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Dominating Collazo and Devon, Khan is suddenly the one to beat Floyd ? ;D
I like Khan but he is the poor man version of Pacquiao and that is a compliment.
I really think Maidana roughs him up in a rematch, and a handful of others that can beat him.
Am I missing something cause I'm just not sold on him beating Floyd?
yes you are missing a lot
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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
If you cant see why hed cause Floyd trouble theres no point trying to explain it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainelaborateQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
But Khan can't outbox Floyd.
I can see him causing some trouble but I don't see him winning at all. Big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIf you cant see why hed cause Floyd trouble theres no point trying to explain it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainelaborateQuote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Khan would definitely out throw floyd and likely out land. Thats enough to outbox Floyd on some judges scorecards. Canelo got a draw without landing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
What happens when Floyd takes away Khan's speed with timing?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeKhan would definitely out throw floyd and likely out land. Thats enough to outbox Floyd on some judges scorecards. Canelo got a draw without landing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
He will have lost the 1st 4 or 5 rounds by then. Then its a toss up of whether he can actually hurt Khan and stop him or he lands enough counters to win the remaining rounds. Again I doubt the fight will ever happen but thats how Ive always seen it go. Khan wins early rounds and Floyd comes back and wins a late decision. Decision could go either way thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_AddictWhat happens when Floyd takes away Khan's speed with timing?Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeKhan would definitely out throw floyd and likely out land. Thats enough to outbox Floyd on some judges scorecards. Canelo got a draw without landing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Why can't he.?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Remember Floyd is getting on a bit for a reflex fighter, you can only slip punches for so long,!
Khan brings speed and punching in bunches, Floyd may slip one or two but if Khan is shooting
out 5 or 6 punch combos, some are going to land.
Floyd likes to fight at Floyd pace, you make him work and sustained accurate pressure is something
Khan could do you never no.
Nah mate, you're not missing anything. When I saw the title of the thread, I thought somebody else was gonna blow sunshine up Khan's ass because he beat a guy who isn't even top 10 and very gun shy. Just how Khan likes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
As they said in the life of Brian, " he's not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy!" ;D
If only he had a chin.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah mate, you're not missing anything. When I saw the title of the thread, I thought somebody else was gonna blow sunshine up Khan's ass because he beat a guy who isn't even top 10 and very gun shy. Just how Khan likes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
As they said in the life of Brian, " he's not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy!" ;D
Keep him away from heavy punchers and hes smiling.
I think khan has got a chin but just had the wrong strategy and trainer at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by boyla
Virgil already owns a pound for pound fighter in ward who is defensive and strong and he has made those evident changes in khan.
Virgil is a 6,5 heavyweight that runs and bullies his fighters down in training and that has only made his fighters better.
Khan is a problem for any welter weight and has carried up his speed to 147 but left his chin 140.
I just think one more win at 147 completely cements khans position at the weightclass and floyd or manny can not or will not ignore him.
I think we're past the point where we are expecting someone to beat Floyd. I think we just want to watch something half way interesting. Style wise, it's a good fight because Mayweather will probably have to do more than pot-shot. Same as with the Pacquiao fight. I think Pacquiao is everyone's first choice, and that's probably because of the gelling of the two styles. Like you say, Khan is almost like a poor man's Pacquiao (of sorts), and i think people are just looking at that fight purely because nobody really believes Mayweather - Pacquiao will ever happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mmm. Poor man pacquiao is a bit strong as I see khan being a stylistic nightmare for pacman as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think we're past the point where we are expecting someone to beat Floyd. I think we just want to watch something half way interesting. Style wise, it's a good fight because Mayweather will probably have to do more than pot-shot. Same as with the Pacquiao fight. I think Pacquiao is everyone's first choice, and that's probably because of the gelling of the two styles. Like you say, Khan is almost like a poor man's Pacquiao (of sorts), and i think people are just looking at that fight purely because nobody really believes Mayweather - Pacquiao will ever happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
We must remember pac has to be a different fighter after the devastating excruciating loss to marquez.
This is not the pac of old under ariza beating a catchweight cotto (still a good win).
Khan looked the part at 147 and fighting a faster fighter makes you very reluctant/hesitant as was evident with devon and most of roy jones opponents.
Khan is coming of age and will make 2015 very interesting..
Khan still hasn't proven he can take on a GOOD brawler and be expected to win - Maidana yes but Garcia speaks for itself in terms of counter shots on the inside
I would however expect him to beat Peterson comfortably now if that same fight took place today but he hasn't proven he could go in with a Matthysse or even Garcia again and win in my book.
