Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?

Najee Shaheed (16-0-1)

Zoran Vujecic (14-0)

Eliseo Castillo (18-0-1)

Samuel Peter (24-0)

Calvin Brock (29-0)

Sultan Ibragimov (22-0-1)

Ruslan Chagaev (25-0-1)

Mariusz Wach (27-0)

Francesco Pianeta (28-0-1)

Alexander Povetkin (26-0)

Kubrat Pulev (20-0) (assuming he wins)


Not saying those guys are all world beaters, and not saying that being undefeated automatically makes you amazing or better than someone who has a loss, but that does seem like a lot of young, undefeated, hungry guys he's whipped.

Those are 11 opponents with a combined record of 246-0 hahah

As a heavyweight he's also fought a great number of southpaws as well

Pianetta
Thompson x 2
Chagaev
Ibragimov
Byrd x 2
Sanders

Off the top of my head

Dominant.

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

It must also be said that Wach tried to fight Wladimir with the aid of steroids AND a tampered glove!

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

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Now now, some of those guys were good fighters. Sam Peter was a good fighter, Povetkin is good, Chagaev was good.

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It must also be said that Wach tried to fight Wladimir with the aid of steroids AND a tampered glove!

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Dominant.

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

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Now now, some of those guys were good fighters. Sam Peter was a good fighter, Povetkin is good, Chagaev was good.

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but the rest OMG what a world we would be living in.

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

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False logic

Plus if it weren't at least there would have been a championship fight worth watching :)

Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

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Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

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Those guys didn't want to fight him.

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It must also be said that Wach tried to fight Wladimir with the aid of steroids AND a tampered glove!

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

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Now now, some of those guys were good fighters. Sam Peter was a good fighter, Povetkin is good, Chagaev was good.

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Sam Peter who got a gift draw against a 50 pound overweight Toney was definitely a good fighter. Same as povetkin who has literally beaten nobody of worth.

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Same as povetkin who has literally beaten nobody of worth.

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I think povetkin has done pretty good for himself, he beat byrd although this was towards the end of byrds career he gave eddie chambers his first defeat. He had a great fight v huck, that was very close though, he ko'd the unbeated polish fellow early on(I dont know how to spell their names :S) he also had a fairly good win v chagaev and since losing to wlad he has gone on to have two pretty good and entertaining wins with 2 good kos..

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It must also be said that Wach tried to fight Wladimir with the aid of steroids AND a tampered glove!

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Dominant.

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

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Now now, some of those guys were good fighters. Sam Peter was a good fighter, Povetkin is good, Chagaev was good.

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Sam Peter who got a gift draw against a 50 pound overweight Toney was definitely a good fighter. Same as povetkin who has literally beaten nobody of worth.

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Sam Peter was "unbeatable" before Wlad fought him but people seem to forget he became a title holder after that loss

Povetkin is a good fighter. He'll prove himself vs the rest of the division

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It must also be said that Wach tried to fight Wladimir with the aid of steroids AND a tampered glove!

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He has been and if he was not around those guys could have been champion, just think of the horror of that!

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Now now, some of those guys were good fighters. Sam Peter was a good fighter, Povetkin is good, Chagaev was good.

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Sam Peter who got a gift draw against a 50 pound overweight Toney was definitely a good fighter. Same as povetkin who has literally beaten nobody of worth.

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Sam Peter was "unbeatable" before Wlad fought him but people seem to forget he became a title holder after that loss

Povetkin is a good fighter. He'll prove himself vs the rest of the division

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anybody who thought that Peter was unbeatable obviously knew nothing about boxing.

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Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

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Those guys didn't want to fight him.

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Haye and Ibragimov bitched out for sure, but I think Wlad should have stepped on the gas and tried to get them out of there. It was his show and he stunk out the arena.

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Najee Shaheed (16-0-1)

Zoran Vujecic (14-0)

Eliseo Castillo (18-0-1)

Samuel Peter (24-0)

Calvin Brock (29-0)

Sultan Ibragimov (22-0-1)

Ruslan Chagaev (25-0-1)

Mariusz Wach (27-0)

Francesco Pianeta (28-0-1)

Alexander Povetkin (26-0)

Kubrat Pulev (20-0) (assuming he wins)


Not saying those guys are all world beaters, and not saying that being undefeated automatically makes you amazing or better than someone who has a loss, but that does seem like a lot of young, undefeated, hungry guys he's whipped.

