What would have happened? This fight was suppose to happen before the Dawson fight, but Stevenson got the opportunity to fight Dawson and did the right thing. Imagine if Froch fought Stevenson though, that would have been a fight to remember.
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What would have happened? This fight was suppose to happen before the Dawson fight, but Stevenson got the opportunity to fight Dawson and did the right thing. Imagine if Froch fought Stevenson though, that would have been a fight to remember.
That could have been an epic brawl, really and I think that the first one to impose his will would have won this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Not sure what it is about these Haitians. They seem to be able to jump back and forth from 168/175 with little effort. Pascal was like that. I was hoping Carl would have called him out. He's got nothing to do and could duplicate Calzaghe in the process.
Naive of me to think that Stevenson might actually make his optional count for something. If he inks Fonfara, I'm going to have a hard time not cheering for the upset. Not sure what Carl has left but I'd still like to see the fight. I'm actually hoping there might be a chance.
Adonis would have beaten Froch at light heavy but lost at super middle.
You can't make that statement Froch has never been to 175, Froch is bigger than StevensonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Stevenson is a monster puncher at lightheavy and I do not think froch could take those power punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonYou can't make that statement Froch has never been to 175, Froch is bigger than StevensonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
And when has Froch not been able to take monster power punches?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStevenson is a monster puncher at lightheavy and I do not think froch could take those power punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonYou can't make that statement Froch has never been to 175, Froch is bigger than StevensonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Groves first round? Stevenson lands his best punch Froch will not be getting up clear headed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonAnd when has Froch not been able to take monster power punches?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStevenson is a monster puncher at lightheavy and I do not think froch could take those power punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonYou can't make that statement Froch has never been to 175, Froch is bigger than StevensonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
If Froch could go to lightheavy he would do but he has not done for a reason. I am sure he would love to be a 2 weight champion.
Groves first round? He got up and recovered...
And you can tell in the rematch that he didn't take the first fight seriously as it was a completely different fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGroves first round? Stevenson lands his best punch Froch will not be getting up clear headed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonAnd when has Froch not been able to take monster power punches?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterStevenson is a monster puncher at lightheavy and I do not think froch could take those power punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonYou can't make that statement Froch has never been to 175, Froch is bigger than StevensonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
If Froch could go to lightheavy he would do but he has not done for a reason. I am sure he would love to be a 2 weight champion.
Let's not forget that froch sprinted into a prime tyson (groves) most powerful punch ever with open arms and got up and took the rest.
Froch let's not forget doesn't get discouraged by power or speed, he just finds a way unless he can't be arsed like when he lost.
Going by the workrate difference I'd say froch wares him down and finishes him late whilst ahead on cards in Canada
Froch is courageous but he could not beat Adonis or Kovalev.
Fonfora was getting the best of Stevenson and eve had him on the floor, why would Froch struggle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I would not say Froch would struggle I would say he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFonfora was getting the best of Stevenson and eve had him on the floor, why would Froch struggle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Froch would prefer to win a title at a 2nd weight rather than fight De Gale or Groves. It would enhance his legacy.
Why he's not trying to do that is stressful and why he's not wanting to rematch ward is annoying. Those are legacy fights, no bloody Chavez Jnr. He's still capable of good performances, I wish he would try for those fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would not say Froch would struggle I would say he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFonfora was getting the best of Stevenson and eve had him on the floor, why would Froch struggle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Froch would prefer to win a title at a 2nd weight rather than fight De Gale or Groves. It would enhance his legacy.
No better time to beat ward than now when he is inactive. :)
Exactly and Froch has improved since then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
That is a bad example to make, because he was still using the ropes at 8 after that knock down.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Imagine if a power punching Light Heavy caught him and not Groves?
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Originally Posted by VendettosThat is a bad example to make, because he was still using the ropes at 8 after that knock down.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Imagine if a power punching Light Heavy caught him and not Groves?
Stevenson gets far to much mileage out of his destruction of Dawson who had wasting disease and looked like Oscar in the Manny fight with both feet nailed to the floor. The guy does not have one elite on his lodge pole. Not one. Froch got caught up with all the emotion in the first Groves fight and lost his head. He sorted that out. Stevenson has one punch....a straight left and has fought nobody as yet that has been able to take it away. That is because he has fought a collection of gate keepers. He wont have any kind of size advantage over Carl and if Froch has anything left in the tank I could see him stopping Adonis.
