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So happy it's fight week ;D
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So happy it's fight week ;D
Who wins?
I'm at work , so I never had the volume on and sped through it, but 2 things I noticed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
1. Where's Eubank Sr.?
2. I might have this wrong , But Saunders looks Leaner than I've ever seen him. Eubank always looks in top shape.
He wasn't there thank god and Saunders has been training hard and he was taking off a bit too much weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI'm at work , so I never had the volume on and sped through it, but 2 things I noticed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
1. Where's Eubank Sr.?
2. I might have this wrong , But Saunders looks Leaner than I've ever seen him. Eubank always looks in top shape.
Saunders will be retired.
Like it
Eubanks looks relaxed
I think eubank is really going to put a show on ko in 8 rounds or less
I just watched it and I think Saunders looked pretty confident and relaxed. Eubank contradicted himself a couple of times ("I'm my own man, oh I don't know , you'll have to ask my management team") you can pick out what you want to in these press conferences, but at the end of the day, it's all about Saturday night.
Eubank has a chance, but how can we tell with the dross he's fought so far. for me it's Saunders on points all day long.
Tam you do get excited and bang up new topics when I already mentioned this in an existing topic on the fight...;)
Anyway. Saunders stupid laugh sounded very nervy. Eubank was cool and had an answer for everything and kept Billy Joe in his place.much like I feel the fight will go.
Saunders is in much better shape than he has ever been and that proves what iv been saying, he's not a true middle weight. Jimmy Tibbs said they had to put weight back on him because he was getting too light. He means he was actually training for once. Doesn't say much for Tibbs as a trainer that its taken Saunders moving to another gym to get fit finally!
Ross I think you have too much invested in Jr. You have to admit this is a huge step up in class for Eubank and so nobody really knows how or if he will cope. I also think you are doing both Tibbs and Saunders a disservice to suggest they don't know what they're doing. BJS does not have to knock Eubank out to win and I think he might shock the Cwispy two with his speed and accuracy.
Lets discuss this one on Sunday morning. Personally its hard to pick , BJS isn't that great , but he has fought the better opposition. We will see if Eubank is as good as he thinks he is , interesting and good matchup.
i thinik saunders could be better than he looks in the way that he will be very hard to beat, hes never gonna look amazing but he will just land more punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
if his chin is good he could go far
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Originally Posted by erics44i thinik saunders could be better than he looks in the way that he will be very hard to beat, hes never gonna look amazing but he will just land more punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
if his chin is good he could go far
Yes if BJS can hold a shot , then he could outbox Eubank , if he is like his dad he will have a great chin but stamina problems.
I saw BJS struggle, or not have an easy a time as he should have with Matthew Hall. Hall was a light middle and had been stopped before and wasnt particularly good but he pushed Saunders and that is down to Saunders lack of strength. Now he has actually got him self in shape, on fight night it will look like a welterweight against a middle weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Tibbs has yet to get a win over Eubank and Davies in 5 fights!
I do sense a tiny bit of "Anti-Saunders" in your posts. I'm just wondering why you picked the Matthew Hall fight in isolation rather than choose for instance , the Jarrod Fletcher fight as your example.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI saw BJS struggle, or not have an easy a time as he should have with Matthew Hall. Hall was a light middle and had been stopped before and wasnt particularly good but he pushed Saunders and that is down to Saunders lack of strength. Now he has actually got him self in shape, on fight night it will look like a welterweight against a middle weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Tibbs has yet to get a win over Eubank and Davies in 5 fights!
And when it comes to Eubank, what example can we use of somebody he's fought that hasn't been a human punchbag? oh yeah, nobody!
Dark lord Al was right , when it comes to this fight , in all honesty, it can only be debated on Sunday Morning, because all we have to go on with Eubank is Supposition.
Eubank was real sharp in that press conference. If you didn't know them you'd think he was the champion and the fight was a mere formality.