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Wlad is heavyweight because there is no decent black heavies fighters around. He is not a bad white fighter by any means but if this was twenty five years ago. He would have been destroyed. In fact I think the likes of Frank Bruno would have beaten him

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Najee Shaheed (16-0-1)

Zoran Vujecic (14-0)

Eliseo Castillo (18-0-1)

Samuel Peter (24-0)

Calvin Brock (29-0)

Sultan Ibragimov (22-0-1)

Ruslan Chagaev (25-0-1)

Mariusz Wach (27-0)

Francesco Pianeta (28-0-1)

Alexander Povetkin (26-0)

Kubrat Pulev (20-0) (assuming he wins)


Not saying those guys are all world beaters, and not saying that being undefeated automatically makes you amazing or better than someone who has a loss, but that does seem like a lot of young, undefeated, hungry guys he's whipped.

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Wlad is heavyweight because there is no decent black heavies fighters around. He is not a bad white fighter by any means but if this was twenty five years ago. He would have been destroyed. In fact I think the likes of Frank Bruno would have beaten him

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Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

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Those guys didn't want to fight him.

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Sure it takes two, Lyle, but Wlad's the champion, the heftier portion of the blame falls on him. Same with Floyd when he coasts to victory or knocks out Ortiz with a cheap shot. They're the million dollar shot callers.

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Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

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Those guys didn't want to fight him.

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Sure it takes two, Lyle, but Wlad's the champion, the heftier portion of the blame falls on him. Same with Floyd when he coasts to victory or knocks out Ortiz with a cheap shot. They're the million dollar shot callers.

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I have to agree. Floyd is boring as fuck, but at least he has the undefeated streak and the cocky personality that draws people in. Wlad has none of that to intrigue people, and people watch the HW division to see action, and when the most eyes are on him he just doesn't provide action.

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Najee Shaheed (16-0-1)

Zoran Vujecic (14-0)

Eliseo Castillo (18-0-1)

Samuel Peter (24-0)

Calvin Brock (29-0)

Sultan Ibragimov (22-0-1)

Ruslan Chagaev (25-0-1)

Mariusz Wach (27-0)

Francesco Pianeta (28-0-1)

Alexander Povetkin (26-0)

Kubrat Pulev (20-0) (assuming he wins)


Not saying those guys are all world beaters, and not saying that being undefeated automatically makes you amazing or better than someone who has a loss, but that does seem like a lot of young, undefeated, hungry guys he's whipped.

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What a woefully misleading fact. Prime example of where stats can sometimes be used to "prove" something that doesn't really exist. The fact that Francesco Pianeta is on that list automatically diminishes whatever importance, if any, that statistic has.

Some of these guys undoubtedly escaped the dreaded "1" in the Loss column by fighting (to that point) bums who were worse than they were. Let's not forget the wide disparity in early records between different up-and-coming fighters. For every Lomachenko, who was thrown to the wolves immediately after turning pro..... you've got probably dozens of Chavez Jr.'s, who only stopped fighting cadavers until well into his pro career.

I am sure the reason dominant fighters such as Wlad/Mayweather/Ali/Hopkins stay at the top because they DONT fight. Throughout history how many sluggers reign champion for years (with a couple of exceptions)? They play a better game of chess and unfortunately for fans the outcome of most fights turn out to be a bore fest. That's just the way it is.

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What a woefully misleading fact. Prime example of where stats can sometimes be used to "prove" something that doesn't really exist. The fact that Francesco Pianeta is on that list automatically diminishes whatever importance, if any, that statistic has.

Some of these guys undoubtedly escaped the dreaded "1" in the Loss column by fighting (to that point) bums who were worse than they were. Let's not forget the wide disparity in early records between different up-and-coming fighters. For every Lomachenko, who was thrown to the wolves immediately after turning pro..... you've got probably dozens of Chavez Jr.'s, who only stopped fighting cadavers until well into his pro career.

