with fuckers like these people alive it makes me think we aren't so stupid as we have always been willing to help out friends in distress even though we get spoken so much shit about. Canada doesn't even bother with a Military, why should they, we are there neighbors. They don't need to worry other than protesting what we do as they are safe due to proximity. I appreciate all religions, I don't care what Islam did 1000 years ago I care what is going on today. If you want to preach your religion and try to convert others fine, it's freedom of speech and expression, but if these people face death for not doing so you don't have a Religion you have evil. Again, I'm talking about today. Where are these moderate Islamists speaking out against this stuff. When I see born again Christians harrasing people around here I always step in, I don't think you should harass people to convert let alone kill them. We are fighting a wide spread very accepted ideology all over the world. I hope I'm wrong but I think at some point a big portion of the world is going to be glad the US has spent almost fifty percent of the world's defense money within our borders. These cocksuckers aren't going to be sitting at the peace table anytime soon.
We should all chip in and buy miles a one way ticket to ISIS-land....the rest will sort itself out
I think we've gone well beyond being expected to treat these individuals as a matter of law and judges, and just the thought of that in and of itself is both terrifying in a 'free Nation' as it is a hardened realism. These are savages looking to die more spectacularly than the guy they are sitting next too and to be honest the last place we need one is sitting in a prison system with numbers of individuals who are convinced they are being screwed over and might have little to live for as it is. We have shifted dramatically post 9/11 and have seen the direct effects and inefficiency on the Governments part in regards to civil liberties, laws implemented from the front lawn of the White House over 4 terms but I cannot believe there is a thinking man alive that truly believes that any man who non flinchingly saws the head off of a breathing man or woman and executes prisoners can be reasoned with, or should be. They want to die in spectacular fashion... I say we help them, quick fast and in a hurry. It wouldn't surprise me and I look forward to the next time this executioner steps in front of the camera that his own head disappears into a cloud of red mist. There is no sitting on the fence and talking it out with these. We no longer have that luxury.
As Brit Kid has said if they come back here then they should be arrested and charged. Making martyrs of these idiots will make the situation worse.
Well we are debating this subject, and guess what I never felt like beheading anyone , to
get a point across, we must all remember we may disagree.
But I am sure we can agree ON ONE THING, we can not allow theses people to return back
to there country's , they have to answer for there crimes.
I would want them to return, so they can answer for their potential crimes. And if it is shown to be 'war crimes', they can always be sent to The Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
A solution could be if the will is there, to throw money at the civilians. If you are a local shop keeper for instance, and your business is going down the toilet because of the war, and IS are offering you $600 a month to fight for them, or else they could slaughter you and your family, what are you going to do?
But what if the Developed world offered you an opportunity to rebuild your shop and your village by paying your overheads and giving you a wage? At first we win over a village, then a town, then a region.
Yes it would not be easy and you would need military support, but if a plan, with clear objectives could be agreed by the UN, I would support my Countries troops entering IS territory.
They are here and as savvy recruiters who slaughter platoons of soldiers. The last thing we need are vocal already worshipped leaders festering on a domestic front in a legal system that moves at a snails pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
All theses fact are interesting, but the home grown be headers went there willingly and they areQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI would want them to return, so they can answer for their potential crimes. And if it is shown to be 'war crimes', they can always be sent to The Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
A solution could be if the will is there, to throw money at the civilians. If you are a local shop keeper for instance, and your business is going down the toilet because of the war, and IS are offering you $600 a month to fight for them, or else they could slaughter you and your family, what are you going to do?
But what if the Developed world offered you an opportunity to rebuild your shop and your village by paying your overheads and giving you a wage? At first we win over a village, then a town, then a region.
Yes it would not be easy and you would need military support, but if a plan, with clear objectives could be agreed by the UN, I would support my Countries troops entering IS territory.
War criminals because they are fighting a WAR, so should be treated as such.
Yes we are dealing with a different culture , were money is everything and they have very little morels because money is there God.
But there again it's easy to make excuse's for theses people, turn your back and they would slit your
throat.
Fuck giving them money because it is only a bribe, and I don't believe in giving money to people to be your friend,! theses people are hard line Fundamentalists remember to them we are infidels.
You and I no what they think of us.!
We need to bring back the treason law and the death penilty for treason . Anyone who supports these peasants should all be removed from our English civilised society .