I keep switching about who I think will win. I was confident in Billy Joe the other week but when I went to back him I hesitated
I think Eubank will win now
The reason I chose Matty Hall is id followed him a little bit after being a fan of Robin Reid and Reids old trainer Brian Hughes trained Hall and liked him. Hall wasn't that great though, was sparked and lost to some mediocre fighters. He moved up to middle and fought Saunders. I watched it as Hall was a known quantity to me to judge Billy Joe on. A true world class middle weight would have been too strong for Hall. Saunders wasn't and struggled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI do sense a tiny bit of "Anti-Saunders" in your posts. I'm just wondering why you picked the Matthew Hall fight in isolation rather than choose for instance , the Jarrod Fletcher fight as your example.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI saw BJS struggle, or not have an easy a time as he should have with Matthew Hall. Hall was a light middle and had been stopped before and wasnt particularly good but he pushed Saunders and that is down to Saunders lack of strength. Now he has actually got him self in shape, on fight night it will look like a welterweight against a middle weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Tibbs has yet to get a win over Eubank and Davies in 5 fights!
And when it comes to Eubank, what example can we use of somebody he's fought that hasn't been a human punchbag? oh yeah, nobody!
Dark lord Al was right , when it comes to this fight , in all honesty, it can only be debated on Sunday Morning, because all we have to go on with Eubank is Supposition.
The one person who has fought both boxers also agrees Eubank will be too strong.
I will repeat this for those that think eubank hasn't fought anyone. Your right but look at Eubank Srs record prior to beating Benn and point someone out better than anyone Eubank has faced?
Chris Eubank - Boxer
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i_H_gZxOZSQ
Saunders on the pads
Ironically Matty Hall annihilated Bradley Pryce in under 6 minutes yet Eubank and Billy Joe couldn't put a dent in him.
Pretty confident on Eubank although I totally agree that really we don't have much evidence to go on. Just going on gut really.
Matty Hall - The White, British, Mini Tyson. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yeah he just blatantly ripped off Tyson's style although his trainer used to say he was modled on someone else (slipped my mind)
I backed the raving lunatic Anthony Small to beat him.
That fight brings back bad memories. Most of the build up was the MC announcing Anthony Small's nicknames.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Sugar Ray Clay Jones Jr, who used to enter the ring with more pizzazz than James Brown, ended up wanting to live under sharia law. You couldn't make it up.
Kid Milo - Good British ContenderQuote:
Originally Posted by rossThe reason I chose Matty Hall is id followed him a little bit after being a fan of Robin Reid and Reids old trainer Brian Hughes trained Hall and liked him. Hall wasn't that great though, was sparked and lost to some mediocre fighters. He moved up to middle and fought Saunders. I watched it as Hall was a known quantity to me to judge Billy Joe on. A true world class middle weight would have been too strong for Hall. Saunders wasn't and struggled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI do sense a tiny bit of "Anti-Saunders" in your posts. I'm just wondering why you picked the Matthew Hall fight in isolation rather than choose for instance , the Jarrod Fletcher fight as your example.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI saw BJS struggle, or not have an easy a time as he should have with Matthew Hall. Hall was a light middle and had been stopped before and wasnt particularly good but he pushed Saunders and that is down to Saunders lack of strength. Now he has actually got him self in shape, on fight night it will look like a welterweight against a middle weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Tibbs has yet to get a win over Eubank and Davies in 5 fights!
And when it comes to Eubank, what example can we use of somebody he's fought that hasn't been a human punchbag? oh yeah, nobody!
Dark lord Al was right , when it comes to this fight , in all honesty, it can only be debated on Sunday Morning, because all we have to go on with Eubank is Supposition.
The one person who has fought both boxers also agrees Eubank will be too strong.
I will repeat this for those that think eubank hasn't fought anyone. Your right but look at Eubank Srs record prior to beating Benn and point someone out better than anyone Eubank has faced?
Chris Eubank - Boxer
Hugo Corti - Tough Argentinian who had only lost once before Eubank beat him for the WBC international title, and afterwards fought Chris Pyatt for a world title (admittedly lost, but do you think any of Jr's opponents will ever fight for a World Title?)