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How was it "woefully misleading" when I stated right underneath that having an undefeated record doesn't necessarily mean you were a great fighter, or even that you're better than someone who isn't undefeated?

It's just a statistic.

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Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

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Those guys didn't want to fight him.

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Sure it takes two, Lyle, but Wlad's the champion, the heftier portion of the blame falls on him. Same with Floyd when he coasts to victory or knocks out Ortiz with a cheap shot. They're the million dollar shot callers.

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I have to agree. Floyd is boring as fuck, but at least he has the undefeated streak and the cocky personality that draws people in. Wlad has none of that to intrigue people, and people watch the HW division to see action, and when the most eyes are on him he just doesn't provide action.

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Who is intrigued by Floyds cocky personality or undefeated streak ? I am not a huge Wlad fan but in the majority of his fights he knocks people out or stops them. So your "he just doesn't provide action assertion" is baloney.

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Who is intrigued by Floyds cocky personality or undefeated streak ? I am not a huge Wlad fan but in the majority of his fights he knocks people out or stops them. So your "he just doesn't provide action assertion" is baloney.

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Congrats on condensing more stupid into three sentences than anyone in the history of Saddoboxing.

Who's intrigued by Floyd's personality and undefeated streak? Must be somebody, he just made 32 million and did a million PPV buys fighting a second-rate guy who he had already beaten. Unless you want to claim that he's selling these PPVs with his exciting style??

And it's not the stoppages that make Wlad boring. It's the 8 to 11 rounds of jabbing, grabbing, and holding preceding the stoppage that make Wlad boring.

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Who is intrigued by Floyds cocky personality or undefeated streak ? I am not a huge Wlad fan but in the majority of his fights he knocks people out or stops them. So your "he just doesn't provide action assertion" is baloney.

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Congrats on condensing more stupid into three sentences than anyone in the history of Saddoboxing.

Who's intrigued by Floyd's personality and undefeated streak? Must be somebody, he just made 32 million and did a million PPV buys fighting a second-rate guy who he had already beaten. Unless you want to claim that he's selling these PPVs with his exciting style??

And it's not the stoppages that make Wlad boring. It's the 8 to 11 rounds of jabbing, grabbing, and holding preceding the stoppage that make Wlad boring.

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You can get as personal as you like and pile on the hyperbole but it does nothing to strengthen a flimsy argument. It's the kind of predictable nonsense you are prone to regurgitate and your subtext reads like an open book. Firstly jabbing, grabbing and holding are a huge part of Floyds fights but despite fighting little guys, recently he struggles to finish them with anything even approaching a full stop. Compare their last fights and then suck it up.

Secondly where are most of those buys? Amurrica the object of your Affection, where many wish to see him lose. Why? Not because they are intrigued by his personality but quite the opposite they are sick of the sport being represented by somebody without one. If you have to take photos of yourself with piles of money to make up for your lack of friends, soul or self esteem then in reality you are a huge loser. Sound familiar? :-P

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You can get as personal as you like and pile on the hyperbole but it does nothing to strengthen a flimsy argument. It's the kind of predictable nonsense you are prone to regurgitate and your subtext reads like an open book. Firstly jabbing, grabbing and holding are a huge part of Floyds fights but despite fighting little guys, recently he struggles to finish them with anything even approaching a full stop. Compare their last fights and then suck it up.

Secondly where are most of those buys? Amurrica the object of your Affection, where many wish to see him lose. Why? Not because they are intrigued by his personality but quite the opposite they are sick of the sport being represented by somebody without one. If you have to take photos of yourself with piles of money to make up for your lack of friends, soul or self esteem then in reality you are a huge loser. Sound familiar? :-P

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I get personal with you because you're a dumb guy. I debate and go hard with guys here all the time but it's never personal, because it's mostly just opinion and conjecture, so it is what it is. You, on the other hand, have a long history of being unable to grasp simple concepts and arguing "points" that go against indisputable facts. And when you get called on it, you cry like a girl that people are getting "personal" with you. So what? Grow some balls.

