Duran vs Mayorga at welter...

What is your take on a fight like that? 15 round fight, in Panama.

My view: It would have gone the full 15 rounds. Duran would have done great work going in and out on Mayorga, working his body and head. The footwork and balance is superior Duran. Mayorga would have given him some fits because of his power and strength, knocking Duran down, but he would be on the downside on the cards. If Duran would only brawl, Mayorga would have prevailed. I remember him demolish strong welters with raw power and toughness.
In the end Duran would win a decision, being exhausted from punching an unbreakable man, but taking the cheers from his fans.

I used to love Mayorga, before he became a lazy cunt.


At his best, he would have a puncher's chance.


He'd probably get his ears boxed off and stopped late on body shots as Duran did not like to suffer fools.

Duran all day long and twice on Sunday

Duran would outclass him, maybe stop him late.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Duran would outclass him, maybe stop him late.

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I was also into that he would stop Mayorga, but in my eyes Ricardo was too tough-as-nails to be stopped by Duran. He would take punishment, yes, but he would stan up to it until the end at welter. Tito had to bang him real hard at middleweight to even score the knockdowns, Forrest blasted him without putting him down. Andrew Lewis nailed him too without prevailing. Even later in his career, except Oscar, they had to wear him down far into a fight to stop him.

It's a probable UD but I can see Duran wearing him down Davey Moore style. Duran wasn't a big puncher at WW and wasn't going to get him out of their early with a couple of shots. It would have to be a prolonged beating.

I think Duran clowns him.

Duran ko's him inside 12

Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

They would have never made the ring, Duran would have beat the living shit out of him at the press conference the second Mayorga opened his big mouth

if they were fighting in Panama, Duran would be incensed at the challenge to his machismo. Both guys would make tasteless threats to kill each other and shag each other's wives, it would be a massively hyped build up.

As soon as the first bell rings, it turns into an anticlimax. Duran times Mayorga beautifully and Ricardo finds he just can't 'get off' or pull the trigger without being painfully countered every time. By the third round it's turning into a systematic beating. By the fifth, sections of the crowd are calling for a halt to the butchery.

The bravest man in the ring turns out to be the referee, as Duran spends the next few rounds gleefully and unmercifully teeing off on Mayorga at will.

In the 8th, Ricardo goes down twice. Exhausted and beaten, he rises just after the ref reaches ten and the fight is waved off.

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Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

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Ok...

Mayorga was the undisputed Welter weight champion! How is that not elite:rolleyes:

How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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He'd have had a hell of a time. Forrest was a bad motherfucker.

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How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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He'd have had a hell of a time. Forrest was a bad motherfucker.

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Mayorga walked through Forrest so would Duran.

Duran had trouble with Tommy Hearns......Forrest was not Hearns, tall yes, decent power, but nothing in the Hearns line of power

There is no comp between the 2. Manos de Piedra knocks his ass out in 7.

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Duran had trouble with Tommy Hearns......Forrest was not Hearns, tall yes, decent power, but nothing in the Hearns line of power

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Who else has had Mosely as hurt as Forrest?

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Duran had trouble with Tommy Hearns......Forrest was not Hearns, tall yes, decent power, but nothing in the Hearns line of power

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Who else has had Mosely as hurt as Forrest?

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The head butt earlier contributed to the knock down. Shane had a sold chin.

I thought this was a joke at first due to all the hypothetical matchups floating around. I now know that it wasn't.

Duran is taken from the ring in cuffs AND CHARGED WITH MURDER

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I thought this was a joke at first due to all the hypothetical matchups floating around. I now know that it wasn't.

Duran is taken from the ring in cuffs AND CHARGED WITH MURDER

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Who did Duran KO at welter?

Whereas Mayorga was hit on the chin flush plenty of times by a who's who of the biggest punchers of the 2000's. Often free shots.

When he gave a shit he could take 12 rounds of it without flinching in the Forrest rematch.

How many other welter/middles could afford to offer and take 3 consecutive left hooks off of Trinidad and immediately chase and knock Trididad down?

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How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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He'd have had a hell of a time. Forrest was a bad motherfucker.

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Mayorga walked through Forrest so would Duran.

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Boxing match doesn't always add up like that though, styles make fights and I think Duran has a tough time with Vernon Forrest.

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Who did Duran KO at welter?

Whereas Mayorga was hit on the chin flush plenty of times by a who's who of the biggest punchers of the 2000's. Often free shots.

When he gave a shit he could take 12 rounds of it without flinching in the Forrest rematch.

How many other welter/middles could afford to offer and take 3 consecutive left hooks off of Trinidad and immediately chase and knock Trididad down?

