Who would have won at WW? I think Margarito would have been target practice for Floyd.
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Who would have won at WW? I think Margarito would have been target practice for Floyd.
Marg had absolutely nothing to offer Floyd.
Marg had an iron chin, a big heart and heavy hands (later we found out why they were so heavy). He was a huge, long and strong WW and he would quickly wear guys down by putting hands on them.
But he was slow of hand, foot and mind, and there's no way he would have won a round against Mayweather. He had absolutely nothing to offer him. He never beat any great slickster or mover. He beat up guys that were there to be hit. Paul Williams even befuddled him big time with his movement and angles, and I love Paul Williams but he wasn't exactly a slickster.
ITs a tough call. Floyd would not stop marg, and marg will not stop coming. Does floyd hit hard enough to phase marg? Would floyds hands beak before round 6? Would floud be able to handle the mauling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I agree floyd would tee off on marg, but how long can he run and punch before getting tired?
Tony Margarito would have walked straight through Mayweathers pitty pats & destroyed him
Floyd knew that So he took his long hiatus (fake retirement). Things were getting too hot for the Duckmaster.
.Still waiting for one of you Margarito haters to back up your loaded gloves claims. Neither POC Richardson or the Keystone Kops (CSAC) were able to either
You know Bob turned down the fight right "the money isn't there" then after Floyd paid Bob 750k to get out of his contract Bob offered the exact amount Floyd asked for to fight the cheat.(minus the 750k of course) I think you do know this and have no interest in representing the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Yeah I keep waiting for evidence that proves Resto knew scum bag Lewis pulled material out of his gloves and yet Luis spent 3 years in jail and was banned for life. Hard to believe that nobody knew he was wearing 5 oz gloves.
Sorry no sarcasm smiley.
I bet they had to chip Margarito's hand wraps off after the Cotto fight with a hammer and chisel.
As far as the fight goes, not since 1971 would we have seen this outcomes equivalent when Nicolino Locche faced off against Antonio Cervantes for the 140 crown. In fact it would not just be that fights equivalent but its duplicate. Margarito would not have won a round and at that time Floyd could have fought 25 rounds off his back foot.
THis is why I'm a dick to you, just for the record:D Margarito would have gotten clowned and walked into thin air all night, it wouldn't have even been competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
Floyd is a slick fighter so he would be hitting Margarito at will but won't be able to knock him out. Possible scenario would be Margarito hitting hard on Floyd and knocking him out around 8 to 10th round. This could the reason why Floyd was known to have ducked Margarito...and it is a valid ground why the fight did not happen.
Floyd Mayweather wide UD.
But I would be cheering for Margarito ;D
If De La Hoya or Mosley couldn't knock Floyd out how the fuck was MArgarito going to, come on. It's also worth mentioning that FLoyd would have probably made sure Margaritos wraps were checked carefully. If you believe Margarito got away with at the least illegal wraps in the past, it's quite possible he would have had virtually NO power without them, and all of his fights after getting caught would basically suggest this is likely. He had terrible terrible punching form, it isn't unreasonable to think he cheated to generate a modicum of force on his shots, which his style would have been highly ineffective without.
No secret I dislike Floyd. But anybody who claims Margarito could snot out Floyd just to boost Pacs cred isn't actually doing Pac any favours, it just makes them look mildly retarded. Fact.
Floyd already beat the hardest hitting WW in Shane Moseley "After" he destroyed margarito.
Shane tried to ko floyd but what happened straight after that round.
Adjustment and complete domination.
Hey imp what was all that September bullshit you were going on about
Yeah but you can say that about almost every Floyd opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
You could say that also about Baldomir, who Floyd absolutely could not hurt and never stopped coming forward, but never managed to win 30 seconds of the fight. You could also say that about Canelo Alvarez, who IMO is far superior to Margarito, another guy Floyd could not hurt and never stopped coming forward. Didn't do him much good, either.
You can't hurt what you can't hit, and I think the question of whether or not Floyd would get tired shows a tad bit of ignorance to what Floyd has done and can do. If it was easy as just walking forward and throwing punches, Floyd wouldn't be undefeated for 18 years.
