I've been watching old Vinny Paz fights and came across this one, he catches this poor guy with a wind up bolo overhand right. Clean one-punch KO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvcSMzsTKOM
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I've been watching old Vinny Paz fights and came across this one, he catches this poor guy with a wind up bolo overhand right. Clean one-punch KO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvcSMzsTKOM
Short fight but skip to 7:00 if you want to just see the KO
Why Roy abandoned the jab he showed in the Paz fight throughout his career has always been a mystery to me.
Sorry man kind of off topic.
Vinny was a good guy, hard worker and fan pleaser with a big heart. That being said, whenever I start to get down on fighters of today I just remind myself that Vinny was a two weight titlist. He was never the man in any weightclass he was in, and won both titles against the most vulnerable champs available, but he was still a multi-weight titlist. Crazy. They should have never let him in the ring with Roy, and Roy should've never set foot in the ring with Paz. I'm pretty sure Roy could get a close decision vs. Paz if he wasn't allowed to use his hands at all.
No I feel you there, I've never seen a guy double and triple a jab with the speed, fluidity and accuracy he did, and not just to flick it out there, but to actually pump it out like a piston.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
At one point he was feinting the jab and throwing a double jab off the feint, it was unreal the shit he did.
Yeah I think it worked that way in any era, if promoters saw that you had the potential to put asses in seats, whether it be with exciting fights or a colourful personality (both of which Paz had), they would make the road a little easier for the cash cow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Roger Mayweather made him look like a bum, really.
Paz was the quintessential over achiever for his actual all around ability. He never belonged in the same arena let alone ring with Jones in the first place. That was embarrassing, for both. All fire in the belly and guts on a razor and fought through more adversity and injury than most guys stomach today but when he faced top scale, was often cut to ribbons.
Sweet haha, love that punch.. He did the bolo as if it was coming as an upper then just wung it up top, the guy must have not seen it at all, and Paz obviously had legit power at that weight.
I don't know that you can take that much about Roy Jones from the Pazienza fight, which was really such a joke of a matchup. Of course Roy looked awesome, but did he ever fight another opponent who was so outmatched yet so aggressive? A phenomenal athlete in his prime at 168 fighting a blown up brawer lightweight who was coming off of serious injuries and two wars with Roberto Duran, in 1995!
It would be like Andre Ward fighting Brandon Rios or something, you'd damn well hope he'd look devastating.
Spectacular!
What a fucker Paz was, but a lovable fucker. All heart and rage and ego.
I'm impressed moreso with the speed and fluidity, and the different angles he threw from, especially the knockdown and KO sequence, not the fact of just beating Paz who obviously was just back from breaking his neck and was never a great fighter to begin with. I've never seen anyone with his kind of dexterity and mechanics, and that goes for Floyd, SRL, SRR, whoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
It would be impressive to me to even see him just hit the heavy bag with those punches (and Paz was little more than a heavy bag haha, in one round he didn't land a punch hahah)
Yeah you gotta love guys like Paz, not a great fighter but added much more excitement to boxing than most great fighters do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Also, a good view of the late but great Ed Derian doing the announcing.
"First Vinny Pazienza Wise-Ass Punk Experience"
Sunday ~ April 15, 1984
Sands Casino Hotel ~ Atlantic City, New Jersey
Vinny Pazienza {Age; 21 yeas, 5 months} with an unblemished record of 11-0-0 {11 KO's} was brought in to fight on the undercard
of the Harry Arroyo vs. Charlie 'Choo Choo' Brown IBF Lightweight Championship.
Vinny was brought down to New Jersey, to be a sparring-partner for Charlie Brown.
On the 'undercard', Vinny was to face Mike 'Pure' Golden, a 21 year-old kid from Philadelphia with a record of 11-4-0 {3 KO's}.
Mike was a good kid, who had won '11 of 13' after getting over-matched in his first 2-Bouts.
Mike was pretty much a 'Club-Fighting Preliminary Fighter' who was a decent boxer. Basically, he was a light-hitting boxer with little power.
