Floyd not fighting Pacquaio will bother him for the rest of his life

Regardless of the undefeated record, the millions of dollars made, or whose at fault for the fight not happening, the fact is that it didn't happen. I believe this will irritate Floyd despite what he says.

undefeated my asshole, castillo beat floyd and so did maidana in the first fight. floyd dont care about legacy. he wants that green and will do anything to keep his fake ass undefeated record. including paying off refs/judges and staying in vegas!!! LAME.

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undefeated my asshole, castillo beat floyd and so did maidana in the first fight. floyd dont care about legacy. he wants that green and will do anything to keep his fake ass undefeated record. including paying off refs/judges and staying in vegas!!! LAME.

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Hahahaha! I'm sure your assholes been defeated plenty. Offered up voluntarily even.

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undefeated my asshole, castillo beat floyd and so did maidana in the first fight. floyd dont care about legacy. he wants that green and will do anything to keep his fake ass undefeated record. including paying off refs/judges and staying in vegas!!! LAME.

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Hahahaha! I'm sure your assholes been defeated plenty. Offered up voluntarily even.

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leave his asshole alone.

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undefeated my asshole, castillo beat floyd and so did maidana in the first fight. floyd dont care about legacy. he wants that green and will do anything to keep his fake ass undefeated record. including paying off refs/judges and staying in vegas!!! LAME.

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Lol maidana beat floyd ? I cannot take your serious with statements like that.

If floyd don't fight pacman it will be what's he's most remembered for IMO it will overshadow everything he has accomplished in the ring. I'm a huge floyd fan but if that fight don't happen I blame floyd more than pacman and arum.

Meh it comes down on both guys. People love to take sides, I say BOTH guys were prima donna douche bags and BOTH guys cheated the boxing world out of what would have been the most important fight of this generation. Even if they do fight, it won't be the same. In 2009-2010, both guys were firing on all cylinders. Now Pacquiao has been brutally KO'd and Floyd has shown signs of slowing down with age. The opportunity was missed and it can't be recaptured.

But in the end, Floyd went on to stay undefeated and make record-setting purses. Pacquiao dropped two in a row, including a brutal KO loss, and went into financial crisis. In the end, Manny needed the fight more than Floyd.

...and Pacquioa's accomplishments will always be suspect because he refused PED testing for lame reasons, and threw away $50 million in the process.

I don't think there can be any question in any reasonable mind that Pac was dodging the drug test. There was that whole issue of his camp contacting Floyd's camp and asking 1. What the penalty of testing positive would be and 2. If a positive test could be hidden from the public to preserve the integrity of the fight and of boxing. Doesn't sound like questions a non-PED user would ask. I find it kind of curious, too, that since those PED allegations came out, Manny (who had like 4 or 5 brutal knockouts leading up to it) hasn't scored a stoppage since. Almost like something changed... but again that's just conjecture.

People dogged Floyd hard for proposing olympic style drug testing, asking who the fuck he was to demand such outrageous testing, but history shows that he was ahead of his time because now the NSAC has started randomly drug testing the athletes and they've been busting a ton of people for abusing PEDs and testosterone replacement therapy, which has now been banned. It's a big reason IMO why you see certain guys who don't fight in Vegas anymore.

Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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HAHA.... that's a pretty poor excuse.

Fact of the matter is Floyd was the one who brought the big money to the table. Without him Manny couldn't earn anywhere near the same payday. So it's his right to dictate one simple term.

Floyd is the clean fighter and knew Manny was dirty. So his one term was that the fight be fair and that there be random PED testing. Manny couldn't agree to that because he is a cheat.

Floyd knows, like all reasonable and intelligent people know that the testing for boxers in inadequate and that fighters are being allowed to fight while using an assortment of PEDs. He's the one putting his life on the line and if he has the power to say "I'm not willing to chance my health to fight a guy I know is cheating" then more power to him.

If Pacquiao wasn't cheating then there would have been no problem with the increased testing leading up to the fight. In fact, he and Mayweather would have been heralded as leaders -- voluntarily working together as the two highest P4P fighters trying to clean up the sport. Manny threw that and $50 million away!

It's really quite simple. A cheat is a cheat.

