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According to this, the troubles with Chavez is on going and I am certain Froch will still be hungry to fight. I'd prefer this fight over Chavez, Hopkins is far more deserving. I don't see how it would be PPV in the states though.
Has the makings of the ugliest fight of the year.
it would be a real shame if froch lost to hopkins
I'm a fan of both guys, but an admitted Hop hugger. That being said, this is a bad match up for Hop. Froch has the mentality to make this a physical and fast paced fight and Hop won't be able to keep up at this point. As amazing as Hop is, his physical abilities and stamina are gone. With Ward n Froch at 168 n Kov the man at 175, I don't see much hope for Hop to pick up another title. I would like to see him retire at this point.
True, Hopkins has that ability to stink things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Hopkins fights to win instead of entertain which can lead to boring fights. Sometimes Hopkins reminds me more of an auto mechanic that a fighter. Methodical? Yeah!
I'd stay away from Hopkins. Would much rather see Froch vs Chavez.
Froch and Chavez would both be fighting for their country. Better fight for the fans.
Sources have advised boxscene that Hopkins wants to fight again.
Hopkins never won a supermiddle title.
Froch really really wants to fight in Vegas.
Chavez jr is having legal problems with TopRank.
Ridiculous.
Come on Carl. This cant even be considered a cash out and certainly is no ppv headliner. It also does nothing legacy wise at this point. Froch should just retire before he undermines his entire career. He obviously wants a fight he does not have to get wound up for. Froch took shots at Calzaghe in 08 for fighting Hopkins and then tried to get the fight in 09. They then tried again in 2011 and now its 2015 and the man is 50 and he wants this as his career ender in Vegas?
Just fight your mandatory(Degale) in Nottingham to thank all the homies and call it a day win or lose. And least if you lose its to a young talented upstart poised to enter the fray and it most likely makes a ton more money then Chavez or Hopkins. And should Carl win, that's a nice high note to go out on.
Would depend on the rest of the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Would like to see Froch vs Jr, but like most boxing fans, I'll watch.
What's the problem between Arum and Jr?
This more or less sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedWould depend on the rest of the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Would like to see Froch vs Jr, but like most boxing fans, I'll watch.
What's the problem between Arum and Jr?
Bob Arum: Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. turned down 'crazy' offer to face Gennady Golovkin - Ring TV
That makes sense to you and me, but he wants Vegas. It seems like this fight is for Froch and his beautiful lady. I can understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Originally Posted by beenKOedThat makes sense to you and me, but he wants Vegas. It seems like this fight is for Froch and his beautiful lady. I can understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah but at what cost? I mean I heard Scott Pemberton is unsatisfied with his final loss to Manfredo and wants to make a comeback. Its odd to say the least that he seems more bent out of shape about fighting in Vegas and is looking for the easiest route fight wise to end it all there. If I lived in Nottingham I might be egging his house.
Poor Bob! Lol. He should take what he can get and forget what's gone. Bob has a real vindictive streak in him, of course, you knew that already.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThis more or less sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedWould depend on the rest of the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Would like to see Froch vs Jr, but like most boxing fans, I'll watch.
What's the problem between Arum and Jr?
Bob Arum: Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. turned down 'crazy' offer to face Gennady Golovkin - Ring TV
What's your opinion? Is Chavez smarter than he acts, or dislikes being told what to do or who to fight?
In fairness poor Jr. I mean has he really done anything to be mentioned as a "super" opponent for anyone? How does he even deserve 7 figure paydays to begin with?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedPoor Bob! Lol. He should take what he can get and forget what's gone. Bob has a real vindictive streak in him, of course, you knew that already.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThis more or less sums it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedWould depend on the rest of the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Would like to see Froch vs Jr, but like most boxing fans, I'll watch.
What's the problem between Arum and Jr?
Bob Arum: Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. turned down 'crazy' offer to face Gennady Golovkin - Ring TV
What's your opinion? Is Chavez smarter than he acts, or dislikes being told what to do or who to fight?
Not good for either fighter.
Froch should try and fight another bum in Vegas or Kessler and then get serious with a fight with De Gale/Grove and retire.
Or see if Ward is willing to cross the pond; it would sellout for a shot at vindication.
Ward has already said he won't fight Froch in the UK because of "inconsistent judging" . To be honest I don't blame him.
Froch has effectively said he can not beat him - so they will never fight one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
First, his statement is simply factually incorrect and if that's his premise for not fighting someone then he better stop fighting in the States. I'm so sick of this urban legend leveled at Britain and specifically England and it is, and that's why it wont go away. We can go back to 1865 and work forward and I guarantee Andre Ward that it wont be Britain on top of the heap. In fact I'll go further and compose a comparison if need be and finish it by the end of the day which will show that since say 1970, Vegas alone has more bullshit score cards then all of Britain combined in the same time frame.
Second, this is coming from a guy who had his own way as in judges, ref and location his entire career and then when it looked like he may have to bend when no opponents were worthy in his division he went on strike.