THE FIGHT >
Vinny, who was 'Hell-Bent' on keeping his Knockout streak going, tried desperately for the KO during the first 3-Rounds by
swinging 'wildy' like a Club-Fighter. Though Vinny won the first 3-Rounds, he looked like a 'wild-swinging amateur'.
When it was apparent that Vinny would be denied his early Knockout, he started 'fouling' in Round 4. First by hitting on
the 'Break', and then by back-handing.
Then he started in with 'quick-hitting' after the Referee called 'Break'. It was enough to get him penalized '1-Point' in Round 4.
A 'wild' Vinny came out in Round 5, and started winging in punches behind the head and below the belt. A 'frustrated'
Pazienza was 'amateurish' in an effort to get his 'prized' Knockout.
But though Pazienza was out-hitting Mike Golden, the Philadelphia Lightweight refused to cave.
A completely frustrated Pazienza went too far in Round 6, as he held Mike behind the head while whipping in uppercuts.
Completely 'cheap-shot' stuff.
After the 'Bell', he deliberately 'cheap-shotted' Mike with a right-hand to the head.
Vinny should have been DQ'd at the end of Round 6, but he was a 'protected fighter'.
In Round 7, Vinny couldn't break through Mike's defense, and again added in more 'dirty-fouls'. By the end of Round 7,
Vinny was both frustrated and 'gassed out'.
In Round 8, it was Mike Golden who got some revenge, as he 'popped' Vinny numerous times with quick-punches
and bloodied his nose.
At the Bell {Round 8} ending the fight, Mike reached out towards Vinny to shake hands. Vinny, showing no-class,
slapped Mike's face with an open glove {left-hand} and went after him.
Then, the Pazienza Team pushed Mike's assistants, before order was restored.
You knew right there, that Vinny Pazienza was 'a wise-ass punk'.
Note;
Vinny tried so hard for a Knockout, that he pulled himself a 'Double Hernia' and was out of Boxing for 4-Months.
Paz broke his neck and came back to win a version of a title which is a great achievement. He beat the undefeated fighter Dana Rosenblatt and trained with Evander Holyfield so was a fitness enthusiast. He got schooled by Herol Graham.
A film of his should be made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RSX5KceD-g
Man, he was getting destroyed by Dana prior to landing the Hail Mary shot. If I remember right there is a pic of him landing the shot and he has both eyes closed.
I liked Paz and respected his toughness. That being said, the guy was hype and match making at its best and I was embarrassed for him when he would strut and showboat vs no hopers. Ray Leonard was landing bolo punches and wind up punches vs Duran, Hearns and Hagler. I hated his showboating, but at least he was doing it vs world class opposition. Paz doing it vs bums made him a clown.
In one of his pre-fight interviews for I forget which fight (one of his ESPN fights) he referred to overhand rights as "throwing Melvins." Now I know why :D
I searched for Vinny Pazienza & Melvin and this came up ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TigerFan
Five-Time World Champion Boxer Vinny Paz Shares Thoughts About Upcoming Movie, Bleed For This (Executive Produced by Martin Scorsese and Starring Miles Teller), Boxing, God and What's Next<NXTD.OB> | Reuters
"I had a punch, an overhand right that I used to call the Melvin. It was because I knocked out this kid in the third round. He was a top ten fighter. I knocked him out with one punch over the top; you know, a wild punch. I wound it up and then threw it over the top - knocked this kid out. He went down face-first like a tree and ever since that punch, we call it the Melvin. That's my famous signature punch."
The punch was superb, but it all started with a swinging left hook around 6:35
When I saw the title of the thread I knew it was the Melvin Paul fight.
I'm embarrassed to say although I knew the name , I Didn't know much about him. fuck , what a career he had! He lost to everyone and his wife, beat Duran twice and went from Lightweight to fighting Super Middleweight World Title fights according to Boxrec. and at one point in his career he fought Lloyd Honeyghan at Welterweight and 6 months later , he fought Dan Sherry for a SMW trinket. that's a 2 Stone difference!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiekVa_gQM
This was it.