Floyd was growing into the weight and was booed after running for 12 rounds against baldimor. Floyd got better of course.
Margarito was at his best and although he lost a close decision to Williams he came on strong in the second half of the fight.
It would have been more interesting than Floyd fighting Baldimor that is for certain.
For sure, definitely more interesting in the way that Margarito was much taller, longer, stronger, and hit much harder. But skill wise, I don't see a whole lot to differentiate the two. Margarito didn't have one-punch KO power, he wore guys out by landing volume, and he just wasn't going to land volume on Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He didn't have the footwork like Hatton or the cleverness of Castillo to get in and pin Floyd IMO. Marg was a punch for punch guy, matching guys with punches, and that's just not going to get it done vs Floyd. Also, Marg was a notoriously slow starter. He had all the ingredients needed to get blown out by Mayweather or any other fast-moving slickster. A guy like Cory Spinks would have made a fool out of Margarito. Bob Arum knew what Marg could and couldn't do and matched him up accordingly IMO.
Oh please with Cory Spinks. The guy lost to Mayorga, Judah twice n Karmazin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFor sure, definitely more interesting in the way that Margarito was much taller, longer, stronger, and hit much harder. But skill wise, I don't see a whole lot to differentiate the two. Margarito didn't have one-punch KO power, he wore guys out by landing volume, and he just wasn't going to land volume on Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He didn't have the footwork like Hatton or the cleverness of Castillo to get in and pin Floyd IMO. Marg was a punch for punch guy, matching guys with punches, and that's just not going to get it done vs Floyd. Also, Marg was a notoriously slow starter. He had all the ingredients needed to get blown out by Mayweather or any other fast-moving slickster. A guy like Cory Spinks would have made a fool out of Margarito. Bob Arum knew what Marg could and couldn't do and matched him up accordingly IMO.
Judges saved his but 3/4 times.
Margarito would lose to Floyd no doubt, but I think he could have out worked Cory.
I disagree, and he deserved the nod over Mayorga IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
You bastard! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI disagree, and he deserved the nod over Mayorga IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Margarito be fucked and would be swinging at air all day and everyone here be bored to tears. After the fight they say he ducked the real champ Baldo who was actually the champ at the time. Mayweather jerk and all but people that could beat him would have to be Leonard or a Hearns.
I also think Cory Spinks just nicked the fight with Mayorga! He needed at least one of the point deductions to do it on my card if I remember, but those were fairly legit. I remember arguing this with you when I had just joined this place lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkYou bastard! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI disagree, and he deserved the nod over Mayorga IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Mayorga was a hell of a lot better than Margarito ever was at that time as well if you ask me, I'd see Spinks making Margarito look much worse and not having as much to worry about.
This thread is an example of why I can say Floyd has great skills, but he is not a great fighter.
The greats don't have these mythcial questions affixed to them. The greats are too ego-driven to not find out themselves.
We can't ask too many of these questions with Ali or Ray Robinson because if a fighter was ranked, or highly touted, those guys fought them.
Yes Floyd could've beatan AM & PW with skill, but he retired conveniently during the time these two tall ass lanky fighters who both average 100 punches per round were at their peak.
My perspective is simple, no rocket science:
1. In my book you don't have to be undefeated to be called great
2 Because Great fighters don't leave these questions to be debated on a (he woulda won basis)...
Oh well, so we have to debate on woulda/coulda, when he in fact: Didn't want to fight Margarito for whatever reason we like to insert.
Do you know the story behind why the fight didn't happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I had Mayorga beating Spinks ;) would have loved to have seen Mayorga-Margarito :D
Floyd would have beaten Margarito but it was still a fight I would have liked to see around the time Floyd retired :-X Cotto, Margarito and Williams were the top 3 challengers around the end of 2007 but Floyd had signed for a rematch with De La Hoya instead before retiring :-\ those were the dance partners he should have been paired with instead of The Big Show or Karina Smirnoff :-X
Pointless, boring match.
