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He's willing to make the fight in the UK too. That would be good? Wilder has a big task this weekend though, so he shouldn't overlook Stiverne.
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He's willing to make the fight in the UK too. That would be good? Wilder has a big task this weekend though, so he shouldn't overlook Stiverne.
So he IS looking past Stiverne. lololol... he's nuts.
That's not what I took away from that article but that's not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Do you think Fury would take the fight with Wilder?
Woddle...walk...then run Deontay. First things first...take a punch and adversity and triumph.
As much as I'd like to also floor it on a one lane empty highway...eventually you'll hit the ocean and need to prove you can swim ashore
At least it's better talk than bringing Mike Tyson out of retirement
Don King has basically announced he is now senile with his Tyson comment.
Fury and Wilder would be the quickest knocked out supers for Wladimir out of all the contenders because they have no chins.
Povetkin, Pulev, Stiverne and Arreola can all take a good punch so they are more solid competition.
Haye couldn't take the power either but his skills and athleticism and reflexes are such that he is highly competitive.
Old school thinking, call out the ones at the top, then go for it, rather than Whoever my promoter wants me to fight spiel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Gotta' like the kid's tenacity.
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Originally Posted by SlimTraeOld school thinking, call out the ones at the top, then go for it, rather than Whoever my promoter wants me to fight spiel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Gotta' like the kid's tenacity.
He says that though but it's taken 33 fights to fight somebody with a pulse
I think Fury would take the fight with anyone. I like Fury now. He is what the division needs. Not his style, but the division needs a guy like him on any given night!Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThat's not what I took away from that article but that's not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Do you think Fury would take the fight with Wilder?
I was just gonna ask about this Seddon.... what the fuck is Jennings supposed to do!?!? He is the #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Fury is nothing but a supersized Muhammad Ali. Same tippy tap style.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI think Fury would take the fight with anyone. I like Fury now. He is what the division needs. Not his style, but the division needs a guy like him on any given night!Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThat's not what I took away from that article but that's not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Do you think Fury would take the fight with Wilder?
Unfortunately the division isn't populated by Henry Coopers or Joe Fraziers anymore, it's got Wilders.
Fury might outbox him, but since Fury's defence+chin himself isn't too great and Wilder has the harder shot I can see this being a rather great road block for Fury.
Wilder KO Fury
even though Fury is technically a better boxer
"Supersized Ali!" That has got to be the biggest backhanded compliment anyone has ever had in their life.
How the fuck do Ali and Fury get mentioned in the same sentence?
I had to look twice to see if Bill Paxtom posted it! 😃
Wilder better avoid Wlad as he is not ready for him yet.
Ironically, I think Wilder matches up better with Fury than with Stiverne.
Assuming Wilder gets past Stiverne.... I'd like his chances against Fury.
True, but I understand why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeOld school thinking, call out the ones at the top, then go for it, rather than Whoever my promoter wants me to fight spiel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Gotta' like the kid's tenacity.
He says that though but it's taken 33 fights to fight somebody with a pulse
Olympians Luis Yanez, RauShee Warren, GARY Russell JR, Demetrius Andrade
were touted as the best Olympians. Raynell Williams, Sadam Ali & Javier Molina and I think even Shawn Estrada all had way more amatuer fights overall then Wilder.
Yet the least skilled or experienced amatuer shall I say- pulled a medal.
So for those who say football players wouldn't make good boxers should know that was Wilder's goal.
But he turned to boxing knowing he could make some money- where NCAA football wasnt a guarantee he'd make it..so he turned amatuer in 2005? And won a medal in 2008? Tam you would know way better than I how difficult that is...you're a fighter.
There was no skill he could have accumulated IMO to win the medal- that was heart, will power and KO power. No fundamentals -just On the job training..& Mark Breland know this,- give him a heepin' of tomato cans, build his confidence- but his power keeps him from gaining rounds..So that IMO is why they have taken so long to get here...but guess what?
He's here now!