You're being too technical.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosThat is a bad example to make, because he was still using the ropes at 8 after that knock down.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Imagine if a power punching Light Heavy caught him and not Groves?
Stevenson gets far to much mileage out of his destruction of Dawson who had wasting disease and looked like Oscar in the Manny fight with both feet nailed to the floor. The guy does not have one elite on his lodge pole. Not one. Froch got caught up with all the emotion in the first Groves fight and lost his head. He sorted that out. Stevenson has one punch....a straight left and has fought nobody as yet that has been able to take it away. That is because he has fought a collection of gate keepers. He wont have any kind of size advantage over Carl and if Froch has anything left in the tank I could see him stopping Adonis.
CLEARLY Froch lets his guard down, now Groves is a 1 punch KO fighter but still hits half as hard as Stevenson.
Take away records and who you've beaten, Stevenson lands a biggy Froch is sleeping.
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Originally Posted by VendettosYou're being too technical.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosThat is a bad example to make, because he was still using the ropes at 8 after that knock down.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Imagine if a power punching Light Heavy caught him and not Groves?
Stevenson gets far to much mileage out of his destruction of Dawson who had wasting disease and looked like Oscar in the Manny fight with both feet nailed to the floor. The guy does not have one elite on his lodge pole. Not one. Froch got caught up with all the emotion in the first Groves fight and lost his head. He sorted that out. Stevenson has one punch....a straight left and has fought nobody as yet that has been able to take it away. That is because he has fought a collection of gate keepers. He wont have any kind of size advantage over Carl and if Froch has anything left in the tank I could see him stopping Adonis.
CLEARLY Froch lets his guard down, now Groves is a 1 punch KO fighter but still hits half as hard as Stevenson.
Take away records and who you've beaten, Stevenson lands a biggy Froch is sleeping.
To technical? That is his money punch. Like I said I'm not sure what Carl has left but if he can muster up for this fight, he's more then even money to win it. Especially in Nottingham but it would be in Vegas. They are also the same age. Carls got a great chin and Fonfara went 12 with Adonis and ate plenty of right hands.
Carls problem could be the miles on the odometer.
He's fought,
Kessler
Abraham
Johnson
Ward
Bute
Mack
Kessler
Groves
Groves
Stevenson has been hanging out in the tomato can aisle so he's most definitely the fresher of the two.
Taylor also dropped Froch. But I don't think Stevenson is as technical and precise as Taylor was with his shot
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Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
Froch does carry his lands low and is easy to hit against Stevenson that can be disastrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
Evenly matched up fight that can go either way.. I like froch more as a fighter but I think Stevenson has the tools to beat him...
Agreed and Kovalev beats both.Quote:
Originally Posted by EL DINAMITA
I've always found that to be part of his style. He's unorthodox and he's inviting you in like a Cobra but that's a great point given Carls work load, tough battles and age. He could be just that fraction of a second off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFroch does carry his lands low and is easy to hit against Stevenson that can be disastrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
I feel that id Froch could win a title at the next weight then he would do it because he is concerned about his legacy, which is fantastic from the list you made of who he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI've always found that to be part of his style. He's unorthodox and he's inviting you in like a Cobra but that's a great point given Carls work load, tough battles and age. He could be just that fraction of a second off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFroch does carry his lands low and is easy to hit against Stevenson that can be disastrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
If he can not get a big money fight with Junior then he try Kessler 3 or even Ward in Vegas.
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Originally Posted by MasterI feel that id Froch could win a title at the next weight then he would do it because he is concerned about his legacy, which is fantastic from the list you made of who he has fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI've always found that to be part of his style. He's unorthodox and he's inviting you in like a Cobra but that's a great point given Carls work load, tough battles and age. He could be just that fraction of a second off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFroch does carry his lands low and is easy to hit against Stevenson that can be disastrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
If he can not get a big money fight with Junior then he try Kessler 3 or even Ward in Vegas.
I'm starting to see reports that Froch/Chavez is in the bag for Vegas.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
Froch has a set of whiskers, to which is why I attributed it to a well placed/timed shot can drop Froch.
I don't think Jermaine Taylor punches as hard as Groves
Yeah, a cobra styled fighter with a sturdy resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI've always found that to be part of his style. He's unorthodox and he's inviting you in like a Cobra but that's a great point given Carls work load, tough battles and age. He could be just that fraction of a second off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFroch does carry his lands low and is easy to hit against Stevenson that can be disastrous.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Getting dropped does not mean a bad chin though
A lot of mileage on him, so I'm a bit biased for him if he loses before he retires.