Johnny Melfah - Good British Contender with a very respectable amateur career when that meant something.
Anthony Logan - Commonwealth contender (American???) and WBC Continental Americas belt holder with a better record than any of Jr's opponents.
Eubank Sr. also had a decent amateur career and started his career in the states before he came back here. In those days , it was tough starting in the states. A lot has been made of Dad setting Jr. tasks and going to the states and winning golden gloves, but when you look into that , he only had about 6 amateur fights over there. There's Golden Gloves and there's GOLDEN GLOVES, and the americans on this forum can explain that better than me for sure.
I'm not getting down on Jr. I'm just saying that with the facts we have , It's impossible to make a judgement . It's not long till we find out however, and if he beats Saunders, we'll have a better idea of where he is.
Admittedly, it would be great if he's the "Real Deal".
Those names are just as rubbish as Jrs;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKid Milo - Good British ContenderQuote:
Originally Posted by rossThe reason I chose Matty Hall is id followed him a little bit after being a fan of Robin Reid and Reids old trainer Brian Hughes trained Hall and liked him. Hall wasn't that great though, was sparked and lost to some mediocre fighters. He moved up to middle and fought Saunders. I watched it as Hall was a known quantity to me to judge Billy Joe on. A true world class middle weight would have been too strong for Hall. Saunders wasn't and struggled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI do sense a tiny bit of "Anti-Saunders" in your posts. I'm just wondering why you picked the Matthew Hall fight in isolation rather than choose for instance , the Jarrod Fletcher fight as your example.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossI saw BJS struggle, or not have an easy a time as he should have with Matthew Hall. Hall was a light middle and had been stopped before and wasnt particularly good but he pushed Saunders and that is down to Saunders lack of strength. Now he has actually got him self in shape, on fight night it will look like a welterweight against a middle weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Tibbs has yet to get a win over Eubank and Davies in 5 fights!
And when it comes to Eubank, what example can we use of somebody he's fought that hasn't been a human punchbag? oh yeah, nobody!
Dark lord Al was right , when it comes to this fight , in all honesty, it can only be debated on Sunday Morning, because all we have to go on with Eubank is Supposition.
The one person who has fought both boxers also agrees Eubank will be too strong.
I will repeat this for those that think eubank hasn't fought anyone. Your right but look at Eubank Srs record prior to beating Benn and point someone out better than anyone Eubank has faced?
Chris Eubank - Boxer
Hugo Corti - Tough Argentinian who had only lost once before Eubank beat him for the WBC international title, and afterwards fought Chris Pyatt for a world title (admittedly lost, but do you think any of Jr's opponents will ever fight for a World Title?)
Johnny Melfah - Good British Contender with a very respectable amateur career when that meant something.
Anthony Logan - Commonwealth contender (American???) and WBC Continental Americas belt holder with a better record than any of Jr's opponents.
Eubank Sr. also had a decent amateur career and started his career in the states before he came back here. In those days , it was tough starting in the states. A lot has been made of Dad setting Jr. tasks and going to the states and winning golden gloves, but when you look into that , he only had about 6 amateur fights over there. There's Golden Gloves and there's GOLDEN GLOVES, and the americans on this forum can explain that better than me for sure.
I'm not getting down on Jr. I'm just saying that with the facts we have , It's impossible to make a judgement . It's not long till we find out however, and if he beats Saunders, we'll have a better idea of where he is.
Admittedly, it would be great if he's the "Real Deal".
Look at a comparrison of the wins and losses between Jr and Srs opponents. Eubank Sr has a few of his first fights which don't show up on boxrec as they were in america, for some reason they werent recorded so for fairness iv compiled the 18 fights prior to Benn.