:rolleyes:
I agree, absolutely. Fury would fight anyone between him and Wald, I think he actually gets pissed off if other fighters think they can beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI think Fury would take the fight with anyone. I like Fury now. He is what the division needs. Not his style, but the division needs a guy like him on any given night!Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThat's not what I took away from that article but that's not important.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Do you think Fury would take the place fight with Wilder?
I also think he is becoming smarter about fights. He knows as he moves up that each fight is much more important than the last. So I'm thinking he will listen to his advisors, therefore Fury is probably more than willing to anyone, but his advisors aren't.
Hopefully we'll get a chance to find out!
Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.
Id say that Stiverne was hugely over rated from beating Arreola.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Iv been saying for ages Stiverne isn't that good. Cant move his head out the way of a punch. Cant move on his feet fast enough and gets hit far too much. A heavy Berto.
Wilder proved he is not as fragile as we thought, although lots of the punches it looked like he took we saw on replay he actually rode because he saw them coming as Stiverne telegraphed them. Stiverne was so poor at being in range to punch he nearly fell through the ropes!
See the times Wilder was pressured? Just put his gloves up and stood in front of Stiverne. No skills to hold, turn or move. Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?
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Originally Posted by rossSomeone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
You could just as easily be talking about a certain other fighter there Ross... ;D
(you're on the money with what you're saying about Wilder, but you won't apply the same logic elsewhere though? ???)
Remember what I've told you about having consistency in your opinions and standards? :vd:
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Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by rossSomeone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
You could just as easily be talking about a certain other fighter there Ross... ;D
(you're on the money with what you're saying about Wilder, but you won't apply the same logic elsewhere though? ???)
Remember what I've told you about having consistency in your opinions and standards? :vd:
Lets use the ross logic -
Stiverne is a far bigger puncher than anything that fury has faced , Wilder took shots and didn't go down.
Wilder has a better chin than fury , hits harder , and has faster hands , so how exactly is fury going to win ?
Maul him to death ?
Wilder beats Fury and Wlad. White boys your reign in heavyweight boxing is coming to an end (lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I meant taller than 6,2"Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBQuote:
Originally Posted by rossSomeone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
You could just as easily be talking about a certain other fighter there Ross... ;D
(you're on the money with what you're saying about Wilder, but you won't apply the same logic elsewhere though? ???)
Remember what I've told you about having consistency in your opinions and standards? :vd:
If you haven't got many skills and just plod forward throwing hooks which leave you face first in the ropes your going to need to be taller.
Look at this dickhead who has just posted. Why is that acceptable?
Two oafs just fought over scraps, don't get too excited denilson.....
The reason Stiverne didn't look that good is because Wilder made him look bad with an outstanding jab that didn't stop coming the entire fight, and nearly constant movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossId say that Stiverne was hugely over rated from beating Arreola.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Iv been saying for ages Stiverne isn't that good. Cant move his head out the way of a punch. Cant move on his feet fast enough and gets hit far too much. A heavy Berto.
Wilder proved he is not as fragile as we thought, although lots of the punches it looked like he took we saw on replay he actually rode because he saw them coming as Stiverne telegraphed them. Stiverne was so poor at being in range to punch he nearly fell through the ropes!
See the times Wilder was pressured? Just put his gloves up and stood in front of Stiverne. No skills to hold, turn or move. Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?
I was worried Wilder might punch himself out after the sixth or seventh, but he stayed calm, listened to his corner, kept that jab in Stivern's face, and basically lead Stiverne around the ring like a dog on a lead.
You say Wilder didn't get hit that much because he was rolling with the punches. Sir, that is what he has been trained to do, that's what good boxers do.
You talk like Stiverne didn't land anything at all because he was so slow. Apparently you were at the frig when they were showing some of the replays, so I'll help you out by saying that Wilder did eat some good punches and kept right on fighting.
Stiverne nearly fell through the ropes all by himself because he was exhausted from the ass kicking he was taking and out of desperation to land something solid.