Floyd cheats every fight numbing his hands. He should have an asterisk next to his name in the hof. Fact is, acceptable testing is acceptable. I would have told Floyd to go screw as well. I give Manny credit for not allowing Floyd to add stipulations.

I don't think it will, Floyd don't care. The only life it'll have is from his detractors and critics and more importantly fans who simply wanted a super fight between two divas.

They both share the blame equally along with the dorks that surround them. They will both have to wrestle with it after all is said and done. If history and historians are fair on the whole then both will share the blame in their eyes also.

Despite my comments I admire Floyd, as a boxing fan how can you not. I am more of a Manny fan, he strikes me as a little more real and in touch which I attribute to the life he had growing up. In all honesty I think this fight is still going to happen. Floyd senior made a comment that he thinks Manny has slowed enough where Floyd could easily beat him. Let's face it, both these guys have a business machine behind them and in the end neither side is going to walk away from what might be the biggest payday in boxing history. The problem is whoever wins or loses fans will be saying, well, if it happened ten years ago such and such would have happened but, and write this down, I am willing to bet Brocks left testicle the fight takes place next year and the hype will be like nothing we have seen. I'll even throw in miles right testicle and masters porn collection to show how sure I am this fight will happen.

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Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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I agree that cortisone should be banned, but in Vegas it isn't so what can you do?

I don't fault Floyd for adding that drug testing because the AC's have a horrible record of catching cheats and protecting athletes. So many guys have gone through careers without testing positive for PEDs, then the FBI busts a steroid ring and finds their names all over receipts for steroids. Using for years and never caught. Then you have guys like Tito and Margarito who tried to bring in doctored gloves, and would have got away with it had they not been caught by Naazim Richardson. Then you have a guy like Resto who used doctored gloves to nearly kill a guy, and would have gotten away with it if Billy Collin's dad hadn't caught Resto after the fight.

Taking steroids to run faster or jump higher is one thing, but when you're using them to aid you in trying to beat someone unconscious, that's another thing. Can't blame guys like Floyd who wanted to make sure the playing field was even.

And of course he had good reason to put it in place, because he knew Manny was cheating.

I don't think so. Floyd values money more than legacy, and he has made plenty. He wants to keep the undefeated streak more than searching for the biggest fights/wins available. He can live with that, knowing that his fans will come up with every excuse imaginable and try to deflect, so what does he really lose? When he isn't ranked as high as he feels he should be (TBE??????), he will cry about the haters and probably blame race (even though the guy has made more homophobic and racist statements than any other top athlete in recent memory). I have to add though: I think he will go down, without a doubt, as one of the top skilled boxers ever. I have him, skill wise, right there with Sweet Pea, Hearns, Hagler, Toney, Hopkins, Ricardo Lopez, Rigo...etc. The guy is talented, but his boxing mind and skills/knowledge of the sport is more impressive to me.

Pbf imo either is too vein or too simple to care.

Owner of this thread could be proven right if historians pump up Bradley, Rios & Jmm as having the balls to do what Pbf didnt': fight Pac

Obviously you guy haven't seen him make a scene over a women not knowing who he was. It doesn't like to show it but yes it bothers him he has a big ego and deep down its going to bother for him forever.

But it was Pacquiao that ducked Floyd by refusing the testing!

Floyd can spend the rest of his life satisfied with the knowledge that he did the right thing by not fighting a drug using cheat.

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Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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I agree that cortisone should be banned, but in Vegas it isn't so what can you do?

I don't fault Floyd for adding that drug testing because the AC's have a horrible record of catching cheats and protecting athletes. So many guys have gone through careers without testing positive for PEDs, then the FBI busts a steroid ring and finds their names all over receipts for steroids. Using for years and never caught. Then you have guys like Tito and Margarito who tried to bring in doctored gloves, and would have got away with it had they not been caught by Naazim Richardson. Then you have a guy like Resto who used doctored gloves to nearly kill a guy, and would have gotten away with it if Billy Collin's dad hadn't caught Resto after the fight.

Taking steroids to run faster or jump higher is one thing, but when you're using them to aid you in trying to beat someone unconscious, that's another thing. Can't blame guys like Floyd who wanted to make sure the playing field was even.

