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Perhaps the most decorated HW boxer within the last generation. More decorated in the am's than Wlad, Wilder and Solis combined. But, he was manhandled by Wlad.
Amazing!
Wlad may break the record. If Pulev could not even come close, if Thompson lost twice, Povetkin didn't even make a dent.... then who is to stop him?
Jennings? Wilder? Who!?!? Ortiz? Stiverne? Helenius?? Who?!?!
Ask @Max Power he thinks they have been quality opponents and the best fighters we have ever seen in the history of the division because they are so big, heavy and have athletic bodies. :)
In the 3 cases mentioned, real skills too lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Alexander Povetkin would be top contender in the 90's. He would have been a titlist. He would have fought on equal footing with Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield and provided serious competition for Lennox Lewis.
Alexander Povetkin would have been the best opponent Mike Tyson ever faced in the 1980's, and would have beaten Larry Holmes soundly imo.
Alexander Povetkin would have been undisputed champion from the 1970's backwards virtually unchallenged.
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Originally Posted by Max Power
You sir, are a troll.
I did not go that far. Povetkin is a shade above Axel Shulz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
I call him a prat.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
You sir, are a troll.
The same Alexander Povetkin who couldn't stop a cruiserweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The same cruiserweight that Steve Cunningham stopped?
Dopey...
This logic is retarded. Do you not see it? Fury couldnt stop Mrazek, the same Mrazek who was stopped Viera, Perez ... Fury is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThe same Alexander Povetkin who couldn't stop a cruiserweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The same cruiserweight that Steve Cunningham stopped?
Dopey...
Povetkin is a very good boxer and his standard of opposition has been pretty decent compared to a lot of other hyped heavies.
Simple...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThe same Alexander Povetkin who couldn't stop a cruiserweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The same cruiserweight that Steve Cunningham stopped?
Dopey...
Aside from your triangle theory being irrelevant in the real world...
It's only when you view Steve Cunningham and MArco Huck as what in previous times WERE REAL HW's, and only when you view Marco Huck and Steve Cunningham's records as what would then have been considered real HW records and only when you view Huck and Cunningham themselves as probably better than anything else in previous eras themselves, does everything magically fall into place and Povetkin is to be considered on his proper merits.
LOL Yeah sure, a shade above Axel Schultz ey. Likely story. I'm sure many will reason that conclusion with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI did not go that far. Povetkin is a shade above Axel Shulz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Even if we are to believe this story anyway, this is the same Axel Scultz that rightfully won the lineal HW championship vs George Foreman wasn't it? The same George Foreman which bested Briggs only to be robbed ironically too. See how poorly the logic can be applied?
All we can say with certain is that Schultz played in the same league as Briggs and Foreman and that Povetkin was better than Schultz!
Povetkin will be considered on his proper merits which is what he achieves in his life time not anyone elses. If he does not achieve much now then you can not say he would have been champion in 1990 unless you have a delorean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSimple...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThe same Alexander Povetkin who couldn't stop a cruiserweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The same cruiserweight that Steve Cunningham stopped?
Dopey...
Aside from your triangle theory being irrelevant in the real world...
It's only when you view Steve Cunningham and MArco Huck as what in previous times WERE REAL HW's, and only when you view Marco Huck and Steve Cunningham's records as what would then have been considered real HW records and only when you view Huck and Cunningham themselves as probably better than anything else in previous eras themselves, does everything magically fall into place and Povetkin is to be considered on his proper merits.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterPovetkin will be considered on his proper merits which is what he achieves in his life time not anyone elses. If he does not achieve much now then you can not say he would have been champion in 1990 unless you have a delorean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSimple...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThe same Alexander Povetkin who couldn't stop a cruiserweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The same cruiserweight that Steve Cunningham stopped?
Dopey...
Aside from your triangle theory being irrelevant in the real world...
It's only when you view Steve Cunningham and MArco Huck as what in previous times WERE REAL HW's, and only when you view Marco Huck and Steve Cunningham's records as what would then have been considered real HW records and only when you view Huck and Cunningham themselves as probably better than anything else in previous eras themselves, does everything magically fall into place and Povetkin is to be considered on his proper merits.
One of those rare moments that I can in fact agree here.
I will judge Alexander Povetkin on the merits of what he achieves in his own era period and will not claim that he could have done this and that in the 90's.
And on the upside here, your friends also cannot make claims that some of those 90's fighters would have trumped Povetkin in this era unless they also have a DeLorean.
Fair is fair!
Alexander Povetkin - the best of the rest says it all mate. :)
What happened to Bob foster when he moved up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerSimple...Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThe same Alexander Povetkin who couldn't stop a cruiserweight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
The same cruiserweight that Steve Cunningham stopped?