Luckily Floyd is a different style completely which compliements Khan - I would be so intrigued to see Mayweatheers tactics in a Khan fight - he;s shown he is willing to brawl and be the aggressor a bit more recently and it wouldnt shock me if he tried to tak Khan out early - and maybe he would
I am a bit blown away how much people are over hyping Khan. This misconception that Khan fares well against "boxers" is pure bs. He has not faced one great counter puncher. For all the supposed improvements under Hunter...he still exhibits some of the same weaknesses that have plagued him: watch the fight with Alexander again and you will notice the poor placement of his non-punching hand, his exposed chin, and his tendency to get off balance. The more Khan punches, the more he pulls apart his own defense and leaves himself open to counters. This is a serious flaw in Khan's style that has been around for years. The surest way to beat a fighter with superior speed is to time them with their own shots. Yet some of you think he will beat one of the greatest and most accurate counter punchers in history in Mayweather?! And lets not forget Khan's has no in-fighting ability...his only answer is clinching and with hopes of the ref breaking it up. You just always get the sense with Amir that he is a work in progress. Floyd on the other hand, even at this stage of his career, knows all the tricks....everything comes second nature to him in the ring. Khan ain't beating Floyd...and don't let paulie malignaggi's dick riding of Khan make you think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by impMmm. Poor man pacquiao is a bit strong as I see khan being a stylistic nightmare for pacman as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think we're past the point where we are expecting someone to beat Floyd. I think we just want to watch something half way interesting. Style wise, it's a good fight because Mayweather will probably have to do more than pot-shot. Same as with the Pacquiao fight. I think Pacquiao is everyone's first choice, and that's probably because of the gelling of the two styles. Like you say, Khan is almost like a poor man's Pacquiao (of sorts), and i think people are just looking at that fight purely because nobody really believes Mayweather - Pacquiao will ever happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
We must remember pac has to be a different fighter after the devastating excruciating loss to marquez.
This is not the pac of old under ariza beating a catchweight cotto (still a good win).
Khan looked the part at 147 and fighting a faster fighter makes you very reluctant/hesitant as was evident with devon and most of roy jones opponents.
Khan is coming of age and will make 2015 very interesting..
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraNah mate, you're not missing anything. When I saw the title of the thread, I thought somebody else was gonna blow sunshine up Khan's ass because he beat a guy who isn't even top 10 and very gun shy. Just how Khan likes them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
As they said in the life of Brian, " he's not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy!" ;D
Wasn't it " he's not the messiah he a very naughty boy " ?
Probably, yes. :)Quote:
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Nah mate, you're not missing anything. When I saw the title of the thread, I thought somebody else was gonna blow sunshine up Khan's
ass because he beat a guy who isn't
even top 10 and very gun shy. Just how Khan likes them.
As they said in the life of Brian, " he's not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy!" ;D
Wasn't it " he's not the messiah he a very naughty boy " ?
That's the difference. Khan is always working on this or that because for all his gifts fighting isn't natural to him. If it isn't going exactly how it's planned he doesn't know what to do. Because he's a talent, not a fighter. I actually like the guy because he will get back up and give his all. But it never stops amazing me how many times people will overhype a talent. "This time...." "Now that...." It was the same with Tyson and Judah. It works though in that it is a chance for those that accept what they've seen to make bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinI am a bit blown away how much people are over hyping Khan. This misconception that Khan fares well against "boxers" is pure bs. He has not faced one great counter puncher. For all the supposed improvements under Hunter...he still exhibits some of the same weaknesses that have plagued him: watch the fight with Alexander again and you will notice the poor placement of his non-punching hand, his exposed chin, and his tendency to get off balance. The more Khan punches, the more he pulls apart his own defense and leaves himself open to counters. This is a serious flaw in Khan's style that has been around for years. The surest way to beat a fighter with superior speed is to time them with their own shots. Yet some of you think he will beat one of the greatest and most accurate counter punchers in history in Mayweather?! And lets not forget Khan's has no in-fighting ability...his only answer is clinching and with hopes of the ref breaking it up. You just always get the sense with Amir that he is a work in progress. Floyd on the other hand, even at this stage of his career, knows all the tricks....everything comes second nature to him in the ring. Khan ain't beating Floyd...and don't let paulie malignaggi's dick riding of Khan make you think otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by impMmm. Poor man pacquiao is a bit strong as I see khan being a stylistic nightmare for pacman as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think we're past the point where we are expecting someone to beat Floyd. I think we just want to watch something half way interesting. Style wise, it's a good fight because Mayweather will probably have to do more than pot-shot. Same as with the Pacquiao fight. I think Pacquiao is everyone's first choice, and that's probably because of the gelling of the two styles. Like you say, Khan is almost like a poor man's Pacquiao (of sorts), and i think people are just looking at that fight purely because nobody really believes Mayweather - Pacquiao will ever happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
We must remember pac has to be a different fighter after the devastating excruciating loss to marquez.
