NFL vs RUGBY..which one has the bigger balls?

I played a bit of rugby in my school days but I find NFL a tad cooler

These are both physical games but very similar but surely rugby is alot more hardcore than the NFL? (No protection)

England seem to have football as their main sport (rugby 2nd?) and the americans seem to worship the NFL (basketball 2nd?)

Apart from maybe not understanding it what makes NFL so attractive to the americans and rugby so loved by the english and could each country (or why) did they never adopt each others sport.?

Imp

All the "protection" in the NFL does is allow for/cause players to hit harder. Think of it like bareknuckle boxing vs boxing with gloves...both are brutal, but that little addition of protection will have you punching harder because you are thinking "Well I won't break my hands now, I feel like I can punch through a brick wall"....well that's the feeling football pads and a helmet give you.

I respect competitors of both sports they are very tough

This again.

Here we go....

As Lyle says respect is due to both.
The pads don't necessarily make it easier/softer.

I would say Rugby players have more cuts, blood spilt, concussions. But NFL players probably have more 'major' injuries like neck damage (although there are numerous incidents of broken necks and spines in Rugby).

Rugby, it isnt even close. The evidence is overwhelming.

Both a tough, brutal sports.

I guess if you want to generalize, you can go with rugby (no padding, less money, constant GO GO GO as opposed to stopping after plays).

Neither sport is for pussies.

Lyle makes a good point.

Let's move away from the superficial similarities, these are two very different sports with very different rules and tactics. Both are tough sports.

However, if you want to look at the very best then, with all due respect, you shouldn't be looking at England. You should be looking at New Zealand and South Africa. Many of the best NFL players have Polynesian or Maori heritage too.

Regarding the protection, I suspect that Lyles point holds true and it gives people more misplaced confidence ...... The problem with that is many NFL players can't actually tackle properly, as they never really had to learn it.

I would suggest that taking a proper, lined-up hit from a rugby player would be more devastating because much more body weight and technique is applied. Having protection probably favours the tackler, especially if they just launch themselves at people ..... More rugby injuries are caused to the tackler, when they get it wrong, rather than to the person being tackled.

Of course, most rugby injuries happen in the scrum, which doesn't take place in such a dangerous way in NFL.

I'm not disrespecting NFL at all, and would be the first to admit I know much more about rugby than American Football..

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Originally Posted by X

Lyle makes a good point.

Let's move away from the superficial similarities, these are two very different sports with very different rules and tactics. Both are tough sports.

However, if you want to look at the very best then, with all due respect, you shouldn't be looking at England. You should be looking at New Zealand and South Africa. Many of the best NFL players have Polynesian or Maori heritage too.

Regarding the protection, I suspect that Lyles point holds true and it gives people more misplaced confidence ...... The problem with that is many NFL players can't actually tackle properly, as they never really had to learn it.

I would suggest that taking a proper, lined-up hit from a rugby player would be more devastating because much more body weight and technique is applied. Having protection probably favours the tackler, especially if they just launch themselves at people ..... More rugby injuries are caused to the tackler, when they get it wrong, rather than to the person being tackled.

Of course, most rugby injuries happen in the scrum, which doesn't take place in such a dangerous way in NFL.

I'm not disrespecting NFL at all, and would be the first to admit I know much more about rugby than American Football..

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With all due respect Mr X I don't think the difference between England and South Africa and New Zealand (or Wales) are such that you shouldn't look at England when discussing the physical aspects of the sport.
That's just a dig!

NFL and Rugby both are very tough games, you got to be a tough SOB to play it, Rugby League
is a bit similar to NFL , were Rugby Union is not.

Tribute to my boy Manu. Played with this guy. Monstrous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaGECYaRwQU

Here's Manu being naughty. Ashton shows a good chin though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WcvUrNuZ4U

@El Kabong where do you think Manu could fit in in NFL?

He might fall between two stools and not really fit at all.