Dopey...
Aside from your triangle theory being irrelevant in the real world...
It's only when you view Steve Cunningham and MArco Huck as what in previous times WERE REAL HW's, and only when you view Marco Huck and Steve Cunningham's records as what would then have been considered real HW records and only when you view Huck and Cunningham themselves as probably better than anything else in previous eras themselves, does everything magically fall into place and Povetkin is to be considered on his proper merits.
He didnt nearly stop Ali or Fazier or get a draw on one scorecard. He was wiped out;D
Answer is blatantly obvious...
Marco Huck was 210lbs when he fought Povetkin, he was a HW.
Bob Foster was 180lbs when he fought Ali. He was smaller than even the LHW's today after they rehydrate.
There is no comparison between Bob Foster and MArco Huck.
The correct comparison is between Bob Foster and say Sergei Kovalev or even GGG. It then becomes obvious that these guys would provide better competition to Ali or Povetkin than would Bob Foster.
Foster is a proof of how bad Muhammad's opponents were, which you somehow try to flip around and use as a proof of how limited Povetkin is by comparing to Huck? Do your math, it doesn't cut the mustard!
Who was greater and will be remembered more Huck at cruiserweight or Foster at light heavyweight?
I would say Huck at Cruiserweight at this stage... Foster was good, but Huck's fights will go down as legendary, for the most part and when it is all said and done.
The REAL fight I want to see is: MARCO HUCK VS. ADONIS STEVENSON!!!
What a fecking fight that would be, huh???
Dude when I first heard about Foster, I didn't even know who he was. I even had to look him up again to remember this time!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Who in the world who is not a hundred years old boxing aficionado is going to remember Bob Foster?
I would say Marco Huck is going to be remembered for a long time, especially in Europe where he is held as testament to European superiority, especially in the heftier divisions of boxing. Not likely to be forgotten in the West either, since such luminary boxers have to be ACTIVELY suppressed. The negative publicity however you try to give them however actually helps to ensure everyone DOES remember their name equally! Which is why your fighting an unwinnable battle.
OTNB is facing extinction, might as well jump off the bandwagon and let it go my friend.
I already provided you with a thread giving you a way to have your own way peacefully "How to properly honour boing history" lol ;)
Tyson Fury, alexander Povetkin, adamek, valuev, Haye, chisora, klitschko, Wilder, ..... Bwahaha....
Even the Carnera, Willard, Dempsey "weak" era was light years ahead of this group.
Well that was a very objective post right there, full to the brim with so much evidence that it's almost impossible to refute you...Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I got one for you, filled with about as much credibility as your post offered...
What if I told you, that Tyson Fury would have battered Primo Carnera senseless and knocked him out?
What if I told you, that Jess Willard would never have won a round against Tomasz Adamek who would have not only outboxed him every daya week, but also roughed him up and muscled him around?
What if I told you, that Valuev would have batted Jack Dempsey around like a rag doll who wouldn't have been able to land a single meaningful punch on Nic because he was so long and so massive?
I think those are all very plausible situations. I don't really need to break out any vids, pics or figures or anything like that, because EVERYBODY KNOWS IT! Intuitively, you yourself know that your boxers could not suffice as sparring partners today for any but the reddest of tomato cans.
That's what I think of your biased, BS assessment mate!
Hey. You're predictions are just as much subjective as mine. Nobody will ever know. But Willard would win at least 4 rounds against Adamek, and hurt him in a couple clinches inside too. Those men could fight 25-30 rounds with broken bones, no neutral corner. The clowns you champion are totally winded after ten rounds. Sam Huffin & Puffin Peters, Wladimir Gaspin For Breath Klitschko, David Hurt Lil' Pinky Toe Haye, Odlanir "Ow My Calf Muscle" Solis. Etc
I have already shown multiple occasions that such overlong fights were ALWAYS a rarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
In fact in the history of boxing, approx. 70,000 fights, approximately only 1,600, 2%! went 13+ rounds, 13+!!!
Of those old boxers that fought these 20 odd rounders, they only each fought negligible of them also!
The lighter the boxer, the more rounds they can fight,
Any boxer can fight any number of rounds no matter the conditioning or the size by pacing.
Todays 12 rounders fight harder and are better conditioned than any of those ancient jokers
The more overlong fights, the more featherfisted the boxers in them.
But most importantly...
25 rounds, IS A SIGN OF FAILURE. Failure to win by KO! It means that the plan has failed! Whether the plan was wrong, or your opponent was able to thwart it does not matter.
You take a NEGATIVE feature of the drunken era of boxing and turn it into a virtue.