Eubank Jr opponents, 240 wins, 140 losses, 23 draws, 13 by ko
Eubank Sr opponents, 224 wins, 214 losses, 34 draws, 13 by ko
So Eubank Jr has been fighting a better quality of opponent;D;)
That's not true. You can make stats read what you want them to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraKid Milo - Good British ContenderQuote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraQuote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I saw BJS struggle, or not have an
easy a time as he should have with Matthew Hall. Hall was a light middle and had been stopped
before and wasnt particularly good but he pushed Saunders and that is
down to Saunders lack of strength. Now he has actually got him self in
shape, on fight night it will look like a welterweight against a middle weight.
Tibbs has yet to get a win over Eubank and Davies in 5 fights!
I do sense a tiny bit of "Anti-Saunders" in your posts. I'm just wondering why you picked the
Matthew Hall fight in isolation rather than choose for instance , the Jarrod Fletcher fight as your example.
And when it comes to Eubank, what example can we use of somebody he's fought that hasn't been a
human punchbag? oh yeah, nobody!
Dark lord Al was right , when it comes to this fight , in all honesty, it can only be debated on Sunday
Morning, because all we have to go on with Eubank is Supposition.
The reason I chose Matty Hall is id followed him a little bit after being a fan of Robin Reid and Reids old
trainer Brian Hughes trained Hall
and liked him. Hall wasn't that great
though, was sparked and lost to some mediocre fighters. He moved up to middle and fought Saunders. I
watched it as Hall was a known quantity to me to judge Billy Joe on. A true world class middle weight would have been too strong for Hall.
Saunders wasn't and struggled.
The one person who has fought both boxers also agrees Eubank will be too strong.
I will repeat this for those that think
eubank hasn't fought anyone. Your right but look at Eubank Srs record
prior to beating Benn and point someone out better than anyone Eubank has faced?
Chris Eubank - Boxer
Hugo Corti - Tough Argentinian who had only lost once before Eubank
beat him for the WBC international title, and afterwards fought Chris Pyatt for a world title (admittedly lost, but do you think any of Jr's opponents will ever fight for a World Title?)
Johnny Melfah - Good British Contender with a very respectable amateur career when that meant something.
Anthony Logan - Commonwealth contender (American???) and WBC Continental Americas belt holder with a better record than any of Jr's
opponents.
Eubank Sr. also had a decent amateur career and started his career in the states before he came back here. In those days , it was
tough starting in the states. A lot
has been made of Dad setting Jr. tasks and going to the states and winning golden gloves, but when you look into that , he only had about 6 amateur fights over there. There's Golden Gloves and there's
GOLDEN GLOVES, and the
americans on this forum can explain that better than me for sure.
I'm not getting down on Jr. I'm just saying that with the facts we have , It's impossible to make a judgement
. It's not long till we find out
however, and if he beats Saunders, we'll have a better idea of where he is.
Admittedly, it would be great if he's the "Real Deal".
Those names are just as rubbish as Jrs;D
Look at a comparrison of the wins and losses between Jr and Srs opponents. Eubank Sr has a few of his first fights which don't show up on boxrec as they were in america,
for some reason they werent
recorded so for fairness iv compiled the 18 fights prior to Benn.
Eubank Jr opponents, 240 wins, 140 losses, 23 draws, 13 by ko
Eubank Sr opponents, 224 wins, 214 losses, 34 draws, 13 by ko
So Eubank Jr has been fighting a
better quality of opponent;D;)
For example, Eubank Jr. Is 18-0, Saunders is 20-0, Quigg is about 27-0 , Rigondeaux is about 13-0 and Pacquiao is 55-6 . Now put them in order. Wilder is about 35-0 , so is he the best heavyweight?The
fighters I quoted that Sr. Fought,
aren't just stats, unfortunately I'm old enough to remember them. They were good , proven fighters. The losses on their records are at a higher level.
I would love to see a stat on how many punches Jr's last 3 opponents have thrown, because they were just punchbags taking a decent payday.
Ok, even though Eubank Jrs opponents have more wins than his dads did, they also had way more losses and draws. They may have fought better opposition, who knows but they weren't beating them!