Interesting video here. Hopkins uses every illegal trick imaginable and usually gets away with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aH053p5IQg0
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Interesting video here. Hopkins uses every illegal trick imaginable and usually gets away with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aH053p5IQg0
He is savvy.
He's like ebola meets aids meets ghb meets alcool meets old spice dirty.
...and I'm pretty sure he's Lance Armstrong dirty as well.
Yes, very dirty. He insists on punching people in their faces. Not gentlemanly at all. Boxing matches shouldn't be rough after all, I hate wh n people refer to them as fights....
I question someone's standing as a fan when u have a 50 year old fighter go out of his way to fight a unification against a killer likeKov, and the idiots best observation is that the 50 year old is dirty andon PEDs. Pretty much exactly what I expect from the OP...
Hop knows where the ref and the cameras are at all times and takes advantage of it. With all due respect to the slanted video maker you could put together with clever editing the same kind of video for just about anyone and make them look dirty.
Compared to guys like Greb, Saddler, Norfolk and even Pep, Hopkins is an infant. Even in his own time he's not all that questionable. He's been involved in ugly fights the last couple of years but he's been a fighter for over 26.
He knows the tricks of the trade but he is not dirty. He pushes boundaries and fakes things and cheats but not dirty.
He has been very dirty. I don't see how you could argue otherwise. He deliberately throws low blows, punches the hips, taps the cup, leads with his head, pretends to be hurt, grabbing, holding, spinning, rabbit punches, hitting on the break, etc...
The video at the start of this thread alone should be evidence of how dirty he is.
Also, no drug testing before fights. Have we learned nothing from the Lance Armstrong situation? If it's too good to be true. It probably is. Even his trainer says it in the 24/7. No one should be able to do what Bernard is doing. Getting bigger and stronger at 40-45- 50 years of age??!? No one wonders how he's doing it? AND no drug testing for his fights.
Give me a break! Bernard is playing everyone!
One more stupid posts to add to all of your other ones I guess. I hate when your mom lets you use her computer. So you really have two points: 1) Hop is dirty and 2) Hop is on PEDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
1) it's a fight moron, it's supposed to be rough. Hop is the master at getting the other guy flustered and capitalizing on it. Yes, he fights dirty. That is one of my favorite aspects of his game, it's a fight and he uses every advantage he can.
2) Hop isn't any bigger than he was due his prime. He just doesn't dry out now to make weight. The guy is tiny compared to Kov n has a 28 inch waist. His Spartan diet and training are legendary, and the guy has great genetics and never abused his body. Still, he has shown significant decreases is stamina and punching power since his prime.
Your problem is that you are new to the sport so you have nothing to reference and assume that PEDs are the only way to remain effective at an advanced age. You've never seen what an animal and machine Hop was during his prime or how other older fighters like Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore remained formidable into their later years (without today's nutrition advantages, scientific research and hops discipline) so you assume PEDs. One more thing genius: EVERYONE, including Hop is tested for PEDs. You should pay me for all I teach you...
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Originally Posted by mikeeod
1) "It's a fight it's supposed to be rough." Yes, but there are rules to the sport of boxing and Bernard breaks them consistently and deliberately. Which, as I mentioned in my previous post is clearly shown in the video at the start of the thread.
2) He is clearly bigger when he fights at 175 than when he fought at 160 anyone can see that... BUT that's not my point. His use of performance enhancing drugs is obviously not for to bulk up and look ripped but for stamina and endurance and healing.
Are you familiar with Lance Armstrong? Is he a massive musclebound hulk of a man? No. Yet he did use every type of steroid and performance enhancing drug and illegal technique possible to gain advantage over his competition. He did it for years and never got caught. Maybe, since you have such admiration for Hopkin's cheating in the ring you may only consider PED another tactic to gain an advantage over the competition. You probably think it isn't cheating as long as he doesn't get caught. Just like you don't think it's cheating to deliberately headbutt and lowblow your way to a win.
Your statement about boxers being tested for PED is straight up wrong. It shows you know nothing about the reality of the sport. I'll provide a video of Kathy Duva talking about the lack of advance testing in the Hopkins/Kovalev fight in particular but she addresses testing in the sport of boxing in general. Surely you can admit that she knows more than you about boxing.
As for my interest in the sport, take it easy on me, I've only just started watched last year. HAHAHAhaaa!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfYfzKOjKWw
Ahhhhh, Rocco, my favorite troll... YOU missed the point. Lance Armstrong continued to have high stamina at an advanced age. He was a little smarter and had more tricks, but his STAMINA is was broke other cyclists. If you had watched the sport previous to last year, you would have seen/noticed Hops gradual decline from the machine who destroyed Tito, to the guy who started slow n came on late vs Oscar, Eastman n Taylor, to the guy who struggled n couldn't keep pace with Joe C n Dawson.