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I think the aura and myth around Duran has far surpassed his ability, and I say that as a Duran fan. Duran was great, but people look at him as this unstoppable killing machine that he really wasn't. He was a murderous LW but was never a big puncher at WW or above, we saw him get outclassed in numerous fights and even drop fights to much lesser opposition than Vernon Forrest (Sims, Laing).

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I thought this was a joke at first due to all the hypothetical matchups floating around. I now know that it wasn't.

Duran is taken from the ring in cuffs AND CHARGED WITH MURDER

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Who did Duran KO at welter?

Whereas Mayorga was hit on the chin flush plenty of times by a who's who of the biggest punchers of the 2000's. Often free shots.

When he gave a shit he could take 12 rounds of it without flinching in the Forrest rematch.

How many other welter/middles could afford to offer and take 3 consecutive left hooks off of Trinidad and immediately chase and knock Trididad down?

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I don't think it matters who he ko'd at 147. He was only there for a short time but you have to take a lot more into this hypothetical then a ko % at welter. Its crazy to even think that the same crude wild swinging bull dog that intimidated Viper would somehow beat the Duran that beat Leonard.

Not only did Mayorga lead with his face but he would have thought he was fighting a flash mob. The accumulation of pin point punches over the course of the fight would have put Mayorga in a coma. If he woke up, he would speak of the dreams he had of being gang raped by a school of piranha.

Ross I just don't see him getting through this off his back. Even if he had Galivans chin.

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I thought this was a joke at first due to all the hypothetical matchups floating around. I now know that it wasn't.

Duran is taken from the ring in cuffs AND CHARGED WITH MURDER

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Who did Duran KO at welter?

Whereas Mayorga was hit on the chin flush plenty of times by a who's who of the biggest punchers of the 2000's. Often free shots.

When he gave a shit he could take 12 rounds of it without flinching in the Forrest rematch.

How many other welter/middles could afford to offer and take 3 consecutive left hooks off of Trinidad and immediately chase and knock Trididad down?

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I don't think it matters who he ko'd at 147. He was only there for a short time but you have to take a lot more into this hypothetical then a ko % at welter. Its crazy to even think that the same crude wild swinging bull dog that intimidated Viper would somehow beat the Duran that beat Leonard.

Not only did Mayorga lead with his face but he would have thought he was fighting a flash mob. The accumulation of pin point punches over the course of the fight would have put Mayorga in a coma. If he woke up, he would speak of the dreams he had of being gang raped by a school of piranha.

Ross I just don't see him getting through this off his back. Even if he had Galivans chin.

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Mayorga is one of the toughest men you will ever find. He never quit (no mas) and took his beatings like a man.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

I thought this was a joke at first due to all the hypothetical matchups floating around. I now know that it wasn't.

Duran is taken from the ring in cuffs AND CHARGED WITH MURDER

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Who did Duran KO at welter?

Whereas Mayorga was hit on the chin flush plenty of times by a who's who of the biggest punchers of the 2000's. Often free shots.

When he gave a shit he could take 12 rounds of it without flinching in the Forrest rematch.

How many other welter/middles could afford to offer and take 3 consecutive left hooks off of Trinidad and immediately chase and knock Trididad down?

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I don't think it matters who he ko'd at 147. He was only there for a short time but you have to take a lot more into this hypothetical then a ko % at welter. Its crazy to even think that the same crude wild swinging bull dog that intimidated Viper would somehow beat the Duran that beat Leonard.

Not only did Mayorga lead with his face but he would have thought he was fighting a flash mob. The accumulation of pin point punches over the course of the fight would have put Mayorga in a coma. If he woke up, he would speak of the dreams he had of being gang raped by a school of piranha.

Ross I just don't see him getting through this off his back. Even if he had Galivans chin.

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Mayorga is one of the toughest men you will ever find. He never quit (no mas) and took his beatings like a man.

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That he did and he would here also.

It would be an awesome fight but. Mayorga at his best was like trying to fight a shark off. He threw everything at full pelt and could unload all night without tiring. Could Duran hit hard enough to slow him down?

One of the only men to have Mosley on wobbly legs couldn't hurt him, even with free, clean shots;D

Yeah I really don't see Duran stopping him. It's possible late but I think it would be very, very unlikely.

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Yeah I really don't see Duran stopping him. It's possible late but I think it would be very, very unlikely.

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No ex lightweight hurts Mayorga!

Its such a shame Mayorgas brief time at the top of welter didnt coincide with Pacquiao and Mayweather.

Do you know what?

