What are some highly technical fights?
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What are some highly technical fights?
The first Toney/McCallum fight.
Leonard v Benitez
Good ones.
Both of Whittakers fights with Buddy McGirt and against Azumah Nelson are stupidly high level boxing.
1) Leonard vs Hearns 1
2) Barerra vs Morales (all 3)
3) Izzy Vasquez vs Rafael Marquez (unbelievably skillfull fights)
4) Toney vs McCallum
5) Oscar vs Mosely (both fights)
Barerra vs Morales 1 was the best fight I ever saw and it was not a chess match.
Buddy Mc Girt vs Simon Brown. If my memory is correct, Genaro hernandez and Jibaro Perez were boxing right smart until Hernandez punched him in the liver. That was there second fight. Also, Ruben Castillo and Julio Cesar Chavez fought at a very high level.
Chess can be war and smarts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
In my opinion the first Barrera-Morales fight was similar to the first 3 Vasquez-Marquez fights where they definitely went to war and fought at a ridiculous pace, but they maintained punching technique, attention to defense (slipping, catching, parrying and countering) and constantly shifted distance and body position to throw off the other guy's game. It was so fast that it just looked like nonstop punches back and forth, and it was, but those guys would lead, get countered, counter that counter, slip the follow up counter...etc. Lewis and the Klitschko brothers are the most clinical/chess style fighters, but I prefer the ones I listed above to their systematic approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
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Originally Posted by AndreChess can be war and smarts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Just a great point.
I don't think that can be overstated. Tommy had Leonard in checkmate for the majority of the fight.
Every fight is a chess match to some degree.
Lara vs anyone
Some are good and bad at the same time.
Mayweather vs anyone
Some are pure crap.
Bailey vs Alexander
Some are very good and raise the spirits.
Khan vs Alexander
Brook vs Porter
Maidana vs Broner
Crawford vs Gamboa
In my opinion, of course. Lol
Some of the most instinctive reactions seen in it too. Also rare subtleties as well specially from Mab, like using an arm to dissolve a move and leave it out feel where the action is moving to at the same time. Not a usual block, but a shifting of position behind it slightly while getting the arm in the way then used as a feeler or a power dissolver.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodIn my opinion the first Barrera-Morales fight was similar to the first 3 Vasquez-Marquez fights where they definitely went to war and fought at a ridiculous pace, but they maintained punching technique, attention to defense (slipping, catching, parrying and countering) and constantly shifted distance and body position to throw off the other guy's game. It was so fast that it just looked like nonstop punches back and forth, and it was, but those guys would lead, get countered, counter that counter, slip the follow up counter...etc. Lewis and the Klitschko brothers are the most clinical/chess style fighters, but I prefer the ones I listed above to their systematic approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Hey, I finally see a post where I get to disagree with the Master!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Man, that fight was way too entertaining to have been a chess match. By the 11th or so round, those two were glued forehead to forehead center ring --in a virtual phonebooth.
Ray had to bring the dog out and pounded out a victory.
Nunn v Tate
I need to watch it again then but to me it was like a mirror match where they knew what each other was going to do and it was cagey.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeHey, I finally see a post where I get to disagree with the Master!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Man, that fight was way too entertaining to have been a chess match. By the 11th or so round, those two were glued forehead to forehead center ring --in a virtual phonebooth.
Ray had to bring the dog out and pounded out a victory.
I thought Nunn was beating Tate with ease and whenever he stepped up he hurt Tate. I need to check that one again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
True. Even Ray stated years later that he felt like Benitez was a mirrored image of himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI need to watch it again then but to me it was like a mirror match where they knew what each other was going to do and it was cagey.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeHey, I finally see a post where I get to disagree with the Master!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Man, that fight was way too entertaining to have been a chess match. By the 11th or so round, those two were glued forehead to forehead center ring --in a virtual phonebooth.
Ray had to bring the dog out and pounded out a victory.
Maybe I have gotten accustomed to anti-chess match fans calling that style of fight boring.
Nothing boring about Leonard vs. Benitez
And on the Nunn note, -Same here LOL, I thought Tate got schooled by Nunn.
What I do need to watch again, was the reffing towards the end, Wasn't there a bogus count where Nunn should have won earlier?
Tate was going to lose either way. Nunn was a special fighter but I think the drugs took control over him achieving his true potentialQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI need to watch it again then but to me it was like a mirror match where they knew what each other was going to do and it was cagey.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeHey, I finally see a post where I get to disagree with the Master!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Man, that fight was way too entertaining to have been a chess match. By the 11th or so round, those two were glued forehead to forehead center ring --in a virtual phonebooth.
Ray had to bring the dog out and pounded out a victory.
True. Even Ray stated years later that he felt like Benitez was a mirrored image of himself.
Maybe I have gotten accustomed to anti-chess match fans calling that style of fight boring.
Nothing boring about Leonard vs. Benitez
And on the Nunn note, -Same here LOL, I thought Tate got schooled by Nunn.
What I do need to watch again, was the reffing towards the end, Wasn't there a bogus count where Nunn should have won earlier?