PEDs allow older fighters to maintain that same level of STAMINA. Hop doesn't win with his stamina, he uses guile and smarts to control the pace and win. Write this stuff down because it will make you sound smarter (not hard for you) in the future.
As for testing, they are ALL tested for banned substances, which include PEDs. If certain fighters want to subject themselves to increased testing similar to what is found in the Olympics, good for them. Only an idiot would complain that a fighter follows the required testing though. When Olympic style testing becomes mandatory, of course Hop n every other fighter will comply. Put more thought in before you post. Use your head, that's the lump three to four feet above your ass...
When Olympic style testing is made mandatory Bernard will fail a test.
But no, he won't he'll already have retired.
But no!!!! He won't even fight again after Kovalev.
As for the fight against Tito. It was getting busted for illegal hand wraps that beat him.
Eastman really wasn't anywhere near Bernard's level.
Oscar had to fatten up and threw the fight. That body shot wasn't all that and Oscar's acting was terrible.
Haha! I was kidding earlier, but you really have only recently started watching the sport, huh? Tito could've loaded his gloves with horseshoes, it wouldn't have mattered. Tito was the #2 P4P fighter and huge favorite to win and Hop dominated every single aspect and every single second of that fight. Greatest performance of that decade, hands down. The wraps didn't matter, Hop being an ATG did...Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Eastman had only one loss, was the #1 ranked challenger, and was a big middleweight. He was viewed as Hop's biggest challenge at the time and a significant threat. Once again, it would've been better for you to keep your mouth shut and not confirm your ignorance. Back to my point of bringing Howard up, Hop, at this point of his career, was already showing signs of stamina declining and would start slow and then mount a late surge.
Oscar was fat for the Sturm fight, but learned his lesson and came to fight in good shape, weighing about 155. Since you are new to the sport I will clue you in, Hop came in well under the middleweight limit as well, weighing in at 156. Once again, my point is that Hop conserved energy early to come on strong late, showing a reduction in stamina, and contrary to PED usage.
I notice that you dropped your original PED argument and tried to change the subject. Good idea to drop the PED/Armstrong talk. Bad idea to shoot your mouth off more though...
Tito knew he was a cheater and that he lacked the power that made him the dominant fighter that he was. This is why Bernard dominated him the way he did. From the first bell Tito threw without conviction. If you watch the fight you'll see he was beat from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Eastman was not considered a real threat. If you wanna act like anyone gave him a chance then you go ahead. I remember watching that fight. Bernard is 2 steps above that bald bum.
Oscar a terrible actor.
I dropped the PED talk because i know I'm right.
There is this boxing magazine called "Ring Magazine". Prior to the Eastman fight there was an article touting him as a challenger and talking about him being Hops bigger threat in the division. Also, and this is really going to be embarrassed for you, Eastman wasn't bald... I'm done with you at this point. You were entertaining for a while, but now it is just pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoTito knew he was a cheater and that he lacked the power that made him the dominant fighter that he was. This is why Bernard dominated him the way he did. From the first bell Tito threw without conviction. If you watch the fight you'll see he was beat from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Eastman was not considered a real threat. If you wanna act like anyone gave him a chance then you go ahead. I remember watching that fight. Bernard is 2 steps above that bald bum.
Oscar a terrible actor.
I dropped the PED talk because i know I'm right.
Yes. Yes he is. Very dirty.
Winning a World Middleweight Title in 1995 at 30 years old, I wouldn't say he was dirty then through the next few years until about 1999 at the Antwun Echols fight.
Terrific bout, dirty tactics by both guys.
For fans like myself who saw Hopkins' progress from Contender to Champ, it was clear that Hopkins' physical prime was beginning to fade, but hey, he was a month short of 35 years old.
He got very dirty after that, every crafty trick in the book, and even changed his style, to compensate for his fading physical abilities.
Up to 2001, Hopkins put on exciting bouts.
After 2001, most of the fights have been pure boring $#!t-fests (aside from the Trinidad and the Pavlik fights), marred by every dirty tactic in boxing, and bad-acting by Hopkins when the opponent retaliates.
Still a legendary career.
Amazing fighter.
..and dirty.
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http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/374...20Eastman2.jpg
If this is what you call having hair then I guess it explains why we can't agree on anything. Hahahaha!
Yes clearly he's dirty, obviously its the root of his success and has nothing to do with guile, skill and being at top for 20 years. The fuck. I can watch any random joe 6 pack over 10 rounds and find something borderline if not "dirty" :bath: . Every weekend. Watch him introduced 50+ times in the ring and we'll be convinced he is the second coming of Fritzie Zivic or Golota themselves.
