only way to beat Mayweather is by KO, anyone think different?

Is there anyone who thinks another fighter can get a decision against floyd in Vegas? Let's face it, everyone kisses his ass, judges, venues, refs( how many elbows has floyd got away with?).

I definitely think that , yes, the only way to beat Floyd is by KO. and what track star can catch that elusive runner?? lol. I'm just sick of this whole BS. The greats went and fought in other places.
Manilla, Africa, England, Pacman is fighting in china! But not floyd, why would you leave the safety of a place that wont let you lose?

Cmon Marcos, do what the boxing world needs! Change.

I do give floyd props for taking this fight though. I never thought he would.

Agreed, Floyd gets a lot of leeway. A KO or several knock downs would be the surest way to win. Anything close goes to Floyd.

Who got away with more in the first fight?
Who fought dirty?

I don't know, but I do know that he's coming off of two MD's (one which he dominated) and Oscar nearly got the nod years back in Vegas (even though IMO Floyd won that fight hands down).

I can see it both ways. Vegas makes a ton of money off of Floyd's fights so it's in their best interest for him to keep winning. But if you wanted to fix a fight, there's a lot of money to be made betting on Floyd to get upset and fixing the fight that way too.

I'm not going to pretend I know what goes on behind closed doors out there.

To me though, the only questionable decision Floyd was ever the beneficiary of was Castillo 1, which I scored 6-6 but could easily see it going 7-5 either way.

I think Floyd won the DLH fight clearly, as he did in Maidana 1 (although by a much slimmer margin).

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Is there anyone who thinks another fighter can get a decision against floyd in Vegas? Let's face it, everyone kisses his ass, judges, venues, refs( how many elbows has floyd got away with?).

I definitely think that , yes, the only way to beat Floyd is by KO. and what track star can catch that elusive runner?? lol. I'm just sick of this whole BS. The greats went and fought in other places.
Manilla, Africa, England, Pacman is fighting in china! But not floyd, why would you leave the safety of a place that wont let you lose?

Cmon Marcos, do what the boxing world needs! Change.

I do give floyd props for taking this fight though. I never thought he would.

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More like why would he leave a place where he makes tons of money? because he's not an idiot. Well he is an idiot but not when it comes to making money.

The judges kiss his ass?? How did you come to that conclusion?
His fights have'nt been close for the judges to favour him, apart from the first Castillo fight. Other than that the decisions in the De la Hoya,Canelo and Maidana fights should all have been comfortable UDs for Floyd.

We can sit here and pick apart every single fighter's record throughout the history of boxing and we will find plenty of things wrong with them.


Going back to your original question, yes I do think the only way to beat Floyd would be by KO or several KDs because you can't out box him to get a decision.

I don't buy that the judges treat him any differently either, you aren't seeing really bad scores in his favour for the most part. Need to go back to the first Castillo fight for that, or maybe one or two others, I think the Cotto fight one judge had a near shutout if I remember.
If Maidana actually pulls this off, it's almost certainly going to be by decision and I don't see why he'd get shafted. One judge had the first fight dead even which is actually very generous to Maidana, not to mention the Alvarez fight etc.

I think the MD's are to rip off the people who bet on Floyd by UD. It lessens the payout.

There have been a lot of questionable MD and SD's lately.

The All Time Greats fought everybody and anybody, anytime, anywhere, didnt REQUEST/DEMAND THAT THEIR OPPONENTS TAKE CERTAIN BLOOD TESTS/WEAR CERTIN GLOVES/WRAP THEIR HANDS 3 TIMES A CERTAIN WAY. ETC...

this Fckloyd Mooj-weather is NOT, WAS NOT, and NEVER WILL BE an All Time Great.

Pryor, Leonard, Hearns, Duran, would all kick the SHIZZLE-SCHEISSE out of this pansy nancy pussy

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Agreed, Floyd gets a lot of leeway. A KO or several knock downs would be the surest way to win. Anything close goes to Floyd.

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Agreed I think 2 knockdowns would suffice, granted Marcos could win a good 6 rounds on top of the knockdowns.

Look at the Alvarez fight he won ever round and 1 judge tryed to fuck him over. I think if floyd has a very close fight from now till he retires he will not get any favours whatsoever from the judges.

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Look at the Alvarez fight he won ever round and 1 judge tryed to fuck him over. I think if floyd has a very close fight from now till he retires he will not get any favours whatsoever from the judges.

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Canelo is just a tad more of a cash cow than Maidana.

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Look at the Alvarez fight he won ever round and 1 judge tryed to fuck him over. I think if floyd has a very close fight from now till he retires he will not get any favours whatsoever from the judges.

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Well... with Alvarez all bets are off.
Mayweather ceases to be the judges favorite, and all kinds of crazy hell breaks loose.


Vegas and the networks may favor Floyd as he continues to build on his undefeated record. But that is quite different from the outright robberies and shenanigans that come into play when Canelo comes to town. Think Chavez Jr. in Texas.