Your entire post either bolstered my argument, or had nothing to do with it.

Intrigued: arouse the curiosity or interest of; fascinate.

Floyd's personality, I think it's safe to say, has aroused the interest of the general public. It doesn't mean they like him, it means they are interested in him. You say people tune in because they hate him and want to see him get his ass kicked... thanks for agreeing with me.

I don't know what Floyd being boring has to do with anything. Floyd is a boring fighter, I never said he was exciting. Wlad also usually fights in an ugly, boring fashion. Are you saying compared to Floyd he's exciting? I have no idea what you're trying to argue.

Wvlad should be high on the P4p lists and the people that exclude him can't know their boxing.

The stats don't lie. Yet another top unbeaten contender beaten effortlessly, approaching a decade of domination and not a man on the planet that can test him. Can't say that about anyone else

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You can get as personal as you like and pile on the hyperbole but it does nothing to strengthen a flimsy argument. It's the kind of predictable nonsense you are prone to regurgitate and your subtext reads like an open book. Firstly jabbing, grabbing and holding are a huge part of Floyds fights but despite fighting little guys, recently he struggles to finish them with anything even approaching a full stop. Compare their last fights and then suck it up.

Secondly where are most of those buys? Amurrica the object of your Affection, where many wish to see him lose. Why? Not because they are intrigued by his personality but quite the opposite they are sick of the sport being represented by somebody without one. If you have to take photos of yourself with piles of money to make up for your lack of friends, soul or self esteem then in reality you are a huge loser. Sound familiar? :-P

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I get personal with you because you're a dumb guy. I debate and go hard with guys here all the time but it's never personal, because it's mostly just opinion and conjecture, so it is what it is. You, on the other hand, have a long history of being unable to grasp simple concepts and arguing "points" that go against indisputable facts. And when you get called on it, you cry like a girl that people are getting "personal" with you. So what? Grow some balls.

Your entire post either bolstered my argument, or had nothing to do with it.

Intrigued: arouse the curiosity or interest of; fascinate.

Floyd's personality, I think it's safe to say, has aroused the interest of the general public. It doesn't mean they like him, it means they are interested in him. You say people tune in because they hate him and want to see him get his ass kicked... thanks for agreeing with me.

I don't know what Floyd being boring has to do with anything. Floyd is a boring fighter, I never said he was exciting. Wlad also usually fights in an ugly, boring fashion. Are you saying compared to Floyd he's exciting? I have no idea what you're trying to argue.

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Compare their last fights. Floyd is incapable of closing the show. 12 Rounds of jabbing,grabbing and holding sums him up well recently. You are obsessed with him.

the answer to the thread title could well be yes

what is an undoubtable fact is that Wlad had cuddled more undefeated fighters than any one else

Wlad deserves credit for being a "champion" for a decade but - without meaning to be a boring repetitive cunt - he never had to face the other best "champion" of his era, who helped him clean out the division.

It adds a question mark, no?

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Wlad deserves credit for being a "champion" for a decade but - without meaning to be a boring repetitive cunt - he never had to face the other best "champion" of his era, who helped him clean out the division.

It adds a question mark, no?

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I don't really rate Vitali all that highly in his come back. He wasn't the same fighter. Wladimir has fought anyone and everyone and he's got a few more to go but if Pulev was the best it makes you wonder how anyone else will do. Wlad didn't even take Pulev seriously, he didn't respect his power or his boxing ability Wlad just got angry when Pulev connected then blasted him.

Got to be Don King ;D.

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Wlad deserves credit for being a "champion" for a decade but - without meaning to be a boring repetitive cunt - he never had to face the other best "champion" of his era, who helped him clean out the division.

It adds a question mark, no?

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I don't really rate Vitali all that highly in his come back. He wasn't the same fighter. Wladimir has fought anyone and everyone and he's got a few more to go but if Pulev was the best it makes you wonder how anyone else will do. Wlad didn't even take Pulev seriously, he didn't respect his power or his boxing ability Wlad just got angry when Pulev connected then blasted him.

