Are there any (right handed orthodox) fighters that you can think of, who were exceptionally good at setting up/ hiding the right hook?
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Are there any (right handed orthodox) fighters that you can think of, who were exceptionally good at setting up/ hiding the right hook?
Hopkins
George Foreman
What do you mean by that? marciano had a way of making his right hand over the top look like a right hand to the body. Archie Moore hid his right hand behind his left shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Also, what are you calling a right hook?
Hook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
There is such a thing as a right hook! You are trying to call an overhand right a right hook by the looks of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
You are trying to call an over hand right a right hook by the looks of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
Eric Morales had a sneaky right hook that changed midway and ended up a right uppercut that i have seen damaging opponents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18nmyD8UHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1bkMtrPZwY
....but you were saying yk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8UkuuTsmOo
And although the video features the LEFT hook you'll see Foreman's right hook in the follow ups
Bro, the way you appear to look at boxing comes across as naive/ ignorant/ idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
No such thing as a right hook???
Short story long; I find it awkward to hit the heavy bag with a right hook and it occurred to me that it is a relatively crude punch, seemingly very eat to telegraph, in relation to the rest of the basic arsenal. I was left trying to think of fighters that were renowned for their right hook, or who had shown and aptitude to use it specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldWhat do you mean by that? marciano had a way of making his right hand over the top look like a right hand to the body. Archie Moore hid his right hand behind his left shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Also, what are you calling a right hook?
The only one I could think of was Floyd against Cotto, where he used it with tactical intent, to great effect.
I think Roy Jones used to exploit every ounce of his athleticism to land audacious looking right hands but I'm not immediately aware of any tactical finesse from him.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is, I'm struggling to find relevance for the punch (a completely horizontal looping shot). Someone said Hopkins, so I'll check him out and also Grey, thank you for recommending Moore and The Rock.
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Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusBro, the way you appear to look at boxing comes across as naive/ ignorant/ idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
No such thing as a right hook???
The Right Hook for orthodox fighters really is just the right hand. There is no science to it. May as well say right hand to the body or head.
A straight right is distinguished because we call it a straight right. I know you can have a "right hook", but for orthodox fighters it really and truly is the most mundane punch that really anyone can throw.
It's the very first punch one is inclined to throw for orthodox fighters. Why have a special discussions for it?
A normal right hand is a straight right. A right hand that is arched over ala Mayorga is an over hand or chopping right. A short hook with the right like Marcianos Suzie Q is a right hook.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusBro, the way you appear to look at boxing comes across as naive/ ignorant/ idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
No such thing as a right hook???
The Right Hook for orthodox fighters really is just the right hand. There is no science to it. May as well say right hand to the body or head.
A straight right is distinguished because we call it a straight right. I know you can have a "right hook", but for orthodox fighters it really and truly is the most mundane punch that really anyone can throw.
It's the very first punch one is inclined to throw for orthodox fighters. Why have a special discussions for it?
What you are saying is like saying there is no difference between a straight left jab and a left hook!
Don't be silly!
Can't believe nobody brought up possessor of the greatest right hook in boxing history.... JULIAN JACKSON!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=herrJp3Ai-I
Anyone who is first inclined to throw a right hook you should tell to get out of the gym because they have no natural feel for fighting. The first punch you should be incline to throw is the jab , the second you should be inclined to throw is the straight right, the third you should be inclined to throw is the left hook, I can go on and on. I don't understand how you can be so damn wrong all the time. Not like a little wrong. Like it is so damn wrong it has to be intentional.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusBro, the way you appear to look at boxing comes across as naive/ ignorant/ idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
No such thing as a right hook???
The Right Hook for orthodox fighters really is just the right hand. There is no science to it. May as well say right hand to the body or head.
A straight right is distinguished because we call it a straight right. I know you can have a "right hook", but for orthodox fighters it really and truly is the most mundane punch that really anyone can throw.
It's the very first punch one is inclined to throw for orthodox fighters. Why have a special discussions for it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh7ZjhlsE84
Again, Foreman
It's not about what punch you're inclined to throw first it's about being open and being ready to land a punch with either hand from any angle.....certainly there's "science" to THAT aspect of it. The plain simple fact that fighters RARELY if ever expect a right hook from an orthodox fighter ought to have you thinking "Well, it's the punch they don't expect, and it's a punch that can pack a wallop so why not put it in your arsenal"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The right hook to the body (FROM an orthodox fighter AGAINST an orthodox fighter) drops the lead hand, it also stiffens a fighter up and slows them down.
A right hook to the head (FROM an orthodox fighter AGAINST an orthodox fighter) is something that can end or start to end a fight.