I figured out how to beat Floyd. I will root for him tonight. Usually when I root for a boxer it is the kiss of death. As much as I dislike Floyd I am willing to do this for my saddoites or soddomites. So place your bets and remember this sacrifice I have done for. I will accept a small percentage, say fifteen percent as I am sure you want to express your gratitude towards both me and my home country of America.

here is the Fjckloyd-Moojweather jinx:

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ass-cigar

You need a jab to beat Floyd and a world class one and you need to be able to keep it steady for 12 rounds and not let him take it away from you with right hands. Oscar had the best success and showed that dramatically over the first half of the fight but he couldn't stay with it.

I don't like Floyd grunt grunt

I do like Floyd grunt grunt

How many throw away threads are enough ? Floyd has no history of getting the benefit of the doubt from judges. He's had one fight in his entire career that an argument can be made reasonably that he lost. He's had many many more bad scores against him.

I get people don 't like him but let's not brockton this crap, let's use facts .

(BTW props to IamInuit for discussing boxing here)

lol. unreal. holding, running, clinching, elbowing, crying about a bite that never happened, and the shitty ref breaking up the fighters when ever maidana starts landing. UNREAL!!!!! the card shoulda been billed, mayweather/bayless VS Maidana! fucking bullshit.

Maidana is likable and exciting to watch. But he's a brawler. He punches in odd angles, with hardly a straight right or left among them. His right hands travel vertically down, as if to rabbit punch the opponent. Other than rush Floyd and fluster him with all the wild swinging, it takes a bit more boxing prowess to beat Floyd. An aggressive boxer/puncher might well beat Floyd at this point in his career. But it certainly wasn't going to be Maidana.

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Is there anyone who thinks another fighter can get a decision against floyd in Vegas? Let's face it, everyone kisses his ass, judges, venues, refs( how many elbows has floyd got away with?).

I definitely think that , yes, the only way to beat Floyd is by KO. and what track star can catch that elusive runner?? lol. I'm just sick of this whole BS. The greats went and fought in other places.
Manilla, Africa, England, Pacman is fighting in china! But not floyd, why would you leave the safety of a place that wont let you lose?

Cmon Marcos, do what the boxing world needs! Change.

I do give floyd props for taking this fight though. I never thought he would.

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I count 9 excuses in this post. Am I missing any? Can anyone find a 10th?

I guess i'm the only one who thinks what we saw tonight was horseshit. thats cool tho. u floyd nuthuggers can have yer idol. im done with his dirty, sleazy trickster tactics. all the money floyd makes and he gives his fans a 12th rd like that??? running? did u not hear the boo's? u people really think THAT wins fights? ha ha.... floyd almost had to be carried back to the dressing room.

yes, maidana blew it. but what fighter wouldnt get frustrated by your target running like that the whole fight, or a REF who wont let you work inside, when that is your style??? whatever.

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I guess i'm the only one who thinks what we saw tonight was horseshit. thats cool tho. u floyd nuthuggers can have yer idol. im done with his dirty, sleazy trickster tactics. all the money floyd makes and he gives his fans a 12th rd like that??? running? did u not hear the boo's? u people really think THAT wins fights? ha ha.... floyd almost had to be carried back to the dressing room.

yes, maidana blew it. but what fighter wouldnt get frustrated by your target running like that the whole fight, or a REF who wont let you work inside, when that is your style??? whatever.

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Floyd DOMINATED Maidana. Go cry to your mommy.

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I guess i'm the only one who thinks what we saw tonight was horseshit. thats cool tho. u floyd nuthuggers can have yer idol. im done with his dirty, sleazy trickster tactics. all the money floyd makes and he gives his fans a 12th rd like that??? running? did u not hear the boo's? u people really think THAT wins fights? ha ha.... floyd almost had to be carried back to the dressing room.

yes, maidana blew it. but what fighter wouldnt get frustrated by your target running like that the whole fight, or a REF who wont let you work inside, when that is your style??? whatever.

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It was a shit fight.


Maidana was clearly NOT as up for the fight, hungry or motivated.


However, let's review:


Floyd got HIS gloves.


Floyd got a HUGE ring.


Floyd got HIS ref.


I normally like Bayless a lot. Best ref out there imo, but tonight...fuck me. Breaking every single time, plus the point deduction and the "I don't know what he did but next time its a DQ"

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I guess i'm the only one who thinks what we saw tonight was horseshit. thats cool tho. u floyd nuthuggers can have yer idol. im done with his dirty, sleazy trickster tactics. all the money floyd makes and he gives his fans a 12th rd like that??? running? did u not hear the boo's? u people really think THAT wins fights? ha ha.... floyd almost had to be carried back to the dressing room.

yes, maidana blew it. but what fighter wouldnt get frustrated by your target running like that the whole fight, or a REF who wont let you work inside, when that is your style??? whatever.

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It was a shit fight.


Maidana was clearly NOT as up for the fight, hungry or motivated.


However, let's review:


Floyd got HIS gloves.


Floyd got a HUGE ring.


Floyd got HIS ref.