And of course he had good reason to put it in place, because he knew Manny was cheating.

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So, if I understand your point of view, it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands because it is legal in Vegas, but the legally required PED testing that Manny agreed to follow isn't good enough? So basically, Floyd should just dictate terms to other fighters and it is fair. Whatever he comes up with, it is fair. Floyd is bigger than the Nevada Athletic Committee. In your unbiased opinion it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands as is allowed by Nevada, but it isn't ok/good enough for Manny to subject himself to the tests as required by Nevada. Seems like a logical and unbiased argument. Great point...

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Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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I agree that cortisone should be banned, but in Vegas it isn't so what can you do?

I don't fault Floyd for adding that drug testing because the AC's have a horrible record of catching cheats and protecting athletes. So many guys have gone through careers without testing positive for PEDs, then the FBI busts a steroid ring and finds their names all over receipts for steroids. Using for years and never caught. Then you have guys like Tito and Margarito who tried to bring in doctored gloves, and would have got away with it had they not been caught by Naazim Richardson. Then you have a guy like Resto who used doctored gloves to nearly kill a guy, and would have gotten away with it if Billy Collin's dad hadn't caught Resto after the fight.

Taking steroids to run faster or jump higher is one thing, but when you're using them to aid you in trying to beat someone unconscious, that's another thing. Can't blame guys like Floyd who wanted to make sure the playing field was even.

And of course he had good reason to put it in place, because he knew Manny was cheating.

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So, if I understand your point of view, it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands because it is legal in Vegas, but the legally required PED testing that Manny agreed to follow isn't good enough? So basically, Floyd should just dictate terms to other fighters and it is fair. Whatever he comes up with, it is fair. Floyd is bigger than the Nevada Athletic Committee. In your unbiased opinion it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands as is allowed by Nevada, but it isn't ok/good enough for Manny to subject himself to the tests as required by Nevada. Seems like a logical and unbiased argument. Great point...

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Thanks Mike, you said it more clearly than I.

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Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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I agree that cortisone should be banned, but in Vegas it isn't so what can you do?

I don't fault Floyd for adding that drug testing because the AC's have a horrible record of catching cheats and protecting athletes. So many guys have gone through careers without testing positive for PEDs, then the FBI busts a steroid ring and finds their names all over receipts for steroids. Using for years and never caught. Then you have guys like Tito and Margarito who tried to bring in doctored gloves, and would have got away with it had they not been caught by Naazim Richardson. Then you have a guy like Resto who used doctored gloves to nearly kill a guy, and would have gotten away with it if Billy Collin's dad hadn't caught Resto after the fight.

Taking steroids to run faster or jump higher is one thing, but when you're using them to aid you in trying to beat someone unconscious, that's another thing. Can't blame guys like Floyd who wanted to make sure the playing field was even.

And of course he had good reason to put it in place, because he knew Manny was cheating.

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So, if I understand your point of view, it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands because it is legal in Vegas, but the legally required PED testing that Manny agreed to follow isn't good enough? So basically, Floyd should just dictate terms to other fighters and it is fair. Whatever he comes up with, it is fair. Floyd is bigger than the Nevada Athletic Committee. In your unbiased opinion it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands as is allowed by Nevada, but it isn't ok/good enough for Manny to subject himself to the tests as required by Nevada. Seems like a logical and unbiased argument. Great point...

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Thanks Mike, you said it more clearly than I.

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Man, I usually try to stay away from the trio that makes these inconsistent posts because we will never agree. It will constantly go in circles and they will constantly shift/deflect the conversation once their bias starts really coming out. The past two days have been crazy though. A couple of the guys who usually post pretty decent points are sounding almost exactly like the two who are obvious trolls. Anyways, it keeps the forum interesting and everyone is entitled to their opinions, I just haven't seen guys write paragraphs out that so blatantly contradict themselves...

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Manny agreed to the standard drug testing that all boxers go through pre and post fight. Screw Floyd for adding stipulations, his hands are loaded with cortisone, that to me is cheating.

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I agree that cortisone should be banned, but in Vegas it isn't so what can you do?