This is our next Union star. Just crossed from League. I don't think he can be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OjXw-niu8

I think both take equally big balls. You gotta be ultra-tough to play both at a professional level.

But would it be accurate to say that injuries are significantly more severe in American football?
Starting with the head... American football is rife with concussions, mainly because of the use of helmets (as strange as that may sound). These serve to protect, but at the same time embolden the players to throw themselves at situations you'd normally not throw yourself into helmetless. In rugby I imagine you have your fair share of stitches, bruises, and lumps.... but probably not as many concussions.

Knees are another focal point. Again, I think the speed of the NFL probably creates more severe knee injuries than rugby. There's been cases in the NFL of complete ACL and MCL tears, requiring serious operations and huge recovery times.

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I think both take equally big balls. You gotta be ultra-tough to play both at a professional level.

But would it be accurate to say that injuries are significantly more severe in American football?
Starting with the head... American football is rife with concussions, mainly because of the use of helmets (as strange as that may sound). These serve to protect, but at the same time embolden the players to throw themselves at situations you'd normally not throw yourself into helmetless. In rugby I imagine you have your fair share of stitches, bruises, and lumps.... but probably not as many concussions.

Knees are another focal point. Again, I think the speed of the NFL probably creates more severe knee injuries than rugby. There's been cases in the NFL of complete ACL and MCL tears, requiring serious operations and huge recovery times.

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Hey Titofan, good to see you.
Your premise is right largely I think. Except concussions are very common in Rugby. Very common. \\\head clashes are every few minutes. You are taught to tackle in a certain way but mistakes happen several times every match. I'm a rugby player but love american football. I'd guess spinal injuries are more common in AmF but it's just a guess. Watch my vids and see Manu go. I've played against him.

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Here's Manu being naughty. Ashton shows a good chin though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WcvUrNuZ4U

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The funny thing is both of these have since played together many times for England.

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I think both take equally big balls. You gotta be ultra-tough to play both at a professional level.

But would it be accurate to say that injuries are significantly more severe in American football?
Starting with the head... American football is rife with concussions, mainly because of the use of helmets (as strange as that may sound). These serve to protect, but at the same time embolden the players to throw themselves at situations you'd normally not throw yourself into helmetless. In rugby I imagine you have your fair share of stitches, bruises, and lumps.... but probably not as many concussions.

Knees are another focal point. Again, I think the speed of the NFL probably creates more severe knee injuries than rugby. There's been cases in the NFL of complete ACL and MCL tears, requiring serious operations and huge recovery times.

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Hey Titofan, good to see you.
Your premise is right largely I think. Except concussions are very common in Rugby. Very common. \\\head clashes are every few minutes. You are taught to tackle in a certain way but mistakes happen several times every match. I'm a rugby player but love american football. I'd guess spinal injuries are more common in AmF but it's just a guess. Watch my vids and see Manu go. I've played against him.

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Good vids, ryanman. There's some vicious hitting going on there. My premise on the concussions was based on the false sense of security of having a helmet and using it as a weapon in the NFL. While the helmet might protect the actual skull from cuts and bruises... it does little to protect the brain-scrambling effect of a vicious hit. But yeah... some of those hits in the rugby vids are pretty crushing. It's no wonder concussions are plentiful there too.

On a side note, one big difference between the two sports is the noticeable absence of big, fat guys in the rugby teams. In the NFL, with its specialized roles, you have these big-bellied, 350- pound linemen. It's surprising how much athleticism and stamina they have... but they still don't look like athletes... LOL.

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I played a bit of rugby in my school days but I find NFL a tad cooler

These are both physical games but very similar but surely rugby is alot more hardcore than the NFL? (No protection)

England seem to have football as their main sport (rugby 2nd?) and the americans seem to worship the NFL (basketball 2nd?)

Apart from maybe not understanding it what makes NFL so attractive to the americans and rugby so loved by the english and could each country (or why) did they never adopt each others sport.?

