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Stiverne stops Wilder between 7 and 9. He's gonna catch Wilder clean... and if it happens early in the round, he will get the three knock down rule. If it happens at the end of the round, by the middle of the next round he will knock him out clean.
I'm sticking with this!
Wilder by mid-round KO.
The Haitian Nightmare by KNOCK THE FOOOK OUT, ROUND 2, @2:12 SECONDS
With no great confidence , I'm gonna say Wilder 5th round KO .
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Stiverne in 8, lots of knockdowns
This is a tough call, which means its a good fight. Stiverne hasn't faced anyone like Wilder, but Wilder hasn't faced anyone remotely like Stiverne. Stiverne is the vet. I wonder if Stiverne can get inside on Wilder and crowd him or if Stiverne will play counter puncher and hang out on the outside like he usually does, which seems dangerous against a rangy Wilder. Maybe Wilder plays safe and jabs. I lean Stiverne.
As much as I may want Wilder to be, sticking with what I've seen and its a guy never hit clean with very very few rounds of quality. I don't buy Heavies until they walk through, or not, a punch. That's all I want to see honestly. Tonight...I think wilder goes all new born Gazelle and falls over like a Jenga tower near a slammed door.
No great confidence here either..Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
But I'm taking Stiverne a little earlier by round 3 KO.
I think Stiverne KO's Wilder with the first connected half-hard punch the moment he lands it. If he can land it.
Aw hell..... let me flip the coin.
I hope Wilder proves me wrong, but I predict Stiverne weathers the early storm and connects the first punch thrown in anger on Wilder. The whole HW fan base will be holding its breath waiting to see what happens next. Unfortunately, I predict Wilder will not take the punch well, and Stiverne is going to take the opportunity and put Wilder away.
Stiverne TKO 4.
(Damn I hope I'm wrong).
I am going to go with wilder by 3rd round tko, stiverne will be stopped on his feet after winning the first round and feeling pain in the 2nd.. :S
Wilder by KO before 5th.
Awesome!
A nearly half/half split of opinion on Saddo.
A lot of difficult to predict HW matches when it comes to these really hard punchers.
All this talk of Fury ducking hard punchers the other day, I actually think it's time Wladimir fought one of them soon too, just to put his chin in harms way again :cool:
Winner should fight Wlad next!
Nobody is gonna technically outbox him but a puncher always has a chance!
a barn stormer would be idealQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
id put money on wilder by the way
if i was going to put money on anyonw
This fight is going to show us whether Bermane Stiverne is a big lazy lump or a cold calculating counter puncher and it'll also show us if Deontay Wilder is good enough technically to handle a dangerous fighter or if he's the heavyweight version of Randall Bailey where he is just horrific if anything at all is coming back at him.
Between the two I would reckon Stiverne might cause Wladimir more trouble because it's proven that he has a solid chin, has big power, and is a counter puncher. Wilder has pure power and I just think Wlad is too smart and too good at this stage of his career to get beat by such a onesided fighter.
Wilder points decision.
I don't think this is going to a UD. Wilder is chinny, and Stiverne won't take a Wilder punch head on for too long. No one can take a Wilder punch flush and make it UNLESS it is at the end of the round and the following round he runs around the ring.
With that being said, I don't think it will have a lot of action either. Stiverne will ride the outside for whatever amount of time he needs, will dodge to his right on Wilder and wait to time Wilder with a shot.
This will end in a ko. How Stiverne reacts when and if Wilder clips him will be the real story of this fight. But I feel when Wilder gets hit with a shot from Stiverne, and like Arreola and a few others, will not be able to handle it-- because it will be a sneaky counterpunch, one in which Wilder won't see coming or be able to brace for.
This is all up to Stiverne- how long will he wait? How long will he wait? I think he will wait for a few rounds.. he will be behind on points, but he will clip Wilder and will finish him.
I would like to see Wilder win by KO and spread some new life into the division.
For that hope and my belief that his power is the real deal, I will pick him by early to mid KO.
It is a pick em fight at best, with Stiverne being the more proven commodity, but a little lazy in there. Smart, but lazy.
stiverne weathers early hard shots, but remains patient, and comes back in rd 5 or 6 and KO's wilder. wilders legs are too thin/weak to take stivernes hard punches. wilder hasnt fought anyone even remotely good.
KNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Stiverine would get cuddled to KO
wilder would be much harder to hug
Stiverne is a lazy HW, not in training but in his low workrate. He doesn't throw a punch unless the opening is there, rarely forcing the action. Which is all good and well but Wilder is a very long and aggressive fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Wilder is not as good a boxer as Arreola and not 1/5th as strong and durable either. But he is very fast and he is very powerful and does have the same range again over Stiverne as Arreola had.