I don't fault Floyd for adding that drug testing because the AC's have a horrible record of catching cheats and protecting athletes. So many guys have gone through careers without testing positive for PEDs, then the FBI busts a steroid ring and finds their names all over receipts for steroids. Using for years and never caught. Then you have guys like Tito and Margarito who tried to bring in doctored gloves, and would have got away with it had they not been caught by Naazim Richardson. Then you have a guy like Resto who used doctored gloves to nearly kill a guy, and would have gotten away with it if Billy Collin's dad hadn't caught Resto after the fight.

Taking steroids to run faster or jump higher is one thing, but when you're using them to aid you in trying to beat someone unconscious, that's another thing. Can't blame guys like Floyd who wanted to make sure the playing field was even.

And of course he had good reason to put it in place, because he knew Manny was cheating.

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So, if I understand your point of view, it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands because it is legal in Vegas, but the legally required PED testing that Manny agreed to follow isn't good enough? So basically, Floyd should just dictate terms to other fighters and it is fair. Whatever he comes up with, it is fair. Floyd is bigger than the Nevada Athletic Committee. In your unbiased opinion it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands as is allowed by Nevada, but it isn't ok/good enough for Manny to subject himself to the tests as required by Nevada. Seems like a logical and unbiased argument. Great point...

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Thanks Mike, you said it more clearly than I.

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Floyd is perfectly within his rights to make demands while negotiating the terms of a fight.
Every fighter is allowed to do this. If the opponents don't reach an agreement then there should be no fight.
It's quite simple.
It's not a double standard.
Floyd isn't getting away with anything. He's simply stating that the condition for him to fight Pacquiao was for there to be random testing.

How can you disagree with that @mikeeod @walrus ? Where's the controversy?

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So, if I understand your point of view, it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands because it is legal in Vegas, but the legally required PED testing that Manny agreed to follow isn't good enough? So basically, Floyd should just dictate terms to other fighters and it is fair. Whatever he comes up with, it is fair. Floyd is bigger than the Nevada Athletic Committee. In your unbiased opinion it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands as is allowed by Nevada, but it isn't ok/good enough for Manny to subject himself to the tests as required by Nevada. Seems like a logical and unbiased argument. Great point...

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Well I said in my post that I think cortisone should be banned, but my opinion is irrelevant because it's technically legal. Yeah, if someone does something within the rules, it generally falls under the category of "OK".

I gave you good reason as to why a fighter might require additional testing: the athletic commissions have a long history of not catching cheats.

On the subject of extracurricular demands, didn't Manny demand that with every pound Mayweather way weigh in over the limit, Floyd would have to fork over 5 million dollars, or something along those lines? So don't act like Floyd was the only one trying to dictate terms.

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Thanks Mike, you said it more clearly than I.

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Don't thank him. He insinuated there was some kind of hypocrisy in engaging in an activity that was within the rules and demanding that the commission do more to bust people from engaging in activity that is against the rules.

It's a non-point raised by a moron.

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So, if I understand your point of view, it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands because it is legal in Vegas, but the legally required PED testing that Manny agreed to follow isn't good enough? So basically, Floyd should just dictate terms to other fighters and it is fair. Whatever he comes up with, it is fair. Floyd is bigger than the Nevada Athletic Committee. In your unbiased opinion it is ok for Floyd to numb his hands as is allowed by Nevada, but it isn't ok/good enough for Manny to subject himself to the tests as required by Nevada. Seems like a logical and unbiased argument. Great point...

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Well I said in my post that I think cortisone should be banned, but my opinion is irrelevant because it's technically legal. Yeah, if someone does something within the rules, it generally falls under the category of "OK".

I gave you good reason as to why a fighter might require additional testing: the athletic commissions have a long history of not catching cheats.

On the subject of extracurricular demands, didn't Manny demand that with every pound Mayweather way weigh in over the limit, Floyd would have to fork over 5 million dollars, or something along those lines? So don't act like Floyd was the only one trying to dictate terms.