I never said there are more bad decisions in the UK, I'm just saying that there are some examples. I accept it happens everywhere , especially Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuithttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf74e5c4d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
First, his statement is simply factually incorrect and if that's his premise for not fighting someone then he better stop fighting in the States. I'm so sick of this urban legend leveled at Britain and specifically England and it is, and that's why it wont go away. We can go back to 1865 and work forward and I guarantee Andre Ward that it wont be Britain on top of the heap. In fact I'll go further and compose a comparison if need be and finish it by the end of the day which will show that since say 1970, Vegas alone has more bullshit score cards then all of Britain combined in the same time frame.
Second, this is coming from a guy who had his own way as in judges, ref and location his entire career and then when it looked like he may have to bend when no opponents were worthy in his division he went on strike.
I think Ward is just saying he's not putting himself in that position. The crowd can have a massive effect on scores. Froch could be coming forward and missing with everything, but the judges would give him rounds just because of the noise. Ward feels he's the #1 and doesn't need to put himself in that position , That's all.
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Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI never said there are more bad decisions in the UK, I'm just saying that there are some examples. I accept it happens everywhere , especially Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuithttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf74e5c4d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
First, his statement is simply factually incorrect and if that's his premise for not fighting someone then he better stop fighting in the States. I'm so sick of this urban legend leveled at Britain and specifically England and it is, and that's why it wont go away. We can go back to 1865 and work forward and I guarantee Andre Ward that it wont be Britain on top of the heap. In fact I'll go further and compose a comparison if need be and finish it by the end of the day which will show that since say 1970, Vegas alone has more bullshit score cards then all of Britain combined in the same time frame.
Second, this is coming from a guy who had his own way as in judges, ref and location his entire career and then when it looked like he may have to bend when no opponents were worthy in his division he went on strike.
I think Ward is just saying he's not putting himself in that position. The crowd can have a massive effect on scores. Froch could be coming forward and missing with everything, but the judges would give him rounds just because of the noise. Ward feels he's the #1 and doesn't need to put himself in that position , That's all.
I'm really addressing him not you but you did say you couldn't blame him. I just dont get the complaint and never have. It just does not pass the litmus test.
Horrible match up, Bernard has a chance at some belts, Froch has a chance at - what? Pretty soon it will be like golf and we'll have a seniors set of champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
The reason I said I didn't blame him was because of the paragraph above. I'm not saying he'll get robbed, but why even put yourself in that possible scenario when you see yourself as #1 and don't have to?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI never said there are more bad decisions in the UK, I'm just saying that there are some examples. I accept it happens everywhere , especially Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuithttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf74e5c4d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
First, his statement is simply factually incorrect and if that's his premise for not fighting someone then he better stop fighting in the States. I'm so sick of this urban legend leveled at Britain and specifically England and it is, and that's why it wont go away. We can go back to 1865 and work forward and I guarantee Andre Ward that it wont be Britain on top of the heap. In fact I'll go further and compose a comparison if need be and finish it by the end of the day which will show that since say 1970, Vegas alone has more bullshit score cards then all of Britain combined in the same time frame.
Second, this is coming from a guy who had his own way as in judges, ref and location his entire career and then when it looked like he may have to bend when no opponents were worthy in his division he went on strike.
I think Ward is just saying he's not putting himself in that position. The crowd can have a massive effect on scores. Froch could be coming forward and missing with everything, but the judges would give him rounds just because of the noise. Ward feels he's the #1 and doesn't need to put himself in that position , That's all.
I'm really addressing him not you but you did say you couldn't blame him. I just dont get the complaint and never have. It just does not pass the litmus test.
Stylistically this might be one f'ugly match. Bit of a head scratcher
Hopkins is looking for a big cheque. He's dreaming about filling Wembley and getting a chunk of the Sky PPV. I also think it'd be horrible to watch and I don't think it'd sell well either.
I agree, absolutely!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuithttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf74e5c4d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
First, his statement is simply factually incorrect and if that's his premise for not fighting someone then he better stop fighting in the States. I'm so sick of this urban legend leveled at Britain and specifically England and it is, and that's why it wont go away. We can go back to 1865 and work forward and I guarantee Andre Ward that it wont be Britain on top of the heap. In fact I'll go further and compose a comparison if need be and finish it by the end of the day which will show that since say 1970, Vegas alone has more bullshit score cards then all of Britain combined in the same time frame.
Second, this is coming from a guy who had his own way as in judges, ref and location his entire career and then when it looked like he may have to bend when no opponents were worthy in his division he went on strike.
One fight to this day I'm impressed with from a judging standpoint was the SD Michael Moorer got in Germany over Axel Schultz. It really could have gone either way-as the crowd's raucous chants of approval cascaded through the place whenever Axel threw anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuithttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf74e5c4d.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
First, his statement is simply factually incorrect and if that's his premise for not fighting someone then he better stop fighting in the States. I'm so sick of this urban legend leveled at Britain and specifically England and it is, and that's why it wont go away. We can go back to 1865 and work forward and I guarantee Andre Ward that it wont be Britain on top of the heap. In fact I'll go further and compose a comparison if need be and finish it by the end of the day which will show that since say 1970, Vegas alone has more bullshit score cards then all of Britain combined in the same time frame.
Second, this is coming from a guy who had his own way as in judges, ref and location his entire career and then when it looked like he may have to bend when no opponents were worthy in his division he went on strike.
P.S. poo-poo on Froch for considering Hop.