Mike Tyson's entire style, Jack Dempsey's entire style, Floyd Patterson's entire style, based on the quick shifting of weight from side to side which created a natural slipping motion and allowed for loading up on punches without taking up time or telegraphing the delivery of punches makes GREAT use of the right hook and justifiably so! All of those guys threw the right hook and when it landed (and it landed often) it either was a set up for the knock out blow or it was THE knock out blow. If you take away the right hook from those fighters then their style simply does not work because what is there to be afraid of as the fighter slips to the right...a straight right hand? Have you ever thrown punches on a bag using that style? You simply can't get the same pop AND you won't affect your opponent's defense as much....land a little wider and all of a sudden there's an open window for the right cross but without the right hook you don't open that window for yourself.
Right hooks from an orthodox fighter against a southpaw can be even more effective as that punch squares up on a southpaw and can send them reeling.
If you completely dismiss the right hook for orthodox fighters then you're A) dumb as shit and B ) taking a useful weapon out of your own arsenal.
JB,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusShort story long; I find it awkward to hit the heavy bag with a right hook and it occurred to me that it is a relatively crude punch, seemingly very eat to telegraph, in relation to the rest of the basic arsenal. I was left trying to think of fighters that were renowned for their right hook, or who had shown and aptitude to use it specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldWhat do you mean by that? marciano had a way of making his right hand over the top look like a right hand to the body. Archie Moore hid his right hand behind his left shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
Also, what are you calling a right hook?
The only one I could think of was Floyd against Cotto, where he used it with tactical intent, to great effect.
I think Roy Jones used to exploit every ounce of his athleticism to land audacious looking right hands but I'm not immediately aware of any tactical finesse from him.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is, I'm struggling to find relevance for the punch (a completely horizontal looping shot). Someone said Hopkins, so I'll check him out and also Grey, thank you for recommending Moore and The Rock.
I think the reason you're finding it awkward, is because working on it with a heavy bag doesnt play as much to the set up (in terms of positioning and footwork). That's not entirely a bad thing. If you have your feet set right, the right hook is going to feel awkward/slow on a stationary target because it takes the punch forever to get there and you can wind up over extending and maintaining your balance a lot of times instinctively widens your stance and takes away your mobility. Angles, footwork and positioning are key to use that hook effectively.
A lot of the fighters that were really proficient at using a right hook either:
A.) squared up a lot if only briefly. Shortening the distance of travel and bringing the right foot around allowed more leverage from turning at the waist... it also lessens the risk of over extension. But also leaves you presenting a bigger target. This is why a lot of guys use it on the inside now or when running down a guy on rubber legs.
b.) Had great ring generalship and used to walk their opponents into it. A guy like jones that had exceptional balance and very quick feet could throw it from the outside, while squaring up momentarily or finishing in a southpaw stance. Most other guys used footwork cutting off a guys a escape as he was circling away from the right hand and reverse him into it... or used a good jab to turn their opponent along the ropes (as the opponent pivots of that lead foot) into right hand to the body or over the ear that came out of their blind spot.
When you're working the bag, try this. Use your jabs straights to get the bag swinging. Alternate working between bag between your 10 and 2. When the bag is swinging from your 10 to 2. As it passes your 12 use your jab and come around with the hook. Turn into the hook at the waist and pivot off your back foot. Its should feel less awkward and allow you to keep your feet in position and either jab out or follow up with the left hook. Try not to loop it wide. From overhead it should more resemble a question mark motion than a backwards "C". Corkscrew it of course and turn your hand over...
Just my opinion of course. Disclaimer: Not mean to be official instruction ..The author is this post will not be held responsible for any injuries sustained while attempting the above... etc etc etc blah blah blah...
Nonsense. Throw a guy in off of the streets into a ring for the first time, or even the second time and third time, the most inclined punch he is willing to throw is his right hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonAnyone who is first inclined to throw a right hook you should tell to get out of the gym because they have no natural feel for fighting. The first punch you should be incline to throw is the jab , the second you should be inclined to throw is the straight right, the third you should be inclined to throw is the left hook, I can go on and on. I don't understand how you can be so damn wrong all the time. Not like a little wrong. Like it is so damn wrong it has to be intentional.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusBro, the way you appear to look at boxing comes across as naive/ ignorant/ idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaHook to the body or head?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
There really is no such punch as a right hook. A right hook really isn't a real punch. A right hook is either called a looping right to the head (which usually misses or ineffective) or a wild swing to the body- which anyone can do.
There is no such intrigue in a right hook.
No such thing as a right hook???
The Right Hook for orthodox fighters really is just the right hand. There is no science to it. May as well say right hand to the body or head.
A straight right is distinguished because we call it a straight right. I know you can have a "right hook", but for orthodox fighters it really and truly is the most mundane punch that really anyone can throw.
It's the very first punch one is inclined to throw for orthodox fighters. Why have a special discussions for it?
You LEARN to throw the left jab first because of training to set up the right hand- but in reality, for mere mortals, your first punch is your right hand. Automatic. No one should have to tell you that.