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Let me try and break it down Barney style for you, as I can see you are getting even more poopy pants as your bias becomes more apparent. The rules are: numbing injections for the hands allowed and no usage of PEDs with a specific testing criteria to ensure that each boxer has remained "clean". Both of those are ok. By your definition, boxers adhering to both of those sets of criteria are ok. So, Floyd was in the wrong for trying to impart greater/different criteria on Manny, which made the fight fall apart. Beyond this argument though, I seem to remember Manny agreeing to the testing stipulations and Floyd still balking at the fight.

Floyd is perfectly within his rights to make demands while negotiating the terms of a fight.
Every fighter is allowed to do this. If the opponents don't reach an agreement then there should be no fight.
It's quite simple.
It's not a double standard.
Floyd isn't getting away with anything. He's simply stating that the condition for him to fight Pacquiao was for there to be random testing.

How can you disagree with that @mikeeod @walrus ? Where's the controversy?

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Regardless of the undefeated record, the millions of dollars made, or whose at fault for the fight not happening, the fact is that it didn't happen. I believe this will irritate Floyd despite what he says.

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Floyd does not care either way.

He is minted with or without pacman.

Bob blames floyd and floyd blames bob.

If pac never signed another contract with bob then it would have happened but pac chose bob...over floyd.

Remember floyd is on the A side and can demand what he wants...

Drug testing for both fighters should NOT have been an issue.

Oscar told floyd how high to jump and floyd obeyed and STILL beat him.

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Despite my comments I admire Floyd, as a boxing fan how can you not. I am more of a Manny fan, he strikes me as a little more real and in touch which I attribute to the life he had growing up. In all honesty I think this fight is still going to happen. Floyd senior made a comment that he thinks Manny has slowed enough where Floyd could easily beat him. Let's face it, both these guys have a business machine behind them and in the end neither side is going to walk away from what might be the biggest payday in boxing history. The problem is whoever wins or loses fans will be saying, well, if it happened ten years ago such and such would have happened but, and write this down, I am willing to bet Brocks left testicle the fight takes place next year and the hype will be like nothing we have seen. I'll even throw in miles right testicle and masters porn collection to show how sure I am this fight will happen.

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Fair enough but if it happened 5 or 10 years ago the result would have still been the same.

Are we to believe that if it was 5 years ago floyd just stayed the same age at 37 and wouldnt be better?

Everyone seems to think because manny MIGHT have been better 5 years ago floyd just gets stuck in time and wouldnt be the same fighter whooping an undefeated hatton.

Shall we even bring up the 2 year retirement to come back and school a legend in marquez!!!

Think manny could take off 2 years and do that to marquez?!!!!

Come on!!!

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Despite my comments I admire Floyd, as a boxing fan how can you not. I am more of a Manny fan, he strikes me as a little more real and in touch which I attribute to the life he had growing up. In all honesty I think this fight is still going to happen. Floyd senior made a comment that he thinks Manny has slowed enough where Floyd could easily beat him. Let's face it, both these guys have a business machine behind them and in the end neither side is going to walk away from what might be the biggest payday in boxing history. The problem is whoever wins or loses fans will be saying, well, if it happened ten years ago such and such would have happened but, and write this down, I am willing to bet Brocks left testicle the fight takes place next year and the hype will be like nothing we have seen. I'll even throw in miles right testicle and masters porn collection to show how sure I am this fight will happen.

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Fair enough but if it happened 5 or 10 years ago the result would have still been the same.

Are we to believe that if it was 5 years ago floyd just stayed the same age at 37 and wouldnt be better?

Everyone seems to think because manny MIGHT have been better 5 years ago floyd just gets stuck in time and wouldnt be the same fighter whooping an undefeated hatton.

Shall we even bring up the 2 year retirement to come back and school a legend in marquez!!!

Think manny could take off 2 years and do that to marquez?!!!!

Come on!!!

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Stop right there. If you actually think Floyds win over Marquez has any credibility then you seriously are delusional and very biased. Making Marquez jump up two weight classes and fight at a weight he has never fought at before is just as bad as Pacs win over De La Hoya at 147. Not to mention that Floyd didn't even try to make weight.

Floyd is perfectly within his rights to make demands while negotiating the terms of a fight.
Every fighter is allowed to do this. If the opponents don't reach an agreement then there should be no fight.
It's quite simple.
It's not a double standard.
Floyd isn't getting away with anything. He's simply stating that the condition for him to fight Pacquiao was for there to be random testing.

