Who are/were some fighters who were great at setting traps for their opponents?
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Who are/were some fighters who were great at setting traps for their opponents?
Hop is/was very effective at setting traps. He completely dismantled Tito with them. Floyd is very effective as evidenced in his fights vs Hatton and Judah. James Toney was very good at drawing guys into corners, slipping shots n spinning them n trapping them in there.
Ray Mercer..... the KING of traps. Watch his Morrison fight, as well as a few other non notables, and you would see he set traps. Even with the fight with Lewis- trap city.
Danny Garcia is a modern day trap-star.
Juan Manuel Marquez does it all the time.
Stiverne has the knack as well.
Good choice with JMM, I think he ripped the LW division because of his ability to set traps. Wasnt the fastest, strongest, no physical advantages, just a superior thinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Great call on Mercer-Morrison. It seems we always hear how Mercer brutalized and out boxed Mercer before the roof caved in on him. But Mercer was maneuvering him, jabbing his head off and just walking him into the dark alley for finish. Too much is made of his juggernaut chin and inconsistency...both true...but Mercer had a killer stubby jab and a thinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
You guys do not know a shit...
Sugar Ray Leonard
It's hard to see the trap, when Mercer..without mercy threw left after left, until Morrison seemingly collapsed into the ropes. That was brutal. Shame on the ref...but damn, I enjoyed it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliGreat call on Mercer-Morrison. It seems we always hear how Mercer brutalized and out boxed Mercer before the roof caved in on him. But Mercer was maneuvering him, jabbing his head off and just walking him into the dark alley for finish. Too much is made of his juggernaut chin and inconsistency...both true...but Mercer had a killer stubby jab and a thinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Yeh ref was off having tea or something. But man, the whole fight was a trap ;D I loved the little subtleties and shifts by Mercer. Morrison was the same combination over and over and started falling into clinches more and more. Mercer would push him off at shoulder, squaring him and making him reset and the beginning of the end began end of 3rd. Ray got his toes under him in 4th and at 1:27 mark he showed a lead right hand..pulled the punch and snuck Morrison with a short left jab that hurt him badly and had him clinging on and that was all she wrote. Mercer started backing to ropes looking for that same spin off and counter he had in 3rd and had a look of a guy who knew it was a matter of time. Miss those days when young undefeated heavyweights tested themselves vs each other. Imagine that ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeIt's hard to see the trap, when Mercer..without mercy threw left after left, until Morrison seemingly collapsed into the ropes. That was brutal. Shame on the ref...but damn, I enjoyed it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliGreat call on Mercer-Morrison. It seems we always hear how Mercer brutalized and out boxed Mercer before the roof caved in on him. But Mercer was maneuvering him, jabbing his head off and just walking him into the dark alley for finish. Too much is made of his juggernaut chin and inconsistency...both true...but Mercer had a killer stubby jab and a thinker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I know he wasn't a great fighter but he did beat Klitschko in Corrie Sanders! Dude had the sniper left hand that he set up for Wlad, then he fell for it! Always remember him warming up for the Vitali fight and just leaning to set up the trap left hand!
Any great counter puncher. Floyd, Rigo, Donaire, JMM, ect were/are fantastic at it.
I loved Roy Jones' style too, he would keep his hands WIDE open, inviting someone to fire the right hand through, and he had his left hook cocked and ready to throw.
Chavez and Hatton set up the left hook to the body trap brilliantly and to great affect.
Most outrageous trap: leaves massive opening knowing opponent is already a dead man walking then pulls off an unseen temple shot on the move.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4PeAjwk5E
You keep pumping up your own bike tires you know what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
Outrageous Trap that should come with a (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME) OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Jersey Joe Walcott was a guy who learned to fight the hard way, having to fight for peanuts several times a month makes you have to get pretty good at not getting hurt.
By the time he became a contender, he was already past his best, but he was one of the cagiest, most awkward fighters I've seen - albeit only on old videos - he was brilliant and asking physical questions, setting traps and capitalising on them.
He was robbed in his first fight with Joe Louis, he draw Ezzard Charles in and onto his hook to knock him out ..... And he completely schooled and chopped up Rocky Marciano for thirteen rounds.
I love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Not trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Soo-Hwan Hong
WBA Bantamweight and WBA Super-Bantamweight Champion.
A brilliant fighter, who set his opponents up for 'quick explosions'.
Patiently pressed, and waited to throw a bombardment.
Half the rankings make absolutely no sense though. For instance last month the WBC had Devon Alexander number 21 in the welterweight division and they don't rank other title holders. How the hell would Devon be that low? And how does Amir get credit by them if they rank Devon so low?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedNot trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Being a mandatory doesn't mean you've earned the place or are good enough to be in that place.
