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Adrien Broner is a disgrace to life on earth
Adrien Broner Writes 'Or Nah' Instead of Leaving Tip | Bleacher Report Seriously what is wrong with this scumbag, truly an appalling human-being! Also a disgrace to this sport!
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Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
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Yup, hopefully he left cash but if he didn't and decides to show of for it he is scumbag extraordinaire
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
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disgrace to life on Earth ??? I was expecting to see a vid of him putting kittens on a train track.
that was room service? Though he's a twat, I prob wouldn't tip on a 24 dollar bagel and piece of bacon myself.
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Tipping is a ridiculous practice. I don't mind people not tipping if the service was bad. Not tipping shouldn't be considered bad. What should be considered terrible is the restaurant owners getting to pay employees less because tipping is considered almost mandatory. How about waiters just get a fair wage instead of expecting us to pay their wage?
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powerpuncher
Tipping is a ridiculous practice. I don't mind people not tipping if the service was bad. Not tipping shouldn't be considered bad. What should be considered terrible is the restaurant owners getting to pay employees less because tipping is considered almost mandatory. How about waiters just get a fair wage instead of expecting us to pay their wage?
While I do agree, should they go find another job? what if they cant find another job, strike until they get paid a fair wage? Its fucked up, but as of now they depend on tips.
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Who is this Adrien Broner ? didn't he used to box once? and then he got a bit fat and lazy and tried to go up the weights and got found out. I vaguely remember him......................
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chris6878
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powerpuncher
Tipping is a ridiculous practice. I don't mind people not tipping if the service was bad. Not tipping shouldn't be considered bad. What should be considered terrible is the restaurant owners getting to pay employees less because tipping is considered almost mandatory. How about waiters just get a fair wage instead of expecting us to pay their wage?
While I do agree, should they go find another job? what if they cant find another job, strike until they get paid a fair wage? Its fucked up, but as of now they depend on tips.
You know what this is? The world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
I mean I'm very sorry the government taxes their tips, that's fucked up. That ain't my fault. It would appear to me that waitresses are one of the many groups the government fucks in the ass on a regular basis. If you show me a piece of paper that says the government shouldn't do that, I'll sign it, put it to a vote, I'll vote for it, but what I won't do is play ball. And this non-college bullshit you're givin' me, I got two words for that: learn to fuckin' type, 'cause if you're expecting me to help out with the rent you're in for a big fuckin' surprise.
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if a waiter or waitress, barber, taxi driver, bar person or what ever enhance my experience of using the service the represent then they deserve a tip
I think things are different in england arent they? i dont think tipping is mandetory? is that right? is it in america?
also if the waitress has nice tits she'll get a tip on the off chance that she might want to have sex with me afterwards
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chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Even the Ghetto threw him out. Don't insult the Ghetto.
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Vitalifan4life
Why should he leave a tip ? Is it mandatory to leave a tip ? He paid the bill. Job done.
An appallling human being ? A disgrace ? Because he did not leave a tip ? Oh Please. Let's just say Adrien Broner was not rich and went in there and asked for a job ?
What you think they'd say ?
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Vitalifan4life
Maybe he didn't like the service?
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denilson200
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Vitalifan4life
Why should he leave a tip ? Is it mandatory to leave a tip ? He paid the bill. Job done.
An appallling human being ? A disgrace ? Because he did not leave a tip ? Oh Please. Let's just say Adrien Broner was not rich and went in there and asked for a job ?
What you think they'd say ?
@denilson200 my best buddy just got banned for life so I am searching for a new BFF. I was hoping you would join me. I know I'm white but I'm not a bad guy. It's not my fault I was born this way. I didn't ask for it. It could have gone the other way, I could have been black. I don't think something that happened to me that is not my fault should effect our relationship. If need be I will denounce my affiliation with the White race. I will send you a friend request and I can only pray that you will accept it. To all my ex white buddies here on the forum I hope you realize you are guilty because you were born white.