How can you disagree with that @mikeeod @walrus ? Where's the controversy?

You two vaginas have no response to this so you just gonna avoid answering...?

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Despite my comments I admire Floyd, as a boxing fan how can you not. I am more of a Manny fan, he strikes me as a little more real and in touch which I attribute to the life he had growing up. In all honesty I think this fight is still going to happen. Floyd senior made a comment that he thinks Manny has slowed enough where Floyd could easily beat him. Let's face it, both these guys have a business machine behind them and in the end neither side is going to walk away from what might be the biggest payday in boxing history. The problem is whoever wins or loses fans will be saying, well, if it happened ten years ago such and such would have happened but, and write this down, I am willing to bet Brocks left testicle the fight takes place next year and the hype will be like nothing we have seen. I'll even throw in miles right testicle and masters porn collection to show how sure I am this fight will happen.

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Fair enough but if it happened 5 or 10 years ago the result would have still been the same.

Are we to believe that if it was 5 years ago floyd just stayed the same age at 37 and wouldnt be better?

Everyone seems to think because manny MIGHT have been better 5 years ago floyd just gets stuck in time and wouldnt be the same fighter whooping an undefeated hatton.

Shall we even bring up the 2 year retirement to come back and school a legend in marquez!!!

Think manny could take off 2 years and do that to marquez?!!!!

Come on!!!

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Stop right there. If you actually think Floyds win over Marquez has any credibility then you seriously are delusional and very biased. Making Marquez jump up two weight classes and fight at a weight he has never fought at before is just as bad as Pacs win over De La Hoya at 147. Not to mention that Floyd didn't even try to make weight.

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Dropping weight to fight is much harder than gaining weight to fight.

Floyd had a two year lay off!

He could have had four fights and over 100 million in the bank!

Name another current fighter today that had a 2 year long lay off and came back to fight a £4£ fighter as a first fight and made it look sooooo easy.

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Floyd is perfectly within his rights to make demands while negotiating the terms of a fight.
Every fighter is allowed to do this. If the opponents don't reach an agreement then there should be no fight.
It's quite simple.
It's not a double standard.
Floyd isn't getting away with anything. He's simply stating that the condition for him to fight Pacquiao was for there to be random testing.

How can you disagree with that @mikeeod @walrus ? Where's the controversy?

You two vaginas have no response to this so you just gonna avoid answering...?

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@mikeeod @walrus Nothing to say? No rebuttal? Wow! I'm amazed!

I think we both stated our case. None of us were at the table when these negotiations took place so I often wonder about the accuracy of some of the statements that are repeated. Believe it or not I can see your point of view, I still think I am right but I would not call you an idiot for your statements as they are not coming out of left field. We are all in the dark as both sides have reported different things and hundreds of commentators have spouted different ideas. We have to go with our gut, sound fair?

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I think we both stated our case. None of us were at the table when these negotiations took place so I often wonder about the accuracy of some of the statements that are repeated. Believe it or not I can see your point of view, I still think I am right but I would not call you an idiot for your statements as they are not coming out of left field. We are all in the dark as both sides have reported different things and hundreds of commentators have spouted different ideas. We have to go with our gut, sound fair?

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I'm glad you agree with me.

No matter how much money Floyd makes he will forever be asked why he did not fight Manny. He will take that question until he dies.

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No matter how much money Floyd makes he will forever be asked why he did not fight Manny. He will take that question until he dies.

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Floyd will answer that he gave Manny every opportunity to take the fight with the one provision that Manny be clean for their fight and prove it by being tested for drugs in advance of the fight.

The real question is why Manny turned down $50 million if he was a clean fighter.

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No matter how much money Floyd makes he will forever be asked why he did not fight Manny. He will take that question until he dies.

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Floyd will answer that he gave Manny every opportunity to take the fight with the one provision that Manny be clean for their fight and prove it by being tested for drugs in advance of the fight.

The real question is why Manny turned down $50 million if he was a clean fighter.

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Does not matter about the answer. The fact is they never fought and that is what people will remember.