1. Initially I agreed that it was more of a war than a chess match, but the rebuttals are spot on, I concede.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreSome of the most instinctive reactions seen in it too. Also rare subtleties as well specially from Mab, like using an arm to dissolve a move and leave it out feel where the action is moving to at the same time. Not a usual block, but a shifting of position behind it slightly while getting the arm in the way then used as a feeler or a power dissolver.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I wonder if MAB got the arm-to-disarm-move from JCC.
While Ray Leonard was providing excellent commentary to JCC vs Rosario, it was the first time I ever noticed a fighter in the inside blocking shots with his arm, by turning it upward like a chicken wing.
Can I call it the chicken-wing defence? ;D
JCC would block some of the most accurately thrown shots then counter to the body then head, truly a work of art.
Sweet pea v Nelson
SweaPea vs the Proffessor a battle of skills for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Mike McCallum v Herol Graham.
I go for
1 leonard vs benitez
2 toney vs mccallum
Did not watch many fights mentioned in this thread though
Also,
Tyson vs Ruddock I, II was chessy enough
Ruddock seemed to figured out Mike, or declined Mike, so it was quite competitive
Tyson v Rudduck 2 is the fight I have probably watched the most and it was absorbing because anyone was liable to knock one another out.
I haven't watched that fight in years, but I remember Ruddock being very one dimensional in this fight and just basically loading up on his "smash" hybrid over and over with limited success. Tyson had very good technique with his punches and defense (when he trained and focused on it) and I remember Tyson being a full level above Razor and dominating the fight. Am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tyson was awful in the that fight he did not punch in bunches and no real head movement. Tyson was loading up and he did break Razzors jaw and bruised some ribs but overall Tyson was finished as a top fighter at 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI haven't watched that fight in years, but I remember Ruddock being very one dimensional in this fight and just basically loading up on his "smash" hybrid over and over with limited success. Tyson had very good technique with his punches and defense (when he trained and focused on it) and I remember Tyson being a full level above Razor and dominating the fight. Am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I saw his destruction of Berbick and it was beautiful.
Was it the first fight when Tyson dropped Ruddock with a straight right off a neat little side-step?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson was awful in the that fight he did not punch in bunches and no real head movement. Tyson was loading up and he did break Razzors jaw and bruised some ribs but overall Tyson was finished as a top fighter at 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI haven't watched that fight in years, but I remember Ruddock being very one dimensional in this fight and just basically loading up on his "smash" hybrid over and over with limited success. Tyson had very good technique with his punches and defense (when he trained and focused on it) and I remember Tyson being a full level above Razor and dominating the fight. Am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I saw his destruction of Berbick and it was beautiful.
If you want to see chess matches, watch Miguel Canto.
I think the knock downs came from the second fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldWas it the first fight when Tyson dropped Ruddock with a straight right off a neat little side-step?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson was awful in the that fight he did not punch in bunches and no real head movement. Tyson was loading up and he did break Razzors jaw and bruised some ribs but overall Tyson was finished as a top fighter at 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI haven't watched that fight in years, but I remember Ruddock being very one dimensional in this fight and just basically loading up on his "smash" hybrid over and over with limited success. Tyson had very good technique with his punches and defense (when he trained and focused on it) and I remember Tyson being a full level above Razor and dominating the fight. Am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I saw his destruction of Berbick and it was beautiful.
If you want to see chess matches, watch Miguel Canto.
Tyson even seemed gassed out by the 10th round. I remember some pretty questionable blows Tyson landed. Two times I think to the hip.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson was awful in the that fight he did not punch in bunches and no real head movement. Tyson was loading up and he did break Razzors jaw and bruised some ribs but overall Tyson was finished as a top fighter at 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI haven't watched that fight in years, but I remember Ruddock being very one dimensional in this fight and just basically loading up on his "smash" hybrid over and over with limited success. Tyson had very good technique with his punches and defense (when he trained and focused on it) and I remember Tyson being a full level above Razor and dominating the fight. Am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I saw his destruction of Berbick and it was beautiful.
Rounds 1-6, great, but after that, it seemed either he was declining or just wasn't a fighter who could do damage in the latter part of a fight they he could in the 1st half.
Yes I think in the 7th he got a pounding and seemed lost of ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeTyson even seemed gassed out by the 10th round. I remember some pretty questionable blows Tyson landed. Two times I think to the hip.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson was awful in the that fight he did not punch in bunches and no real head movement. Tyson was loading up and he did break Razzors jaw and bruised some ribs but overall Tyson was finished as a top fighter at 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodI haven't watched that fight in years, but I remember Ruddock being very one dimensional in this fight and just basically loading up on his "smash" hybrid over and over with limited success. Tyson had very good technique with his punches and defense (when he trained and focused on it) and I remember Tyson being a full level above Razor and dominating the fight. Am I missing something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I saw his destruction of Berbick and it was beautiful.
Rounds 1-6, great, but after that, it seemed either he was declining or just wasn't a fighter who could do damage in the latter part of a fight they he could in the 1st half.
Kasparov v Topalov 1999