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Kathy Duva has reported that Haymon is taking his fighters off of premium cable and moving them to NBC. The reason Showtime has had its worst year in recent memory is because Haymon doesn't want to risk his premiere guys losing on Showtime when he needs them on NBC next year. I imagine he'll have to make good fights on NBC. We can expect his first show to follow the super bowl.
The fights will be even worse.
Haymon just sounds like a greasy asshole who thinks he's smarter than every fucking one... just make fighters fight! Dickhead!Quote:
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You sure he went to Harvard?
What directly after ? Can't they show it in the break instead of Lady Gargoyle or Waybouncy?Quote:
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NBC is basically free TV in the States, right? How can that be a bad thing for fans? So subscripton TV is not vital to pay these 7 figure purses? Interesting.
Yeah this is good news. Interesting that Kathy Duva admits to losing out on some of those cards, which weren't bad at all, makes you wonder. It seems like this will be a gamble even with Haymons backing, although it helps that he'll have all the fighters signed in most cases:p
I've always been torn with al haymon. I feel like he has prevented some good fights from happening but I also feel like he has made some good fights and done some good things for boxing. I'm happy if he can bring more fights to non premium channels to get it main stream again. We will see what his agenda ends up being with that though.
The agenda and formula is simple, build up a fighter on free TV and then when he steps up PPV the bollock out of it.Quote:
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I'm mixed. Like @Master I think the quality might actually drop and its worrisome that he seems intent on destroying Hbo and Showtime. Boxing does not need another Don King in this watered down set up. I'm all for getting rid of the stupid brain dead ppv era but I like competition. I have no desire to see a bunch of knuckle draggers go at it to satisfy the lowest common denominator only to be headlined by Garcia/Salka type fights. Saying that its free wont help much.Anyway you dress it up this still ends like Animal Farm (the book) lacking only the good intentions of the pig.
Its tough not to be both cynical and skeptical over this my friend.
It's a tough call. Boxing on regular TV is good if it is done correctly because it'll bring boxing to a wider audience. If it's done badly, it could be detrimental to boxing. What has been Haymon's pattern though so far? He builds a fighter up on one network fighting average competition, and then as soon as boxing fans begin demanding tougher fights, he sells the fighter to another network for more money. This is what he did with Floyd and what he did with the Golden Boy-affiliated fighters. He moved them to Showtime after HBO wouldn't play ball any longer. The question will be how he will be able to make enough money for his fighters to face tough competition if he doesn't have the option of moving them back and forth between networks? He's trending toward the UFC model, but that model works in part because it doesn't pay the fighters a lot at least relative to boxing. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
On the other hand, he has signed so many fighters, it seems that naturally he'll have enough talent to make compelling fights when he wants to.
Eventually fighters will become wise to Haymon passing them around like pawn shop tickets in order to blind the next mark with dollar signs. Networks ecspecially nbc have a long run in dealing with promoters and demand product and payoff as they know College football, LPGA and a menu of other already established afternoon sports roam wide on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. This won't be some sausage making factory hiding on the back page of a cable guide where GBP can feed no hopers into the wood chipper for its manicured prospects. But frankly boxing on 'free' cable no matter how you parse it is a good thing and I seriously doubt we will see the demise of hbo and showtime anytime soon under the tyrannical reign of one lord Vader Haymon...I think Kathy Duva sounds a bit rattled and we as fans will continue to call out bullcrap match ups when we see it.
I read he's getting four or five premium dates on NBC and a lot of dates on NBC cable and he's apparently going to start some kind of PPV or subscription channel on top of that. Four or five big cheques isn't going to keep all those fighters he has signed happy and if his pay channel doesn't work and HBO and Showtime start publicly offering his fighters bigger cheques than he can offer it's going to get interesting.
And how does Haymon work as a promoter and a manager? Get the Watson twins to manage the fighters? Although in some cases the fighters have managers (even co-managers) and Haymon as advisor. Ten percent for the trainer, fifteen for Haymon and up to twenty five for the manager(s). That's a lot for a fighter to pay out and I'm sure those fuckers all get paid off the top, then you've got the taxman taking half of what's left. Haymon better come through with the revenues or he's going to have lots of unhappy fighters.
Is that alittle compliment for haymon?Quote:
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Haymon for the most part has done great for his clients or he wouldn't continue to sign new fighters and he wouldn't make his fighters a lot of money. There is no disputing that. Whether he is great for the fans remains to be seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by impIs that a little compliment for Haymon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
On that note, there is some dispute as to whether he makes good fights regularly too. Where 2013 was a banner year for Showtime boxing, 2014 has been horrible. This is when Haymon has the largest crop of American fighters that can only fight on Showtime because they aren't welcome on HBO. Why haven't we seen better fights?
Remember also he has veto power on his fighter's fights. So, even if Kid Chocolate decided he wanted to fight Korobov, Haymon can veto it. How many times has that happened?
Haha, a good one!😀. Are you saying Haymon doesn't even have the scruples of a pig or worse yet Don King?Quote:
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Originally Posted by p4pking
I'm mixed. Like @Master I think the quality might actually drop and its worrisome that he seems intent on destroying Hbo and Showtime. Boxing does not need another Don King in this watered down set up. I'm all for getting rid of the stupid brain dead ppv era but I like competition. I have no desire to see a bunch of knuckle draggers go at it to satisfy the lowest common denominator only to be headlined by Garcia/Salka type fights. Saying that its free wont help much.Anyway you dress it up this still ends like Animal Farm (the book) lacking only the good intentions of the pig.
Its tough not to be both cynical and skeptical over this my friend.