I normally like Bayless a lot. Best ref out there imo, but tonight...fuck me. Breaking every single time, plus the point deduction and the "I don't know what he did but next time its a DQ"

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Of course Floyd called all the shots. He's the undefeated Champion who has dominated for 18 years. Maidana is a B level fighter who should be happy to be getting his biggest payday for the second fight in 4 months. Maidana showed tonight why he will never be great. He didn't even try until the 9th round. A pretty pathetic effort on his part. Floyd fought exactly how we expected him to. It was Maidana who let us down tonight.

It is difficult to knock out Floyd when he can tell you what gloves you can wear, who will be the ref and your fighting in his house.

You need to be a prime Hearns to stand a chance.

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It is difficult to knock out Floyd when he can tell you what gloves you can wear, who will be the ref and your fighting in his house.

You need to be a prime Hearns to stand a chance.

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Yep.

Too bad Maidana has knockdown power at 147 not knockout power.

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Is there anyone who thinks another fighter can get a decision against floyd in Vegas? Let's face it, everyone kisses his ass, judges, venues, refs( how many elbows has floyd got away with?).

I definitely think that , yes, the only way to beat Floyd is by KO. and what track star can catch that elusive runner?? lol. I'm just sick of this whole BS. The greats went and fought in other places.
Manilla, Africa, England, Pacman is fighting in china! But not floyd, why would you leave the safety of a place that wont let you lose?

Cmon Marcos, do what the boxing world needs! Change.

I do give floyd props for taking this fight though. I never thought he would.

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Name me one fight that Floyd has lost hands down ?

People talk about Castillo 1 but to me they only talk about this because it was so unusual to see anyone get close to Mayweather. So people often over estimate just how close Castillo got.

If anything, I'd say it's the opposite, Floyd has to win clearly to get the nod.

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It is difficult to knock out Floyd when he can tell you what gloves you can wear, who will be the ref and your fighting in his house.

You need to be a prime Hearns to stand a chance.

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Maidana was wearing the custom flat Everlasts. He got beat and much worse then the first time and the point deduction and bite gate made no difference whatsoever.

It was an ugly fight but Maidana is the one that initiated all the horse shit and lets face it that's the only chance he had of winning. An ugly fight.

Some people want Floyd to lose so bad that they simply make shit up or like Jim Lampley see things during fight time that are not there and calling punches that were not even thrown. Ugly ass fight that Floyd still won 8 rounds to 4 at worst.

One thing I will say on Floyd is that he's lost something and I had been saying that through the entire buildup and it seemed more mental to me then physical which in my view can effect the physical. He seemed to get his mojo back at the weigh in and looked like a man on a mission at fight time but I think that was fronted. I think he has some real issues upstairs and its mixing with his hubris.

He might want to think about getting an outside trainer. His old man never gave him one coherent message in the corner last night or one bit of actual in fight boxing advice unless you include "we got this"

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It is difficult to knock out Floyd when he can tell you what gloves you can wear, who will be the ref and your fighting in his house.

You need to be a prime Hearns to stand a chance.

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Maidana was wearing the custom flat Everlasts. He got beat and much worse then the first time and the point deduction and bite gate made no difference whatsoever.

It was an ugly fight but Maidana is the one that initiated all the horse shit and lets face it that's the only chance he had of winning. An ugly fight.

Some people want Floyd to lose so bad that they simply make shit up or like Jim Lampley see things during fight time that are not there and calling punches that were not even thrown. Ugly ass fight that Floyd still won 8 rounds to 4 at worst.

One thing I will say on Floyd is that he's lost something and I had been saying that through the entire buildup and it seemed more mental to me then physical which in my view can effect the physical. He seemed to get his mojo back at the weigh in and looked like a man on a mission at fight time but I think that was fronted. I think he has some real issues upstairs and its mixing with his hubris.

He might want to think about getting an outside trainer. His old man never gave him one coherent message in the corner last night or one bit of actual in fight boxing advice unless you include "we got this"

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Floyd is thinking of retirement and has one foot outside the ring. He does not like the pain and hurt but likes to pick up the big cheque. Floyd will not knock out anyone again.

Andrade would give Floyd hell.

He's a tall, rangy, fast southpaw who can box and has a good jab.

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Andrade would give Floyd hell.

He's a tall, rangy, fast southpaw who can box and has a good jab.

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You keep saying that but has he shown he can do it at the top level?

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Andrade would give Floyd hell.

He's a tall, rangy, fast southpaw who can box and has a good jab.

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You keep saying that but has he shown he can do it at the top level?

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I'm saying he has the tools to give Floyd a tough fight.

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Andrade would give Floyd hell.

He's a tall, rangy, fast southpaw who can box and has a good jab.

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You keep saying that but has he shown he can do it at the top level?

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I'm saying he has the tools to give Floyd a tough fight.

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We need someone who can beat him - is he better than Thurman power and youth or GGG size.

Floyd def wasn't Floyd. He looked mentally shook, even in the interview. He has no business considering full middle or 154 at this stage unless he is looking at the exit door. I think he and Manny are a certainty