Ummm. You really need this stuff explained, you're not acting dumb at all. You are really that dumb. Crazy. See Hop in that pic? That is bald. See Eastman, the other guy? That stuff towards top he back of his head is hair. Might not be very stylish, and he may be on his way to losing it, BUT....he isn't bald little buddy. He has hair on his head.Quote:
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Originally Posted by mikeeod
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/522...TVu2YXjQ%3D%3D
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/374...20Eastman2.jpg
If this is what you call having hair then I guess it explains why we can't agree on anything. Hahahaha!
Hopkins is a very dirty fighter, against Calzaghe he was hold and hitting, head butting and
guess what he never gets a warning,! the referees are in love with him.
It may upset people but he should have been disqualified, on many occasions a dirty git
he wins ugly.
I can never say I enjoy watching any fight he's been in win lose or draw, some people
my think he's the dogs, but to me just terrible.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etFNdElo5eQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xv6OL1AIk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRuyPoBKdAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZQ037UyYA8
I completely agree! Bernard is a cheat. I don't know why people love him and praise him. I think it's because aging boxing fans want to feel like they aren't old and useless so they cling to this idea that Bernard is a clean, quality, "old school" boxer... When he's really a dirty cheating scum bag.
He even withheld money from his longtime trainer and senior citizen Bouie Fisher.
Watch this pathetic display by Hopkins. He wrestles, leads with the head, spins the opponent, throws hip punches, nut punches, charges and tackles, rabbit punches, etc...
What a piece of shit! And that embarrassment of a ref!
All great champions bend the rules Hopkins is no different.
Yes, in the sense that he will fudge or push the line as far as he is allowed to. If he has the right referee in there with him (Steve Smogger is a prime example), it can get ridiculous and have me thinking real bad thoughts about both of them.
Imagine fighting with detached thumbs and 4 oz or 6 oz gloves packed with straw against guys like Elbows Mcfadden;D
Speaking of elbows, one of my favourite fighters Winky Wright has one of the best follow through elbows off a hook that I have ever seen.
You put it in to context you get away with it,! you carry on bending the rules lets be blunt
he is shit to watch, a typical round two and a half minutes of holding and hitting, and bitching
to the ref, and may be a few punches just for luck,:vd:.
Truly not a feast for the eyes, he wins yes a Marmite fighter you love or hate him.
I saw that technique about a month ago land with the hook finish with the elbow!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Rocco and @mikeeod you are funny posters but @ruthless rocco you can not accuse Hopkins of drugs without any foundation.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaarQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by Master
Sure I can @Master. I'm applying all my life's experience and the old addage that if it smells like shit and looks like shit and tastes like shit then it's...?
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Originally Posted by erics44Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaarQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Well that is a true statement. We can go all the way back to the turn of the 20th century to the present. I think Ali, Marciano, Holyfield and Wlad are all/were all dirtier then Hopkins.
In addition Hopkins longevity is not evidence of roid use. Its evidence of smarts. The guy has not stopped a fighter in 10 years.
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Originally Posted by Master
Hmm... why not? He does it all the time.
Why change old habits now?
;)
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Originally Posted by mikeeod
There is a lot of misinformation in this post. I respect your knowledge man but this post has many errors.
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Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Hmm... why not? He does it all the time.
Why change old habits now?
;)
Throw around baseless accusations, I mean.
;)
yeah i know its trueQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaarQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Well that is a true statement. We can go all the way back to the turn of the 20th century to the present. I think Ali, Marciano, Holyfield and Wlad are all/were all dirtier then Hopkins.
In addition Hopkins longevity is not evidence of roid use. Its evidence of smarts. The guy has not stopped a fighter in 10 years.
funny thing is its coming from a wlad klit fan, a "great" champion who wouldnt be champion if he didnt hurrendously bend the rules
ill keep preaching :)
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Originally Posted by mikeeod
There is a lot of misinformation in this post. I respect your knowledge man but this post has many errors.
Appreciate you respecting my knowledge, just wondering what errors you are talking about?
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Sure I can @Master. I'm applying all my life's experience and the old addage that if it smells like shit and looks like shit and tastes like shit then it's...?
I'm having a hard time connecting how your experience in looking, smelling and tasting shit translates to this conversation of Hop and PEDs. Also, probably a good idea to keep certain personal habits to yourself...
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Originally Posted by Master
Sure I can @Master. I'm applying all my life's experience and the old addage that if it smells like shit and looks like shit and tastes like shit then it's...?
Fourteen years is nothing to scoff at.
Incredible.
Archie Moore made Hopkins look the fancy boy. Ok so Hopkins is the dirtiest fighter since 2000 lol