Understand I'm not trying to have a dig at Roy. I'm saying he is such a tremendous talent he should have fought all the top guys at 160 then 168, then 175, then cruiser. Not the guys that are placed at the top for God knows why but the guys we all know are good like Benn, G-man, DM, Calzaghe etcetera. Roy should have fought them all because he was that special
Not trying to change fighters in this thread- but rather-attempting to validate your argument when a fighter is chasing history.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedNot trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Bhop did the same and fought someone named Morrade Hakkar...or faced being stripped of his title.
That is how I saw this fight RJJ had wth Kelly: fight a no-hoper who is ranked, or get stripped.
Good call.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
I remember Bhop bringing up Jerse Joe's name after the Winky Wright fight & was asked about a very cagey move he did to sucker Winky.
It looked like Hop wanted to turn away, then he turned 1/2 way & caught Winky with what Bhop termed: The Jersey-Joe-Walcott-Shovel-Hook ...;D
Floyd Mayweather!! sets up boxing events where other opponents believe they can actually win. but....even if the fighters do win, they are robbed. Castillo 1 and Maidana 1. to Floyds credit tho, those two are the only ones to beat him.
Nah, perfectly understood. I would have loved to see him work his magic on the above fighters but really Benn is the only guy who i think had something roy could have wanted at the time when they were at the same weight or as Roy was passing through super middle. Another thing to consider is once Roy unified, wow many of those guys came over to challenge the man at the weight? G-Man was the only US fighter and was gone by that point from the fight with Benn, even though I think they were friends or something and had something against fight one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonHalf the rankings make absolutely no sense though. For instance last month the WBC had Devon Alexander number 21 in the welterweight division and they don't rank other title holders. How the hell would Devon be that low? And how does Amir get credit by them if they rank Devon so low?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedNot trying to dispute your opinion of Glen Kelly in the grand scheme of things, but Kelly was ranked #1 and a mandatory for the IBF strap.. He was going for his trinket. He was ranked a top guy by the IBF..(unfortunate, but its what the game was/is). If you wear the strap you have to fight these guys. Roy was defending 7 official belts and 1 unofficial belt according to this site (Roy Jones Jr. vs. Glen Kelly - BoxRec). Not sure if all the belts were sanctioned that night. But at the time where roy chased history rather than money, he had to fight that guy to keep his belt. It's not a like a garcia fighting unranked selka for the sake of trying to boost his rep after 2 mediocre performances. It's fashionable now to give up titles and chase easy money and then get out. They claim they're locked into "slave contracts" and then sign with a guy like haymon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI love watching Roy's highlights but why was he fighting Glen Kelly? Jelly only had one noteworthy win in his career against a just short of 39 year old John Mugabi in Mugabis last fight. Every other significant opponent he had KOed Kelly. In the age of trinkets he never carried a major title. That fight is a travesty for ever happening. Roy Jones was so damn good he should have been fighting top guy after top guy. Not the Glen Kelly's of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
Being a mandatory doesn't mean you've earned the place or are good enough to be in that place.
Understand I'm not trying to have a dig at Roy. I'm saying he is such a tremendous talent he should have fought all the top guys at 160 then 168, then 175, then cruiser. Not the guys that are placed at the top for God knows why but the guys we all know are good like Benn, G-man, DM, Calzaghe etcetera. Roy should have fought them all because he was that special
Thing about a guy like Glen Kelly, he came over to fight because he wanted what Roy had. He didnt wait for Roy to age or get slow or ko'd by a few other people. Roy was notorious for not wanting to travel after being ripped off in the Olympics. Justified or unjustified... it was the deal. There's a greater likely hood of those fights coming off if they snatched up all the titles and left Roy floating in contender-ship. You can't have a guy be the unified WBA, IBF, WBC, WBO, ETC ETC ECT champion and then having him fly all over the world to offer shots to guys in their backyards for the sake of being mr. generosity. Being a champ then meant more than it does now.
A guy like Floyd or Garcia or other haymon fighters don't see championships now. they see sanctioning fees they don't want to pay to people who want to dictate to them. The only reason guys like Floyd keep belts now is for equalizers at the bargaining table. Really it appears that the only fighters who still respect (rightfully or not--partly the sanctioning bodys faults-wbc, diamond bull$h*t and wba superchampion nonsense) are non american fighters. Kovalev, the klits, Canelo, maybe froch.. how many other guys have utter the word unify.. in terms of what they wanted next.