This is not the pac of old under ariza beating a catchweight cotto (still a good win).
Khan looked the part at 147 and fighting a faster fighter makes you very reluctant/hesitant as was evident with devon and most of roy jones opponents.
Khan is coming of age and will make 2015 very interesting..
I see Khan as potentially giving Floyd more problems than Manny. Khan is bigger and longer than Manny, and very good at working behind the jab and keeping the fight at the distance he likes. Prime Floyd would use superior speed and reflexes to take over late for the win, but I'm not sure that this version of Floyd can do that.
This fight reminds me of the Paul Williams vs Winky Wright fight, where Williams used his length to keep the fight at a distance and just outwork the defensively superior Wright. Floyd won't like Khans jab, similar to his trouble with Oscars jab. Floyd is a competitor and mentally tough, so I'm in no way saying Floyd will definitely lose. Just saying that stylistically, at this point, I give Khan a better shot of scoring the upset by boximg from the outside than Mannys aggression and all offense style. Either guy vs Floyd interests me though, and I will gladly pay the money for the PPV. If Floyd fights Danny Garcia, Kell Brook, Keith Thurman...etc., however, I will skip the fight and read the result the following day.
The answer is no, Julius. He just ducked Khan, just like I said in the other thread.
I know exactly how you feel and I wouldn't bet anything on that fight either way, but Khan has seemed much more focused in his last two fights. He brings the fight and never lets up on the pressure now, it seems to me that being married and the responsibilities that brings has narrowed his focus in the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Of course a lot us might be thinking his current trainer is a perfect fit for Khan. Who knows what the motivator is, Khan just seems much more intense in the ring.
A man eating tiger, nowadays!
Floyd having "problems" with Oscar's jab is one of the biggest myths in boxing history. If you have the time to watch this vid...i highly recommend it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kta73pwuDYsQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
It's so important to slow down the fights, watch them closely, and not be influenced by overzealous commentators.
People seem to focus on "problems" Khan would give Floyd...but ignore the MAJOR problems Floyd would give Khan. I already mentioned the glaring weaknesses Khan STILL exhibits....weaknesses that are tailor made for Mayweather to exploit.
I have the fight on DVD n to me it looks like Oscars jab gave Floyd issues for the first half of the fight. Oscar didn't bust Floyd up with it or land it at will, but he used it to push Floyd to the ropes and keep Floyd at a distance that made him less effective. I remember Cotto having his best success against Floyd with his jab. I see the following three weapons/tactics troubling Floyd from past fights:
1) Jab: I thought Oscar and Cotto both had success and caught Floyd with their jabs. Floyd likes to slip and counter and a good jab will keep him at a distance that doesn't allow him to counter as easily as guys pounding away in the inside.
2) Unorthodox speed: Zab gave Floyd some very uncomfortable moments over the first four rounds. Floyd is a much better fighter and made the adjustments, but I don't recall another fight where I saw Floyd as hesitant and gun shy. This fight and the Castillo/Maidana fights make me feel Manny actually has a chance to win (Floyd should be heavily favored though).
3) Effective mauling/brawling: Castillo and Maidana were very successful using these tactics and lost close decisions. Hatton and Jesus Chavez both had success early as well before running out of gas and being picked apart by Floyd (two great performances by an ATG master).
Khans best chance for success is to use the jab and mix in the movement to eke the decision out. Floyd will come on strong down the stretch, so Khan needs to force the fast pace and make up his mind that he will do whatever it takes to see that final bell. I don't see Floyd having the power to stop the chinny Khan, but I NEVER thought Whitaker would do what he did to Hurtado, so who knows?
Again, Floyd should be heavily favored to win but Khan and Manny are the only two guys I see having a realistic chance at beating him 154 and down.
Very good point but all I can say is what will suit Floyd more, Khans flaws that leave him susceptible to counters or a come forward plodder brawler like Ortiz, Guerrero or Maidana?Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinFloyd having "problems" with Oscar's jab is one of the biggest myths in boxing history. If you have the time to watch this vid...i highly recommend it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kta73pwuDYsQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
It's so important to slow down the fights, watch them closely, and not be influenced by overzealous commentators.
People seem to focus on "problems" Khan would give Floyd...but ignore the MAJOR problems Floyd would give Khan. I already mentioned the glaring weaknesses Khan STILL exhibits....weaknesses that are tailor made for Mayweather to exploit.
I want to say that Khan performance against Alexander reminded me of Mario Kindelan fighting style, which includes his amateur fights against Khan in particular. Same 4-6 straight punching comboes, pivots , etc. KHan should have done it like this in the Olympics