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chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
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Re: Adrien Broner is a disgrace to life on earth
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
he dont have to fight pac, atleast fight a black boxer with skill.....when is the last time he did that.......naw he fights stiff spanish dudes
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chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
he dont have to fight pac, atleast fight a black boxer with skill.....when is the last time he did that.......naw he fights stiff spanish dudes
Chris,
What black fighter with skill do you want him to fight...berto?!!
When was the last spanish dude he fought?!
Only way floyd might loose in this century is at a catchweight with andre ward..never going to happen.
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
agian wit the racist coments. Cant get it off his minds. Uppity
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Broner has just tried to be a Floyd clone, but there is something rather distasteful in his manner
humble he is not, with his double act with his father Cedric The Entertainer comb my hair daddy
truly a obnoxious individual Broner is.!
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Originally Posted by
Dia bando
Broner has just tried to be a Floyd clone, but there is something rather distasteful in his manner
humble he is not, with his double act with his father Cedric The Entertainer comb my hair daddy
truly a obnoxious individual Broner is.!
He has the foul smell of an un=flushed toilet about him. He is totally foul and needs to leave boxing for the good of humankind.:o
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
he dont have to fight pac, atleast fight a black boxer with skill.....when is the last time he did that.......naw he fights stiff spanish dudes
Chris,
What black fighter with skill do you want him to fight...berto?!!
When was the last spanish dude he fought?!
Only way floyd might loose in this century is at a catchweight with andre ward..never going to happen.
Berto is the only black fighter with skill you can think of. Your sad.
Maidana is from argentina and speaks what language.......
When is the last time floyd faught a boxer with speed and power...zab? Dude you know exactly what im talking about, but like I said, to you floyd can do know wrong. He has been avoiding any fighter speed and agility for damn near 10 years now.
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Originally Posted by
orangeclock
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
agian wit the racist coments. Cant get it off his minds. Uppity
yo, do me a favor, either contribute to the discussion or keep quite. Stop following me around with your race bait bullshit.
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Leave Broner alone and let him concentrate on his boxing, that is all that matters.
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Re: Adrien Broner is a disgrace to life on earth
There's declining buzz about Broner since he got battered by Maidana and Haymon has a problem with him. Broner obviously can't cut it at welter and for his first fight after Maidana spent a week in the hotel sauna to make 140. He can't stay at 140 for long even if they can wangle him an easy go at a belt there. He's probably going to have a short shelf life at world level so Haymon will be working out how best to cash in on him.
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chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
he dont have to fight pac, atleast fight a black boxer with skill.....when is the last time he did that.......naw he fights stiff spanish dudes
Chris,
What black fighter with skill do you want him to fight...berto?!!
When was the last spanish dude he fought?!
Only way floyd might loose in this century is at a catchweight with andre ward..never going to happen.
Berto is the only black fighter with skill you can think of. Your sad.
Maidana is from argentina and speaks what language.......
When is the last time floyd faught a boxer with speed and power...zab? Dude you know exactly what im talking about, but like I said, to you floyd can do know wrong. He has been avoiding any fighter speed and agility for damn near 10 years now.
Sorry, you havent answered your own question..what black fighter with skill do you want floyd to fight?
He beat cotto already.
Mosely is finished.
Thurman..can he make the numbers?
Bradley on top rank.
Kell brook is fighting khan.
Perhaps he can fight best mate broner?!
Colour is so important to you as you mentioned it so what "black" fighter with skill do you want him to fight or has he ducked them all?
Im not defending im simply countering what you threw at me and everyone is waiting for an answer..
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
There's declining buzz about Broner since he got battered by Maidana and Haymon has a problem with him. Broner obviously can't cut it at welter and for his first fight after Maidana spent a week in the hotel sauna to make 140. He can't stay at 140 for long even if they can wangle him an easy go at a belt there. He's probably going to have a short shelf life at world level so Haymon will be working out how best to cash in on him.
Good post.