It will be interesting.
I tip Stiverne but make no bets.
The best result would be for Wilder to win by KO in good style, after a few rounds and after taking a few digs too.
Wilder KO6
Bottom line is we need to see Wilder take some big shots and see if he can then go on and get the KO.
Hope so i really do as just him doing that will simply ignite the Heavyweight division literally overnight.
Time has come for a bona fide threat to Wlad.
Wilder has this. 32 wins 32 KO's no doubt whatsoever
Yes indeed and his toughest opponent has been this guy http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps64yso9z0.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by tiptv
He managed to barely scrape a top 50 world ranked fighter to place on his lodge pole. Now he may be the real deal but he flails like Jess Willard. You could make a run to the corner store in between those shots. They do look impressive against a heavy bag though.
His only chance is to stop straight on Stiverne and try to land a looper in the first few rounds when the Stiv fights like he just snorted a couple of caps of valiun. Not only has Wilder never been hit clean by a legit heavyweight but he has rarely fought over six minutes.
Note to Canadians: Showtime has apparently stopped its broadcasts of boxing in our country via Super Channel. Apparently TSN has stepped up for this fight. Not sure if its going to be str3amed or broadcast on the cable channel but at least somebody stepped up. I have not been to tsn.ca to check it out yet.
I don't think that is the case at all. We don't need to see Wilder's chin tested IF we can see him box smartly. Deontay Wilder has all the attributes you want in a fighter physically, he's tall, rangy, he knows how to punch hard....all I need to see from him are the mental/psychological traits of a champion. How does he handle adversity, knockdown, cut, a difficult style, a point deduction, etc. Can he avoid danger how is his defense? Does he take too many BAD risks? Can he fight tall, can he establish the jab and set up his attack? Can he control pace and distance with the jab?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Wladimir doesn't have the greatest chin, we all know that, but he is a great champion regardless of that. Being champion is about making the best use of the tools God gave you and what your trainer advises you to do...Mark Breland can really make a name for himself as a trainer if he can get Wilder to BOX Stiverne and break BWare down. In all honesty I would be more worried as a Wladimir Klitschko fan if Deontay Wilder BOXED and broke down Stiverne than if he just launched a first round bomb-fest and stopped him early.
Perfect records are damn near impossible to come by....perfect records with 100% KO's? Even rarer. Deontay won't go his entire career KO-ing everyone, he'll eventually HAVE to last 12 and we'll see how that goes.
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Originally Posted by El KabongI don't think that is the case at all. We don't need to see Wilder's chin tested IF we can see him box smartly. Deontay Wilder has all the attributes you want in a fighter physically, he's tall, rangy, he knows how to punch hard....all I need to see from him are the mental/psychological traits of a champion. How does he handle adversity, knockdown, cut, a difficult style, a point deduction, etc. Can he avoid danger how is his defense? Does he take too many BAD risks? Can he fight tall, can he establish the jab and set up his attack? Can he control pace and distance with the jab?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Wladimir doesn't have the greatest chin, we all know that, but he is a great champion regardless of that. Being champion is about making the best use of the tools God gave you and what your trainer advises you to do...Mark Breland can really make a name for himself as a trainer if he can get Wilder to BOX Stiverne and break BWare down. In all honesty I would be more worried as a Wladimir Klitschko fan if Deontay Wilder BOXED and broke down Stiverne than if he just launched a first round bomb-fest and stopped him early.
Perfect records are damn near impossible to come by....perfect records with 100% KO's? Even rarer. Deontay won't go his entire career KO-ing everyone, he'll eventually HAVE to last 12 and we'll see how that goes.
Lyle..... every Champion in history has had a half decent chin - that is Fact, doesn't have to be total Granite but good enough to take shots and come firing back.
Wilder has NEVER been hit by anyone because he's never fought anyone remotely capable of hitting him.
Exactly the same as Anthony Joshua is now, he needs testing.
It really is incredible when you look at the positions that Wilder and Fury are both in rankings wise then look at the utter dog shit opponents they have faced to get their.
Rewind 20 years and i doubt either of them would even be in the top 20 Heavyweights if that was all they had faced ;)
Concrete evidence of the pure weakness of the division over the last 7-8 years.
Agreed that would be best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Fingers crossed.
Stiverne knocks him out in 1.
People forget that Stiverne can box... and can fight a little too.
Stiverne stops Wilder in 7 or 8 ;)
Wilder around the 7th; he'll play safe the first 2-3 rounds with a more agressive Stiverne and as the fight unfolds, he'll start to find is Rythm, jab from the distance with tons of movement and then ... lights out Stiverne.
Could be Foreman Lyle all over again ya reckon LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44a barn stormer would be idealQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong