Hopkins Moving Down, Eyes Final Bout With a Champion - Boxing News
Wonder who it will be...would froch be motivated in fighting Hopkins? I'd prefer that to Chavez jnr
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Hopkins Moving Down, Eyes Final Bout With a Champion - Boxing News
Wonder who it will be...would froch be motivated in fighting Hopkins? I'd prefer that to Chavez jnr
There's only one option. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
He would kick Bernard's ancient ass.
Then all these stupid threads would be settled forever.
B hop couldn't get to 154 and floyd wouldn't go higher. I don't even think he would go to 154 againQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I had a feeling he might do that. He said he felt like a middle against Kovalev but I just think age finally caught up to him. Dudes a freak though. He was in the gym a day after the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Carl has said he'd love to have a fight in Vegas before he hangs them up. Trouble is outside of the payday, beating this version of Hop does not do much for him. Means about as much as Joe beating Roy. All of the British fans saw what happened Saturday. Kovalev pitched a shut out. Its clear as day that Hop needs to quit. The last time anything even close to that happened to him was over 20 years ago against Jones. Carl might take some flack for beating up Hopkins at this point.
After seeing how impotent Bernard was, I bet Floyd would fight him at 170!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonB hop couldn't get to 154 and floyd wouldn't go higher. I don't even think he would go to 154 againQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Besides, who cares about Bernard now he's shown that he has nothing left. Who would pay to see him fight anyone after that piss poor outing? The only appeal would to see if he can beat a much smaller but faaaaar more talented Mayweather.
The myth of his invincible veneer is gone. Putting him in against Froch or Ward would prove nothing for those guys. If anything they come looking like thugs who beat up an old man.
I'm surprised no one else thought about Andre Ward upon reading this. That's the only realistic option I see.
I think he'll go for Cotto.
floyd would run and bhop would try to pull him in meaning no punches being thrownQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
First thing I thought was Ward. Or...who else has a trinket recently gained at middle :scratchchin: ...someone he may have history with ??? Hmm
I'd honestly shoot my tv if that was made
I'm thinking Golovkin :o Floyd wouldn't fight Hopkins until he was about 65 and then I'd still doubt Mayweather would risk it :p
I wouldn't mind seeing Hopkins-Froch :cool:
Damn lol, that's not a bad shout either man. A Hopkins Taylor rubber match at 168:rolleyes: I'm with you on shooting the TV, but that's a very very winnable fight for Hopkins and has the illusion of being significant, to some people.... maybe... Might make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Ward or Froch wouldn't gain any respect for fighting Hopkins, but I'm sure either would still take it if the payday was right, that is if Ward wants to fight anyone anymore... I can't see Hopkins fancying either of those though, he probably had/has a really good style to fight Froch in theory but I highly doubt he'd be able to throw enough and keep pace anymore.
Anthony Direll or Chavez Jr, are about the only other names I can think of as being somewhat relevant and winnable for the Nard. I'd like to see Jr get the fight if only to see HOpkins go out on a high, and to read the shit thrown at Jr before and after on here:p
Lol I was thinking the same thing. Watch it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
i doubt it would be ward because bhop has said in the past that they are friends and will never fight each other. it could be chavez to get one last big money fight that is very winnable. i dont see bhop taking another fight that isnt a pretty sure win.
Yeah I remember both Ward and Hopkins saying they wouldn't fight, but if they money was right they'd consider it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
I see Hopkins challenging himself again :cool:
At his age, is it realistic to move down 2 weight divisions ? no. so that means SMW. the champions are:
Ward -unlikely for many reasons, Friends , not marketable, Ward's contractual issues, etc.
Dirrell - Maybe, but is it a big enough fight for people to be interested in?
Froch - Bingo! Froch wants a last fight in Vegas - Tick! More kudos than the Chavez fight, even after the weekend - Tick! Froch will believe he can win - Tick! Froch will be fighting a legend and his "Legacy" benefits if he wins. Tick!
from the other side: enough money to make it Worth Hopkins' time. Tick! Froch's Style made for Hopkins. Tick! Hopkins will believe he can win. Tick! Hopkins will become a household name in the UK to even non-boxing fans. Tick!
This is a very makeable fight. the only drawback is will Froch have the balls to risk his cherished "legacy" against a 50 year old that Calzaghe beat 7 or 8 years ago? and when I say "have the balls", I mean mentally , his courage and punch resistance is without question .
This is a better and more meaningful fight than Chavez and if Froch is to fight again, this is the one, but what I would say to Froch is "Be careful what you wish for!"
IMO , HOPKINS WINS ON POINTS! in a similar way to how Ward beat Froch.
from his description it could only be froch or ward
Hopkins doesn't really offer Froch a big money fight. Hopkins is not a PPV fighter, his purse on Saturday was $1m to Kovalev's 500k. Whoever and wherever Froch fights next he's on that combined total minimum. Last time Hopkins was let near a PPV it did 100,000 buys.
Chavez jr's rematch with Vera is the most watched fight in the States this year.
Or the new IBF champion that he has history with.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
super middle?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOr the new IBF champion that he has history with.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
You Know more about Chavez's popularity in the States than me and I realise people would pay to watch him open an Envelope over there. However, if you've seen what Hearn classes as PPV over here, trust me Hopkins vs Froch would be PPV in the UK even if it was in Vegas and shown at 3am British time. And the fact that Hopkins purse was $1m on Saturday is further proof that it could happen because Hearn would guarantee him double that at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Just looked back and noticed you're a brit! sorry for trying to "teach Granny to suck eggs!";DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou Know more about Chavez's popularity in the States than me and I realise people would pay to watch him open an Envelope over there. However, if you've seen what Hearn classes as PPV over here, trust me Hopkins vs Froch would be PPV in the UK even if it was in Vegas and shown at 3am British time. And the fact that Hopkins purse was $1m on Saturday is further proof that it could happen because Hearn would guarantee him double that at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'd love to see him fight Froch or Andre.
Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraJust looked back and noticed you're a brit! sorry for trying to "teach Granny to suck eggs!";DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou Know more about Chavez's popularity in the States than me and I realise people would pay to watch him open an Envelope over there. However, if you've seen what Hearn classes as PPV over here, trust me Hopkins vs Froch would be PPV in the UK even if it was in Vegas and shown at 3am British time. And the fact that Hopkins purse was $1m on Saturday is further proof that it could happen because Hearn would guarantee him double that at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
For sure it would be PPV over here (again - whoever Froch fights next that will be the case) but it wouldn't be in the States. Froch is not PPV in America. The whole idea of fighting Chavez jr is because HE is a PPV attraction with the right opponent, that's where the big purses come from, not the regular shows. I'm sure Hopkins would expect Golden Boy to promote it not Matchroom. If Eddie offered him a wad he'd want to promote it over here, can't see that in Hopkins plans
andre the giant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Floyd is big money...
I hear what you're saying, but I just think that apart from Floyd, for whatever reason (maybe we get mugged a bit) , the big money is just as attainable over here for the rest .Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHa!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraJust looked back and noticed you're a brit! sorry for trying to "teach Granny to suck eggs!";DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYou Know more about Chavez's popularity in the States than me and I realise people would pay to watch him open an Envelope over there. However, if you've seen what Hearn classes as PPV over here, trust me Hopkins vs Froch would be PPV in the UK even if it was in Vegas and shown at 3am British time. And the fact that Hopkins purse was $1m on Saturday is further proof that it could happen because Hearn would guarantee him double that at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
For sure it would be PPV over here (again - whoever Froch fights next that will be the case) but it wouldn't be in the States. Froch is not PPV in America. The whole idea of fighting Chavez jr is because HE is a PPV attraction with the right opponent, that's where the big purses come from, not the regular shows. I'm sure Hopkins would expect Golden Boy to promote it not Matchroom. If Eddie offered him a wad he'd want to promote it over here, can't see that in Hopkins plans
for example , it's widely reported that Froch got £8m ($13m) and Groves £1.5m ($2.5m) for their last fight. if that's the case , who (Including Chavez) earns anything like that ?
I fully take on Board that Chavez is PPV and sells well while Hopkins isn't, but I reckon even if Hearn did a joint promotion with Golden Boy and it was in Vegas , (but PPV in the UK) , that Froch could earn £4m ($6.5m) and Hopkins at least £2m ($3m) .
Better still I reckon they would give Hopkins over £1m to come over here and beat Bellew and Cleverley on the same night! :p
Hopkins has been known to bet on his own fights. He bet on the Tito fight as well as the Tarver fight. Maybe he bet his $1mil against Kovalev and lost it all.
He probably really needs a big payday before retiring.
What about Sturm in Germany?
There is really nothing in it at this stage for the legacy of his opponent no matter who it is and as @Fenster correctly points out, its not that big a fight cash wise either. And if he were to beat you......
The Welsh would have a field day;D
Good luck promoting that one. Everyone in boxing saw what happened. The man has zero left outside his own mind. He never won a round. Any credibility that was left was taken last Saturday. I mean seriously all of a sudden at 50 175 is to big:confused: Thats a rationalization of a deluded mind and almost all greats fall prey to it. "I know I got one more left"
And lol @ Floyd
Other boxing circles are suggesting the Kazak. I just cant see it. He saw what happened and has to much self respect to pick up the bat and hit that horse one more time.
He probably backed Kov and thats why he stunk out the place :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
This is harsh. He was clearly the smaller man v Kov and has no power at the weight. I have no doubt 168 would be a much better weight for him. Saying he had nothing left is just wrong. He comfortably beat Murat, Shumenov and Cloud in his 3 fights previous who are all probably top 20 light heavies. He also beat Pascal who is a top 10 LHW. He just got beat by a better fighter hands down. I dont think age had much to do with the loss and still think a Hopkins of 5 or 10 years ago would have lost to Kov.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Looking at boxrecs top 10 SMW there are plenty who Hopkins would still be trouble for. THe Dirrel brothers, Sturm Stieglitz and Abraham and hed be a nightmare for Chavez Jr.