I will put my name forward as hangman ,and I will do it for free.
We cannot have people preaching hate on the one hand and then living amongst the very people they are targeting with the hatred.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoAll theses fact are interesting, but the home grown be headers went there willingly and they areQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidI would want them to return, so they can answer for their potential crimes. And if it is shown to be 'war crimes', they can always be sent to The Hague.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
A solution could be if the will is there, to throw money at the civilians. If you are a local shop keeper for instance, and your business is going down the toilet because of the war, and IS are offering you $600 a month to fight for them, or else they could slaughter you and your family, what are you going to do?
But what if the Developed world offered you an opportunity to rebuild your shop and your village by paying your overheads and giving you a wage? At first we win over a village, then a town, then a region.
Yes it would not be easy and you would need military support, but if a plan, with clear objectives could be agreed by the UN, I would support my Countries troops entering IS territory.
War criminals because they are fighting a WAR, so should be treated as such.
Yes we are dealing with a different culture , were money is everything and they have very little morels because money is there God.
But there again it's easy to make excuse's for theses people, turn your back and they would slit your
throat.
Fuck giving them money because it is only a bribe, and I don't believe in giving money to people to be your friend,! theses people are hard line Fundamentalists remember to them we are infidels.
You and I no what they think of us.!
I think even calling them war criminals is being a bit kind.
Personally I'd like them all killed in 'battle'. . But if they try to return here then we need to follow due process. That's why we are better than them.
You can't even call what IS are engaged in 'war'. They are murderers plain and simple.
We can't change our laws just to have them killed though if they came back. Much as I'd like them to all be dead we don't want the UK to be ruled by the law of the jungle do we?
You're right Al. They no way can live among us. But as law takes a while to pass, what would you do if you were the government now? If say 5 British Muslims that have been fighting for IS turn up back at Heathrow tomorrow? Considering the re introduction of hanging can't just happen there and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It's a really tricky one. Personally I'd have very quick trials and life imprisonment. But on the quiet if I were the government I'd consider having them killed.
It is pointless to give them life imprisonment they can't be rehabilitated , they hate all none believers . So they must be delt with as committing treason against the crown and country. Get everyone on the same page and let's bring back the death penilty for treason only.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYou're right Al. They no way can live among us. But as law takes a while to pass, what would you do if you were the government now? If say 5 British Muslims that have been fighting for IS turn up back at Heathrow tomorrow? Considering the re introduction of hanging can't just happen there and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
It's a really tricky one. Personally I'd have very quick trials and life imprisonment. But on the quiet if I were the government I'd consider having them killed.
I couldn't give a fuck if they caught them and tortured them all to death but killing them back here wouldn't act as a deterrent, it would inspire more homegrown lunatics that do gods work therefore are promised paradise in the after life.
This isn't a short term fix , they will continue to fight their cause ,so we deal with them until the threat is over , we have to start to take a hard line approach as it is the only way we can start to deal with these ignorant religious peasants. They people would still be using catapults if the west haven't sold arms to them , what a wise move that was huh ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yeah,lets melt em down or whatever the fuck Richie does when he's at work. Pushed out of a helicopter over an open topped lava mountain would be cheaper.
This problem is not just ours, when this bunch come home I totally agree with Al , who in
there right mind wants them back.
What will theses Fundamentalists have in store for us I wonder,! there is no meds to cure
them they are beyond reason.
All this shit about being a Martyr, so what sitting there with your thumb up your ass is no
good what so ever, everybody can see what they do to people.
But one of our own as we debate this maybe beheaded by some, that are so called citizens
of this Country as well, truly appalling they are not fit to live in this Country.
We must act the death penalty, may not be a deterrent by your sure get rid of them and
we are better off without theses people.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
They will come back we have to except it, but shall we say 300 plus or what ever turn up, weQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
have to lock them up, I agree the death penalty is no deterrent but , theses are very dangerous
people, and sometimes we should look to forget about a kid glove approach which we are doing.
Ryan what the hell are we going to do with them, with any luck there will suffer a nasty horrible
death out in the middle East.
May I ask do you think we should put up with Fundamentalists, which we have done and now we
are paying the price.
Nobody in there right mind want's theses people back, but they will return then the fun starts
it's amazing how quick the government can change or bring in new laws, when it suits.