Imp

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None. Biggest balls are in BALLET

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This is our next Union star. Just crossed from League. I don't think he can be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OjXw-niu8

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He's a great bloke, hard as nails, but what position do you think he should play?

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This is our next Union star. Just crossed from League. I don't think he can be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OjXw-niu8

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He's a great bloke, hard as nails, but what position do you think he should play?

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Tough one isn't it. I would say centre and that is where he will be starting but apparently in training he is looking more comfortable in the back row. But that's a big learning curve.

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This is our next Union star. Just crossed from League. I don't think he can be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30OjXw-niu8

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He's a great bloke, hard as nails, but what position do you think he should play?

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Tough one isn't it. I would say centre and that is where he will be starting but apparently in training he is looking more comfortable in the back row. But that's a big learning curve.

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It is a big learning curve, but I think it's only worth him coming over as a 6 or 8. I personally can see the point of putting him in the centre to get him on the field, but long term , he is not a centre. People are getting carried away with comparisons with Sonny Bill, they are very different in guile, physique , toughness and skillset. The massive head on collisions in RL running at each other from 20 yards apart don't happen in Union. (Apart from picking up at the base, or if he's playing Back row and covering back for the wing and running a kick back. That's what I could imagine him doing (hopefully!)
Part of me actually wishes he hadn't come to Union, because he's such a great guy (as well as being tough!) , that I don't want to see him fail and then 2/3 years down the line go back to RL and not be the player he is now. That would be a shame for him, but could realistically happen because there isn't a position for him in Union. I have to say I really hope I'm wrong.
Sorry for taking this so far off topic guys.

Rugby players are hard and the sport is mental far too many serious injuries.

This guy tackles like a bull and breaks tackles like a.....well like a bull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaGECYaRwQU

Pure Rugby pacester

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvY5TBa0i7o

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This guy tackles like a bull and breaks tackles like a.....well like a bull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaGECYaRwQU

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That awkward moment when you realize you posted the same thing in the same thread 6 months ago ;D

He's an intense fellow though. If ever there was a sport created for Samoans to succeed, it's rugby.

Well...........

Technically, the NFL has the bigger balls. No question.












Yes...

Both are about the same length, but the NFL balls are larger in circumference around their widest point.
:)

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This guy tackles like a bull and breaks tackles like a.....well like a bull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaGECYaRwQU

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That awkward moment when you realize you posted the same thing in the same thread 6 months ago ;D

He's an intense fellow though. If ever there was a sport created for Samoans to succeed, it's rugby.

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Alcohol will do that to you. :cool:

I read on the BBC website that some administrators in the NFL are seriously considering getting rid of helmets in ten future. Their argument, and it's one that has already been made on this thread, is that wearing a helmet gives the user a false sense of safety so they don't learn how to tackle properly and use the helmet as a weapon.

I get that, but I just don't see how actually removing the helmet will reduce concussions. There are a huge amount of serious concussions in both rugby codes ..... And NFL players would all have to very quickly learn how to tackle properly etc.

Can't say I see it happening.

That'll never happen, it would totally change the game. Every player would have to go back and essentially re-learn how to play football.

as steriod use is know for reducing the size of testies, the average nut size in rugby players is bigger

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I read on the BBC website that some administrators in the NFL are seriously considering getting rid of helmets in ten future. Their argument, and it's one that has already been made on this thread, is that wearing a helmet gives the user a false sense of safety so they don't learn how to tackle properly and use the helmet as a weapon.

I get that, but I just don't see how actually removing the helmet will reduce concussions. There are a huge amount of serious concussions in both rugby codes ..... And NFL players would all have to very quickly learn how to tackle properly etc.

Can't say I see it happening.

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If so, then America is nearer collapse than we ever thought. The obsession with sport and putting people at risk is a hallmark of Empire death. It helps ignore the fraud and foul play which is looting the entire system.