Myth exposed!
Here is my last word on this matter or any other delusional matter you are on about:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerI have already shown multiple occasions that such overlong fights were ALWAYS a rarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
In fact in the history of boxing, approx. 70,000 fights, approximately only 1,600, 2%! went 13+ rounds, 13+!!!
Of those old boxers that fought these 20 odd rounders, they only each fought negligible of them also!
The lighter the boxer, the more rounds they can fight,
Any boxer can fight any number of rounds no matter the conditioning or the size by pacing.
Todays 12 rounders fight harder and are better conditioned than any of those ancient jokers
The more overlong fights, the more featherfisted the boxers in them.
But most importantly...
25 rounds, IS A SIGN OF FAILURE. Failure to win by KO! It means that the plan has failed! Whether the plan was wrong, or your opponent was able to thwart it does not matter.
You take a NEGATIVE feature of the drunken era of boxing and turn it into a virtue.
Myth exposed!
You are entitled to your own opinion. PERIOD. :cool:
What this person knows about boxing summed up...
Didn't know who Bob Foster was;D
His opinions suck.
Period.
At some point, nobody knows who any boxer is, you learn of them as you learn of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Obviously, Bob Foster plays or would play absolutely zero role in any current or recent evaluation of boxers whatsoever, except as an example of how pathetic the opponents of Ali actually were in fact. Which is why I discovered him late. Other than that is is not particularly famous at all. Certainly not as famous as Huck!
He is testament to the weakness of an era which is thankfully gone and nothing like it will ever return, unless disease wipes out most of the globe and we must start from scratch ;)
Bob Foster is one of the greatest light heavyweights ever.
Huck is what?
I don't think you understand completely what I am saying here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The quality of Bob Foster, AS A BOXER, was very HIGH!
The quality of Bob Foster as a HW or CW boxer however, was not.
Today, the quality of Bob Foster as a HW or CW is non-existent.
As a light-HW? Well that's a WORTHY discussion. I'll give you that!
Personally I think he would be knocked out at the top level.
I mean really I cannot envision him surviving very long with Kovalev if already featherfist Ali, could waste him easy.
But again, as a BOXER, he was high quality, there is a difference.
At light heavy he was one of the best ever. Kov is just starting to create a legacy. When Kov achieves something remotely to what Bob did then talk about them in the same sentence.
Bob fought when there was no cruiserweight.
Ali and Frazier would probably have stopped Huck too.
Frazier would never be able to beat Huck, get real!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ali might be able to beat Huck but certainly not stop him. I kind of doubt it though, but that's an opinion.
How about light punching cruiserweight Steve Cunningham?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerFrazier would never be able to beat Huck, get real!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Ali might be able to beat Huck but certainly not stop him. I kind of doubt it though, but that's an opinion.
Do you think he could stop the great Marco Huck?
;D
Very funny. Except Ali never stopped a decent opponent in 50+ fights of boxing. I just can't see how anybody could reash that conclusion when he never scored a single proper KO against a relevant opponent ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
As for Frazier, Cunningham is obviously a league apart from Joe isn't he in the skills, speed and athletic department.
If Steve Cunningham can stop Huck then so can any of the past heavyweight greats. Cunningham was 192lbs when he stopped Huck and as everyone keeps pointing out, he's not even a puncher!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerVery funny. Except Ali never stopped a decent opponent in 50+ fights of boxing. I just can't see how anybody could reash that conclusion when he never scored a single proper KO against a relevant opponent ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
As for Frazier, Cunningham is obviously a league apart from Joe isn't he in the skills, speed and athletic department.
Also, Ali never KO'd anyone?
Err... Foreman?
Foreman went on to fight modern heavyweights in the Nineties and never got stopped. That includes a young Briggs and Holyfield.
;D
What a fucking idiot you are;D
Ali vs Foreman was not a proper KO, Ali hit him with shots I could withstand. Foreman punched himself out.
Bad example ;)
Ali hit Foreman with shots YOU could withstand.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Max now claims he could have taken the greatest heavyweight boxers punches. ;D
Your post get more extreme by the day.
its so difficult to rate this HW era because of all the cheating
provetkin was beaten up by wlad but it wasnt boxing, wlad should have been dq'd by the end of round 1
so really we dont know who would win in a boxing fight between the two
biggest black mark on provetkins record is the huck fight
Povetkin is a decent fighter but Wlad held on for dear life and spoilt the fight when he did not have to as he has all the advantages that god gave him. It was appalling.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
How Huck fought a close fight with Povetkin was amazing. I put it down to Huck being better than I thought he was.
I love Max more everydayQuote:
Originally Posted by Master