But alas they will be treated nicely and given there dignity, and privileges no hard labour for this
bunch, there only suffering will be locked up 3 meals a day a nice warm bed.:(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThey will come back we have to except it, but shall we say 300 plus or what ever turn up, weQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
have to lock them up, I agree the death penalty is no deterrent but , theses are very dangerous
people, and sometimes we should look to forget about a kid glove approach which we are doing.
Ryan what the hell are we going to do with them, with any luck there will suffer a nasty horrible
death out in the middle East.
May I ask do you think we should put up with Fundamentalists, which we have done and now we
are paying the price.
Nobody in there right mind want's theses people back, but they will return then the fun starts
it's amazing how quick the government can change or bring in new laws, when it suits.
But alas they will be treated nicely and given there dignity, and privileges no hard labour for this
bunch, there only suffering will be locked up 3 meals a day a nice warm bed.:(
Honestly I'd like them to die.
What we are going to do with any that return is a very difficult question and honestly I don't have the answer to it.
No I don't think we should put up with Fundamentalists. Even those that have not left this country but preach hate here. I'm all for free speech but if you live in the UK and you incite hatred and call for the murder of Britons you can fuck off to prison as far as I'm concerned.
as for those returning from Syria or Iraq prison may well be too good for them but I don't know what else we can do. Unless we use their tactics and ignore the rule of law. But that is a very dangerous path to take too. Either way this is a major problem but for once I don't profess to have an answer!
Ideally they will all be killed out there.
And that's Mr Liberal Lefty saying that. Never wished death on anyone but I'll make an exception for these guys.
I never wish people dead, but seeing those people beheaded by that scum has changed my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoThey will come back we have to except it, but shall we say 300 plus or what ever turn up, weQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Obviously no one wants them back here living freely in the UK.
As usual it isn't a case of either you want to reintroduce the death penalty on the spot or you want them living here freely.
I'd like these fuckers better dead. But that isn't the same as saying I want the death penalty reintroduced on the spot to kill them (although I totally understand that impulse).
Just because someone says we can't just kill them because we live by the rule of law (which is a good thing and why we are not savages like they are) doesn't mean they want them living here.
Edit* Who is saying they want them back Rich? I don't see anyone saying that.
have to lock them up, I agree the death penalty is no deterrent but , theses are very dangerous
people, and sometimes we should look to forget about a kid glove approach which we are doing.
Ryan what the hell are we going to do with them, with any luck there will suffer a nasty horrible
death out in the middle East.
May I ask do you think we should put up with Fundamentalists, which we have done and now we
are paying the price.
Nobody in there right mind want's theses people back, but they will return then the fun starts
it's amazing how quick the government can change or bring in new laws, when it suits.
But alas they will be treated nicely and given there dignity, and privileges no hard labour for this
bunch, there only suffering will be locked up 3 meals a day a nice warm bed.:(
Honestly I'd like them to die.
What we are going to do with any that return is a very difficult question and honestly I don't have the answer to it.
No I don't think we should put up with Fundamentalists. Even those that have not left this country but preach hate here. I'm all for free speech but if you live in the UK and you incite hatred and call for the murder of Britons you can fuck off to prison as far as I'm concerned.
as for those returning from Syria or Iraq prison may well be too good for them but I don't know what else we can do. Unless we use their tactics and ignore the rule of law. But that is a very dangerous path to take too. Either way this is a major problem but for one I don't profess to have an answer!
Ideally they will all be killed out there.
And that's Mr Liberal Lefty saying that. Never wished death on anyone but I'll make an exception for these guys.
Well if they are true to their cause, they will try and steer the plane into the top of Heathrow or the palace. Need them in shackles on the plane trip and guards on the plane when they return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
By the way ,I was thinking aloud in the voice of this guy in the post above :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojdh20fYd4o
About a couple of centuries or so ago, most of us would of been peasants. So your plan is to deal with 'State' butchering, by bringing in 'State' executions for the peasants?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThis isn't a short term fix , they will continue to fight their cause ,so we deal with them until the threat is over , we have to start to take a hard line approach as it is the only way we can start to deal with these ignorant religious peasants. They people would still be using catapults if the west haven't sold arms to them , what a wise move that was huh ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
What happens when it is found out your family originated from the peasantry? As you stated a state execution is the only answer, because being a 'peasant' cannot be cured...