Wilder did lay on the ropes, at times, late in the fight but that was to be expected as this was the first time he'd been past 4 rounds in a fight, and he was fighting in a fast paced fight. I'd like to point out that nearly every time Wilder came off the ropes he gave Stirvene a little something extra, which you probably missed because of your extreme case of tunnel vision.😊
I might as well do a little crowing myself. I've been saying, for a while, that you can't really say Wilder is a one trick pony just because he KOs everyone he fights, I think Wilder proved that last night.
That's all water under the bridge now.
ROSS, DO YOU THINK FURY AND HIS TEAM WILL TAKE THE FIGHT WITH WILDER?
I think Wilder should fight some of the big HWs before he takes on
Wlad. I know you don't think so, but there are plenty of us who think Tyson needs some more experience before he fights for a belt, especially before he fights for Wlad's belts.
What do y'all think
Stiverne didn't look that good because he isn't that good. He already has a stoppage loss and a draw. I have said previously I don't think he's very good. Its not hind site.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedThe reason Stiverne didn't look that good is because Wilder made him look bad with an outstanding jab that didn't stop coming the entire fight, and nearly constant movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossId say that Stiverne was hugely over rated from beating Arreola.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Iv been saying for ages Stiverne isn't that good. Cant move his head out the way of a punch. Cant move on his feet fast enough and gets hit far too much. A heavy Berto.
Wilder proved he is not as fragile as we thought, although lots of the punches it looked like he took we saw on replay he actually rode because he saw them coming as Stiverne telegraphed them. Stiverne was so poor at being in range to punch he nearly fell through the ropes!
See the times Wilder was pressured? Just put his gloves up and stood in front of Stiverne. No skills to hold, turn or move. Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?
I was worried Wilder might punch himself out after the sixth or seventh, but he stayed calm, listened to his corner, kept that jab in Stivern's face, and basically lead Stiverne around the ring like a dog on a lead.
You say Wilder didn't get hit that much because he was rolling with the punches. Sir, that is what he has been trained to do, that's what good boxers do.
You talk like Stiverne didn't land anything at all because he was so slow. Apparently you were at the frig when they were showing some of the replays, so I'll help you out by saying that Wilder did eat some good punches and kept right on fighting.
Stiverne nearly fell through the ropes all by himself because he was exhausted from the ass kicking he was taking and out of desperation to land something solid.
Wilder did lay on the ropes, at times, late in the fight but that was to be expected as this was the first time he'd been past 4 rounds in a fight, and he was fighting in a fast paced fight. I'd like to point out that nearly every time Wilder came off the ropes he gave Stirvene a little something extra, which you probably missed because of your extreme case of tunnel vision.😊
I might as well do a little crowing myself. I've been saying, for a while, that you can't really say Wilder is a one trick pony just because he KOs everyone he fights, I think Wilder proved that last night.
That's all water under the bridge now.
ROSS, DO YOU THINK FURY AND HIS TEAM WILL TAKE THE FIGHT WITH WILDER?
I think Wilder should fight some of the big HWs before he takes on
Wlad. I know you don't think so, but there are plenty of us who think Tyson needs some more experience before he fights for a belt, especially before he fights for Wlad's belts.
What do y'all think
Do I think Fury would take the fight?
They already tried making that fight when Haye pulled out. You think now its a massive fight with a world title on the line that they wouldnt?
Wilder has a nice jab. He got invaluable experience last night but the way he reacted under Stivernes ineffective pressure by just clamming up would be a worry for his team. He needs a defence against probably Arreola. Someone who can push him but would never get past his jab.
Ross, when you talk about an opponent only being 6 foot 2, do you Christian (not a world title holder' Hammer?
I'm assuming that the 'ineffective, come forward plodder' you were talking about Derrick 'not a world title holder' Chisora?
Just curious? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?
Read it again...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Im saying if you have little skill you will need size. Chisora actually can work, move his feet and his upper body. If you are poor in those areas and cant even match up size wise either you are fucked. Chisora probably beats Stiverne.
Would Stiverne have reached the final bell with Vitali?