If it did, neither moves up until Mayorga does. He was an animal.

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Yeah I really don't see Duran stopping him. It's possible late but I think it would be very, very unlikely.

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No ex lightweight hurts Mayorga!

Its such a shame Mayorgas brief time at the top of welter didnt coincide with Pacquiao and Mayweather.

Do you know what?

If it did, neither moves up until Mayorga does. He was an animal.

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De La Hoya was an ex lightweight;D

What did Mayorga ever do to make you think he wouldn't get stopped? The only dangerous guy he ever even saw the distance against was Forrest! He was an animal but that's about exactly all he was. If this is the best Duran that ever fought at 147, over 15 rounds in his home country in a grudge match? Mayorga has no chance of not getting messed up, the ref or his corner would have to stop it if it didn't come clean, but either way.

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Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

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Ok...

Mayorga was the undisputed Welter weight champion! How is that not elite:rolleyes:

How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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Mayorga doesn't get into most anyone's top ten lists for his era and n other into the top 100 so I say that keeps him out of being labeled an elite. He was a great fighter not a great boxer. His biggest asset was his heart, followed by his power. His best win arguably was against forest some will say mosley. He was no match for Duran. Duran against forest I imagine he'd have a hard time but eventually ko forest unless forest decided he needed to stay outside and run to survive.

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Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

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Ok...

Mayorga was the undisputed Welter weight champion! How is that not elite:rolleyes:

How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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Mayorga doesn't get into most anyone's top ten lists for his era and n other into the top 100 so I say that keeps him out of being labeled an elite. He was a great fighter not a great boxer. His biggest asset was his heart, followed by his power. His best win arguably was against forest some will say mosley. He was no match for Duran. Duran against forest I imagine he'd have a hard time but eventually ko forest unless forest decided he needed to stay outside and run to survive.

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Referring to Mosley not being instructed to a neutral corner before his last second KO? ;D That was shady for sure, I was surprised it didn't get talked about a little more at the time. I think the way the cards went Mosley would have won a UD anyways. I do think Mayorga was up in that fight, Mosley had been pretty crap but did manage to close the show.

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Mayorga was all heart and a great fighter and like ward and Gatti they were all over-achievers that didn't quite have the talent to make it to the elite level in boxing. Duran had too much skill for mayorga.

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Ok...

Mayorga was the undisputed Welter weight champion! How is that not elite:rolleyes:

How would Duran have done against Forrest?

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Mayorga doesn't get into most anyone's top ten lists for his era and n other into the top 100 so I say that keeps him out of being labeled an elite. He was a great fighter not a great boxer. His biggest asset was his heart, followed by his power. His best win arguably was against forest some will say mosley. He was no match for Duran. Duran against forest I imagine he'd have a hard time but eventually ko forest unless forest decided he needed to stay outside and run to survive.

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Mayorga didnt;)

I Mayorga a bigger puncher or better fighter than Pipino Cuevas ? I don't think so and Duran KOED Pipino at WW.
I stick to my opinion of Duran by KO.

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I Mayorga a bigger puncher or better fighter than Pipino Cuevas ? I don't think so and Duran KOED Pipino at WW.
I stick to my opinion of Duran by KO.

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Cuevas had a better career yes. But being a bigger puncher is up to debate. Crisper yes, but our Mayorga had/has those clubbing shots that come from octopus-angles who hurt his opponents real bad. Also Mayorga is slightly bigger, depending on the same day weigh-ins, Cuevas a smaller man. Cuevas would have been manhandled the same way he was against Duran, no problem.

It's all about the weight for me. P4P, I rate Duran light-years above Mayorga... no comparison. But facts are facts. Duran was otherworldly as a lightweight. It wasn't even fair to throw fellow lightweights into the ring with him... sort of like throwing raw steaks into the lion's cage.

But at 147, we're talking several divisions above Duran's peak weight, and in Mayorga's wheelhouse. I'm not saying Mayorga would've beat Duran, because I would've bet on Duran. But to think Duran would just blow Mayorga out of the ring is a bit unrealistic. Mayorga DID have a tremendous chin. He had that warrior mentality... wasn't afraid to get hit as long as he could get in his tremendous shots. He had chin and he had power.... AND he was the naturally bigger man.

But he was a bit wild, whereas Duran was savage, but controlled and much more accurate. And you're talking warrior against warrior. I'd watch these two fight as many times as they wanted to fight. In the end though, I'd favor Duran by decision or late stoppage.

B class fighter v an elite one.

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B class fighter v an elite one.

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That is it in a nutshell. Sure, all things being equal the bigger man should win but things are not equal here in the slightest.