The Daily Mirror has a interesting article about this subject, two people have very interesting
points, one for letting them return, the other not for them to return.!!!!
Yes you can be young and Idealistic, but you must remember the repulsive acts of barbarity
carried out by Issa , and not all have been involved but some have.
The group that have been Beheading, people for all to see are by all accounts form the UK, we
can not ever allow them back into Society.
We have LAWS and most people are law abiding, but we are dealing with barbarity some times
you have to look at the way we treat, Scum bags maybe a Civilised Society can't no longer
deal with theses people.
Maybe a place like Devils Island, no contact with the outside World, life will mean life hard labour,
no nicety's if they wish they could end it by being executed.
I think you put them on trial if they have committed a crime and that's all there is to it. Didn't Owell go and fight in the Spanish civil war, should we have just shot him? Absolutely not. If there is a cause you believe in then you go for it, but if you commit heinous crimes then do expect some trouble. I've heard it mentioned by hypocritical old goats that these Isis should be sent to the Hague. Sorry old goat, but there is a list and it starts with Blair and Bush. Put those two away and many will put down their guns.
Miles your back, right mate we have no room in THIS COUNTRY for fundamentalists, we must lookQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
at theses people as a danger to our very own Society. The views are extreme and you no if you
don't agree with there outlook, well we can see what theses people are capable of.
Miles Isis are fighting a WAR mate so they should be war crimes they answer for,! how would you
feel a guy down the road, comes home like fuck all has happened and he has carried out atrocity's.
Remember Blair and Bush are history, today and tomorrow that counts mate I don't want terrorists
or fundamentalists living in our society , Jail Blair or Bush the fighting will not stop, you can blame
who you like, but in reality THE ONE'S DOING THE KILLING ARE TO BLAME,!!!!!!! we are dealing
with a narrow minded bunch of savages.;)
They are history, but if we are to be just we have to go to the roots and clean up our mess. I am all for putting Isis in the Hague if we also go to the roots and the elite themselves too. If we don't put Blair in the dock for a million dead, then how dare we get angry about Isis? I think they are both awful and should be dealt with accordingly. We have the law and it should be applied to Isis, Israel, America, everybody. It has me in stitches when British or American politicians moan about Russia and supplying arms. Are these people serious? :D
There is no doubt that a lot of people are needlessly dead, but these two beheadings don't even seem genuine. The Foley one is particularly bad and the entire family appear to be crisis actors also used at previous false flags such as Sandy Hook and Boston. My solution is simple. Close the border and stop invading countries. Then if people actually do something bad then do something about it. Instead we have police trolling Twitter to arrest angry people or knocking down the doors of honest bloggers and the borders are open to anyone AND terror attacks are usually set up by our elite!
Isis aren't really the problem. Our elite funded and created them (along with others), it always leads back to the same sources. And to rub it in Tony Blair is the philanthropist of the year! What! :-X
Edit: Obviously Isis is a problem. My point is that if we didn't create them then they couldn't be a problem. They didn't appear out of thin air.
Miles the middle East has always been a region, of instability, before Blair or Bush were in powerQuote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
this has been going on for years mate, this is nothing new.!!!
There are many different factions, all out for there own ends the different cultures and religions,
to be honest I would be surprised if peace is ever found, in the middle east because to have peace
to have to give and take, and people have to be willing to do so.
On the whole Iraq was a better (though less than perfect) place under Saddam. It is our fault that we destroyed that relative quietude. The same in Libya too. No paradise, but look at the horror that now is. We did all that and until we hold our elite responsible, then we deserve what we get. Blair was our leader, Bush was America's leader. It is the people who should be demanding justice. If we want a safe Britain then we need these people behind bars to show we are serious. We are not serious in the slightest and our foreign policy is thus nonsensical.
I got a Friend who is Syrian, he said they wanted democracy so they fight for it, they
took two relatives husband and wife out of there house and executed them.
What price democracy mate a heavy one,! yes Iraq and Libya had stability but they
were dictatorships and far from perfect, they did murder many innocent people.
Remember Miles we may disagree what our government do and say so, but we are not taken out in the street and executed, we are extremely lucky mate but what we take for granted , WAS hard
earned, people were killed for our rights in the past.
Different times but very much what people fight for freedom, but I fancy theses people do not
want Fundamentalism, and this is a form of dictatorship, so it out of the frying pan into the fire.