Fury is very easy to hit, Wilder will hit him, end of. Hope Tyson gets some money for his last 'serious' heavyweight fight. If he gets past Hans Christian Anderson, and gets the shot against Deontay, then thats about his swansong.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossRead it again...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Im saying if you have little skill you will need size. Chisora actually can work, move his feet and his upper body. If you are poor in those areas and cant even match up size wise either you are fucked. Chisora probably beats Stiverne.
Would Stiverne have reached the final bell with Vitali?
I know! I've been saying this all along about Fury! ;D :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossRead it again...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Im saying if you have little skill you will need size.
I know. Its only ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI know! I've been saying this all along about Fury! ;D :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by rossRead it again...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Im saying if you have little skill you will need size.
Fury v Wilder would be a great media spectacle and hopefully a decent fight. Wilder will have to get in line for Wlad as it seems Jennings v Wlad is sealed for April 25th ???
If Wilder wants he can now bypass Fury..I wouldn't be surprised if his handlers suggest this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
No need to throw away the biggest fight to be made.
Anything is possible, Fury could beat him well, or win a bullshit judged fight....The stage is set for Wild-Wlad.
That is what I'd do if I were Wilder's handlers..."F" Fury at this point.
Fury is in no mans land...not his fault that Wilder doesn't need him to get a shot @ Wlad.
The kicker is ..Wlad feels he knows his old sparring partner can't take it like he gives it...Oh it's on now!
Fury would beat wilder
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Not for me Tam , Wilder is faster , hits a lot harder , and also now seems to have the better chin , fury is wide open .
My money is on fury going down within 2 rounds , if a CW can floor him, Wilder executes him.
David Haye its coming back,soon all will change
I agree. Wilder answered a lot of questions with this win. He is fast, hits hard, can fight for 12 rounds, follow a gameplan, take a punch etc. Wilder has the right attitude too, he seems dedicated and serious. It's great to see a tall HW come in at 219 pounds and it's good to see such a tall man move around the ring as well as he does. He could and perhaps should have stepped it up sooner, but now that he has he is going to be a challenge for anyone. I think it is too soon for Wlad, but he should definitely fight Fury and probably do a number on him. He's too quick, has good movement and isn't going to be leaned on or kept at a distance. Fury doesn't have massive power either. If Stiverne is going to land and Wilder walks through it, then I don't see Fury doing much more. It's the likes of Wlad or even someone like Haye you have to worry about more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Not for me Tam , Wilder is faster , hits a lot harder , and also now seems to have the better chin , fury is wide open .
My money is on fury going down within 2 rounds , if a CW can floor him, Wilder executes him.
Stiverne didnt land much and what did land Wilder was able to take the sting out of because it was thrown out of range and telegraphed. Nothing has changed for me. He did what I said he would do against a poor opponent, land at will. The only thing Wilder didnt do that I thought he would is stop stiverne. You are over rating Stiverne.
Fury got tagged by that big shot from Cunnigham because he was being stupid and showboating. The shot switched him on and he dominated the fight from that point. Cunningham had never been stopped and he's proving he's a decent heavyweight now. Furys Improved since then too. He's older and he will have Peter Fury in his corner this time so there wouldnt be any messing around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Not for me Tam , Wilder is faster , hits a lot harder , and also now seems to have the better chin , fury is wide open .
My money is on fury going down within 2 rounds , if a CW can floor him, Wilder executes him.
Wilders wide open, when he lunges in with those huge shots. I think fury boxes his head off all night and wins a UD, maybe a stoppage.
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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
im not so sure mate
furys record isnt much better than wilders was before the weekend in terms of names, chisora and cunningham were probably the difference, and fury definately hasnt been as impressive against those journeymen although his win over chiz was impressive
im sure a wilder fury fight would make them both rich, wouldnt it?
Furys win over Cunningham is a better result than what Stiverne had.
Cunningham was robbed blind against Adamek at heavy but Adamek battered Arreola and won comfortably. Cunningham also has a stoppage win over Huck. A win over Mansour. Watching the fight over the weekend he beats stiverne too.
All Arreola can say is he lost to anyone halfway decent he faced.