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Anyone and everyone apart from the competiton his brother - who was the 2nd best, maybe even his equal, during his reign, regardless of whether or not he was past his prime - wiped out.

It's a shame Wlad hasn't shown more of the vicious streak he did against Pulev. Nice to see him in a fight that was worth watching twice.

even tho the fight had more entertainment in it than all his other fights put together it still summed him up to a tee

he held on for dear life for a minute, landed the finishing punch with the first punch he threw, then the fight still lasted 5 rounds

People complain about clinching still, but what is funny is they don't see any relation to clinching and boxing smart.

Bernard Hopkins for his entire career has fought in this manner, Andre Ward since he decided to NOT copy RJJ has been fighting this way, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been utilizing clinching as well.

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People complain about clinching still, but what is funny is they don't see any relation to clinching and boxing smart.

Bernard Hopkins for his entire career has fought in this manner, Andre Ward since he decided to NOT copy RJJ has been fighting this way, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been utilizing clinching as well.

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ha, its certainly smart

hes made millions and millions for pounds by clinching, holding and leaning

andre ward punches then clinches and despite being know as the best technician at his weight and lb4lb top 2 or 3, due to his fighting style, he makes little money to what youd expect?

hopkins grapples and punches, hes the oldest boxer to hold a world title, defended his middle weight title 20 times, still fighting the best at 50 years old, yet he is nowehere near pay per view, probably because of his style?

Wlad clinches, holds leans, holds, clinches and then punches, has a style vastly less interesting than hopkins or ward, gets endless favours off referees during his fights that only make his fights massively less interesting, yet he makes millions every time he fights, its a strange situation

If people from other eras lived in this coddled one most of them would be undefeated also. People laugh at other hev eras and then try to justify this one.

Its incredible to me that it took the champion of the world to expose this three toed sloth. And look at the stellar lineup that the next possible WBC champ has faced. And should Wlad beat that hand fed puppet it will go down as the biggest thing since Ali/Frazier 1.

In the end history judges what you accomplished in the era you fought in. The "0" especially in this era of heavyweights is false advertisement.

Wlad does not have one opponent on his lodge pole that will even make it to the ballet in the HOF.
Most of his opponents will be viewed and rightly so as just that, opponents.

Wlad through no fault of his own, has dominated mediocrity. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

Wlad has been a Great for a while now...people will start to begrudgingly give him more and more credit as his career winds down the same way Lennox Lewis was only starting to get appreciated at the end of his career.

Sure the heavyweight division (and boxing in general) is full of guys who care more about the 0 than anything else. But here's the downside....keep that 0 and maybe you never get tested, maybe you never learn the faults in your style until it's too late, maybe you never improve, maybe you aren't getting fully prepared for The Champion...and you see it all over Pulev....the lack of class he showed Wlad outside the ring, the foolishness he showed IN the ring trying to mock Wlad after Wlad knocked him down right away...The Sauerland's got in Kubrat's head, they had him thinking this was going to be easy and Wlad was a chump....no such luck.

Fights are taking place that are better for the division Wilder-Stiverne, Fury-Chisora II, but these challengers need to be consistent in training and in the ring or else Wlad will just dismantle them like he's done to everyone else in the division for the past 10 years

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If people from other eras lived in this coddled one most of them would be undefeated also. People laugh at other hev eras and then try to justify this one.

Its incredible to me that it took the champion of the world to expose this three toed sloth. And look at the stellar lineup that the next possible WBC champ has faced. And should Wlad beat that hand fed puppet it will go down as the biggest thing since Ali/Frazier 1.

In the end history judges what you accomplished in the era you fought in. The "0" especially in this era of heavyweights is false advertisement.

Wlad does not have one opponent on his lodge pole that will even make it to the ballet in the HOF.
Most of his opponents will be viewed and rightly so as just that, opponents.

Wlad through no fault of his own, has dominated mediocrity. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

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i totally agree but im not sure he has dominated in the true sense of the word

the word dominate suggest a much more masterful agressive forward thinking approach

wlads style is dull and unconvincing and he is given a lot of reason by the referees and officials due to the crowds and money he attracts

there arent many other fighters using his style would be allowed to get away with it