Vinny Pazienza vs. Melvin Paul
Tuesday ~ November 26, 1985
Harrah's Marina ~ Atlantic City, New Jersey
Televised by ~ USA Network
Vinny 'Paz The Pazmanian Devil' Pazienza
Age ........... 22 years, 11 months
Height ....... 5' 7 1/2'
Reach ........ 70"
Weight ....... 138 lbs.
Record ....... 16-0-0 {13 KO's}
Melvin 'The Tank' Paul
Age ............ 25 years, 2 months
Height ........ 5' 5"
Reach ......... 67 1/2"
Weight ....... 136 3/4 lbs.
Record ....... 22-6-0 {13 KO's}
'The Skinny on Vinny' >
Vinny Pazienza was introduced as 'undefeated', but he was 'stopped' by Abdelkader Marbi in
Milan, Italy 1-Year earlier {December 1, 1984}.
That bout was somewhat controversial, and Lou Duva had tried to get it ruled as a 'No Contest'.
This was only Vinny's 3rd-Bout in 1-Year, as he was suffering from a recurring {nose problem}, as
Vinny had his nose busted up several times.
'The Skinny on Melvin'
Melvin was a tough kid who came to fight. Though he lacked size, he was a sharp-boxer with
decent power.
Unfortunate for Melvin, his brother had been 'shot to death' only 1-Week earlier.
Jeez that's shameful of Paz's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yep, bit like Tyson vs Savarese that was. I don't buy that its adrenaline, if guys can't control themselves in those instances they shouldn't be getting paid to fight. I'd love to see a ref with some size on the fighter retaliate somehow, which they would be well within rights to imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerJeez that's shameful of Paz's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yeah, boxing really needs referees like they have in the UFC. In boxing historically it's been old/fat guys or little midgets like Mills Lane where it looks comical to see him in the middle of two giants.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingYep, bit like Tyson vs Savarese that was. I don't buy that its adrenaline, if guys can't control themselves in those instances they shouldn't be getting paid to fight. I'd love to see a ref with some size on the fighter retaliate somehow, which they would be well within rights to imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerJeez that's shameful of Paz's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
They need a Big John McCarthy or Dan Miragliotta in there incase shit gets ugly. Paz would have been on the ground tied up in a pretzel if he tried that shit with any of them in there.
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Paz was a spaz, literally. Could also be a dirty mo fo with elbows, body slams, nut shots and intentionally raking Durans face with laces. The Loreto Garza fight was one of the foulest and fugliest I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingYep, bit like Tyson vs Savarese that was. I don't buy that its adrenaline, if guys can't control themselves in those instances they shouldn't be getting paid to fight. I'd love to see a ref with some size on the fighter retaliate somehow, which they would be well within rights to imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerJeez that's shameful of Paz's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Vincenzo Pazienza
"I'm white, and can fight"
Yes, Vinny was a 'classless buffoon'.
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Originally Posted by SpicoliPaz was a spaz, literally. Could also be a dirty mo fo with elbows, body slams, nut shots and intentionally raking Durans face with laces. The Loreto Garza fight was one of the foulest and fugliest I've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingYep, bit like Tyson vs Savarese that was. I don't buy that its adrenaline, if guys can't control themselves in those instances they shouldn't be getting paid to fight. I'd love to see a ref with some size on the fighter retaliate somehow, which they would be well within rights to imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerJeez that's shameful of Paz's part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Never was a fan of "Yo Vinny" for that very same reason. Leading up to his fight with RJJ, I remember thinking how I would've been happy with a boxing lesson from Roy. Instead..... Roy swept the floor with the hapless dude. Made an instant fan out of me.
Roy Jones/Paz was a PPV, too. Had to be one of the biggest mismatches on PPV ever, right up there with Floyd/Gatti.