Shame he couldnt cash out on pacman.
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
he dont have to fight pac, atleast fight a black boxer with skill.....when is the last time he did that.......naw he fights stiff spanish dudes
Chris,
What black fighter with skill do you want him to fight...berto?!!
When was the last spanish dude he fought?!
Only way floyd might loose in this century is at a catchweight with andre ward..never going to happen.
Berto is the only black fighter with skill you can think of. Your sad.
Maidana is from argentina and speaks what language.......
When is the last time floyd faught a boxer with speed and power...zab? Dude you know exactly what im talking about, but like I said, to you floyd can do know wrong. He has been avoiding any fighter speed and agility for damn near 10 years now.
Sorry, you havent answered your own question..what black fighter with skill do you want floyd to fight?
He beat cotto already.
Mosely is finished.
Thurman..can he make the numbers?
Bradley on top rank.
Kell brook is fighting khan.
Perhaps he can fight best mate broner?!
Colour is so important to you as you mentioned it so what "black" fighter with skill do you want him to fight or has he ducked them all?
Im not defending im simply countering what you threw at me and everyone is waiting for an answer..
He could fight Thurman, porter, brook, lara or broner to answer the black fighter to fight question.
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Surprised this managed to make it's way to a boxing news website. That's sad and not news worthy.
Am I interested? Or nah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEdWRxiGXk8
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Jimanuel Boogustus
That makes me want to randomly grab phones from kids and break them.
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Abelardus
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imp
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chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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Originally Posted by
chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
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chris6878
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Originally Posted by
imp
Who cares!
Not everyone leaves tips!
Whos to say he had good service or not?!
Broner is keeping the spotlight on himself and making a ton of money from haters like yourself.
Yes we know hes a prick but hes a rich prick whos making the right moves.
all you care about is how much money he and his older fagweather brother make. you defend these fucks every chance you get. Broner has a track record of being a ghetto ass copy cat of another ignorant fuck. yet you say not everyone leaves a tip? come on man, this fool took a pic of the receipt like he was proud of it.
PS. Broner portraying another great stereotype, blacks dont tip.
Mate, you are a joke and a troll.
Broner not tipping is not the end of the world.
Who cares.
I troll with hate, you troll with the money teams cock in your mouth......"floyd makes money and you dont." blah blah blah
Lool
Why hate on his money.
You must love him because he is always so relevant in your posts.
Get over it and accept he is the best and it takes two to make this fight you dream about but arum will never ever play ball no matter what lies he tells the press.
Im not the only one that thinks that and alex ariza said the same thing five years ago.
he dont have to fight pac, atleast fight a black boxer with skill.....when is the last time he did that.......naw he fights stiff spanish dudes
Chris,
What black fighter with skill do you want him to fight...berto?!!
When was the last spanish dude he fought?!
Only way floyd might loose in this century is at a catchweight with andre ward..never going to happen.
Berto is the only black fighter with skill you can think of. Your sad.
Maidana is from argentina and speaks what language.......
When is the last time floyd faught a boxer with speed and power...zab? Dude you know exactly what im talking about, but like I said, to you floyd can do know wrong. He has been avoiding any fighter speed and agility for damn near 10 years now.
Sorry, you havent answered your own question..what black fighter with skill do you want floyd to fight?
He beat cotto already.
Mosely is finished.
Thurman..can he make the numbers?
Bradley on top rank.
Kell brook is fighting khan.
Perhaps he can fight best mate broner?!
Colour is so important to you as you mentioned it so what "black" fighter with skill do you want him to fight or has he ducked them all?
Im not defending im simply countering what you threw at me and everyone is waiting for an answer..
He could fight Thurman, porter, brook, lara or broner to answer the black fighter to fight question.
Thurman would expose this jerk for what he is. All hype and no substance. Hell, his punch volume alone tells the story.
In short, "Where's the beef?"
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punch volume, speed power.....mostly volume is what floyd avoids at all costs.