Floyd would box circles around the clueless MargaCheato. If you thought the Floyd-Canelo fight was a total whitewash..... it would actually look like the Leonard-Benitez chess match compared to Floyd-MargaCheato.
Floyd would be unable to hurt MargaCheato (MC for short) .... so he would pot shot him, pepper him with combinations..... hell..... he'd probably strike up a conversation with ringsiders, out of pure boredom. It's one of the ATG boxers versus a plodding , one-eyed Neanderthal. What could possibly be interesting about that?? MC is naturally twice as big as Floyd, and has more than a pretty good chin. Hmmm..... on the other hand..... there's always a chance Floyd could do a Mosley on MC. God knows Mosley's annihilation of MC remains one of my favorite fights of all time.
But otherwise, no. Horrible match.
Several stories, to which I eventually walked away from.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you know the story behind why the fight didn't happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Peep this:
Ali came up with GOAT
PBF came up with TBE
One of those guys fought the best with no stories to be told why he missed so and so.
Another of those guys has a billions excuses/reasons of why no Margarito, no Paul Williams, no Manny Pacquiao...
I've never heard several stories about it, I just know one story - what actually happened and has been verified by all sides involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Yep, about sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Margo could have both gloves loaded with concrete and he would have still lost.
I dont see Floyd as a runner. I see him as a dissolver of power,a spoiler of sorts but one who counters and makes some 3 dimensional fighters look 1 dimensional in their confusion. Lets have Marg starting at 2 dimensional just to be benevolent.:)
You're too kind, @Andre .
Floyd and Ali are both as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeSeveral stories, to which I eventually walked away from.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you know the story behind why the fight didn't happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Peep this:
Ali came up with GOAT
PBF came up with TBE
One of those guys fought the best with no stories to be told why he missed so and so.
Another of those guys has a billions excuses/reasons of why no Margarito, no Paul Williams, no Manny Pacquiao...
Floyd ducked the very best fighters. But dominantly beat most of the ones he did fight.
Ali fought the very best fighters but he was basically gifted farcially through his entire career against too many of them.
Bean & I were discussing why Floyd didn't fight Margarito, not how dominant he was-when he fought others or how farcical Ali was...when facing the best.
Hence, why Bean wrote: Do you know the story behind why the fight didn't happen?
That's exactly right..... and the answer was provided about 9 posts ago.
This would've been a "no-win" fight for Floyd. Absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose.
They didn't belong in the same boxing stratosphere together, much less share a ring.
But given Cheato's penchant for loading gloves, his huge size (compared to Floyd), and his excellent chin, there was always that infinitesimal chance of Cheato catching Floyd (think the Martinez-Chavez Jr. debacle, only twice as one-sided). It would be like watching a bullfight, on the outside chance the bull might gore the matador.
Bottom line is: Cheato didn't deserve a shot at boxing's best.
Hey, gotta give credit to Bob Arum for beefing up the fight without a cause- Margarito "the most feared" man. :rolleyes: with how many losses at that point?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeHey, gotta give credit to Bob Arum for beefing up the fight without a cause- Margarito "the most feared" man. :rolleyes: with how many losses at that point?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
That's why Bob Arum has been a highly successful promoter for so many years.
He could promote a match between a rabid Chihuahua and a 500-lb Bengal tiger, and people would buy the PPV.
Floyd and ali and are just a couple of duckers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerFloyd and Ali are both as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeSeveral stories, to which I eventually walked away from.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo you know the story behind why the fight didn't happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Peep this:
Ali came up with GOAT
PBF came up with TBE
One of those guys fought the best with no stories to be told why he missed so and so.
Another of those guys has a billions excuses/reasons of why no Margarito, no Paul Williams, no Manny Pacquiao...
Floyd ducked the very best fighters. But dominantly beat most of the ones he did fight.
Ali fought the very best fighters but he was basically gifted farcially through his entire career against too many of them.
Let's just call rocky balboa the TBE and goat and call it day...thats what the majority want..a guy that takes loads of damage and scrapes a win.