Harsh? Nah thats reality. With all respect to Kov he is not that good. That is to say to shut out an anywhere near in good boxing health Hopkins. Ironically after all of these years of expecting him to grow old overnight, he actually did at 50. He's done. The demarcation line between 168 and 175 is a few more steaks. Its not as if he's going to melt down at age 50 and then go and find smaller and weaker men. Frochs as big as Kovalev. He's not going to fight just anyone either as stated in the article. He's having an internal scrap with his ego just like Roy and we've all seen what has happened there. He's accumulated 26+ years of hubris. Pepp and Moore also shared that same illness and many others that were nowhere near 3 decades in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThis is harsh. He was clearly the smaller man v Kov and has no power at the weight. I have no doubt 168 would be a much better weight for him. Saying he had nothing left is just wrong. He comfortably beat Murat, Shumenov and Cloud in his 3 fights previous who are all probably top 20 light heavies. He also beat Pascal who is a top 10 LHW. He just got beat by a better fighter hands down. I dont think age had much to do with the loss and still think a Hopkins of 5 or 10 years ago would have lost to Kov.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Looking at boxrecs top 10 SMW there are plenty who Hopkins would still be trouble for. THe Dirrel brothers, Sturm Stieglitz and Abraham and hed be a nightmare for Chavez Jr.
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The problem with going down in weight is that the opponents will be FASTER and 50 year old Bernard will have to cut weight. That's a terrible combination.
He weighed in 173 for the Kov fight. I seriously doubt he cut any weight for the fight. 168 would not be a weight cut that would weaken him. I cant imagine Hopkins walks around more then 180 normallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Whats your logic behind Froch at 168 being as big as Kov at 175 ???Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitHarsh? Nah thats reality. With all respect to Kov he is not that good. That is to say to shut out an anywhere near in good boxing health Hopkins. Ironically after all of these years of expecting him to grow old overnight, he actually did at 50. He's done. The demarcation line between 168 and 175 is a few more steaks. Its not as if he's going to melt down at age 50 and then go and find smaller and weaker men. Frochs as big as Kovalev. He's not going to fight just anyone either as stated in the article. He's having an internal scrap with his ego just like Roy and we've all seen what has happened there. He's accumulated 26+ years of hubris. Pepp and Moore also shared that same illness and many others that were nowhere near 3 decades in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeThis is harsh. He was clearly the smaller man v Kov and has no power at the weight. I have no doubt 168 would be a much better weight for him. Saying he had nothing left is just wrong. He comfortably beat Murat, Shumenov and Cloud in his 3 fights previous who are all probably top 20 light heavies. He also beat Pascal who is a top 10 LHW. He just got beat by a better fighter hands down. I dont think age had much to do with the loss and still think a Hopkins of 5 or 10 years ago would have lost to Kov.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Looking at boxrecs top 10 SMW there are plenty who Hopkins would still be trouble for. THe Dirrel brothers, Sturm Stieglitz and Abraham and hed be a nightmare for Chavez Jr.
He came into the fight at 183 or so. It's not an impossible cut, but for a 50 year old who has been at 175 for the last 10 years or so, even those 7lbs extra could be a bad situation for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
The only reason he would go down in weight is to win a trinket for his legacy. He was a very small middleweight when he fought Oscar. He could do it for the right fight.
Hopkins started as a light-heavyweight and then lived at the gym literally and cut to 160. He maintained 160 by being a gym rat and became a natural middle as a result because he was in fighting shape all of the time. Other mids at the time packed a lot of water and although some may have been heavier at fight time they were not really bigger. In his middleweight prime Hop had about a 2% body fat ratio. That was a lifetime ago in this sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But he's been up way to long and gone to the well to many times my friend. Besides look how he was Saturday. He was absolutely shut out and looked lethargic and gun shy. Shit he looked gun shy against Murat. If he took that kind of weight off at this point he he'd look like Oscar against Manny only worse.
Just stand him up in the ring and nail his feet to the floor. Look at what it did to Dawson.
You are right. It would be a massive mistake for him to try and come down.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitHopkins started as a light-heavyweight and then lived at the gym literally and cut to 160. He maintained 160 by being a gym rat and became a natural middle as a result because he was in fighting shape all of the time. Other mids at the time packed a lot of water and although some may have been heavier at fight time they were not really bigger. In his middleweight prime Hop had about a 2% body fat ratio. That was a lifetime ago in this sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But he's been up way to long and gone to the well to many times my friend. Besides look how he was Saturday. He was absolutely shut out and looked lethargic and gun shy. Shit he looked gun shy against Murat. If he took that kind of weight off at this point he he'd look like Oscar against Manny only worse.
Just stand him up in the ring and nail his feet to the floor. Look at what it did to Dawson.