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If you ever wanted to see a textbook performance, particularly one from an all time great, check at how Larry Holmes literally out-points 88 Gold Medallist, Ray Mercer.
This is textbook boxing. Just watching this fight, while it isn't a thriller, would give you more experience than watching 20 fights from today's heavyweights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izY9RHhc9Gw
Time to start the 1990's upset thread. And this was textbook only for advanced students though.
Holmes got long due respect from that fight. Mercer had just decapitated Morrison and was considered a real contender and an old Holmes 'schools' him. Magic stuff.
Larry Holmes without question only trained 3 weeks ITS HIS OWN FAULT for his Tyson fight. Had he trained 9 weeks....different story.
Larry Holmes #3 ATG HW.
only Louis, Ali ranked higher.
Have to give credit to old pineapple head, he was the real deal Holyfield!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I felt Holmes fought to a draw against Holyfield or at least won 5 rounds.
He put up a good effort against Evander and vomited at the end of the fight. He said Holyfield was very strong physically but not skilled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I didn't want to say this or people would have called be crazy. But, yes... that fight was a draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Walkin' & vomiting on the way to his corner. Brings literal meaning to a fighter beating the (puke) outta somebody.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe put up a good effort against Evander and vomited at the end of the fight. He said Holyfield was very strong physically but not skilled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Absolute bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
The fight was being organised at least as early as when Tyson fought Biggs 3 months prior to the Holmes fight. Holmes talks shit because he cannot give any credit to Tyson. He knows he faired better Holyfield, Mercer and McCall and that Mike dealt with him easy and giving Mike any credit is almost as good as saying Mike could beat any Holmes.
Watch this interview with Holmes ringside after the Biggs fight.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m861f99Nkvk
Well, that vid gave the verdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAbsolute bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
The fight was being organised at least as early as when Tyson fought Biggs 3 months prior to the Holmes fight. Holmes talks shit because he cannot give any credit to Tyson. He knows he faired better Holyfield, Mercer and McCall and that Mike dealt with him easy and giving Mike any credit is almost as good as saying Mike could beat any Holmes.
Watch this interview with Holmes ringside after the Biggs fight.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m861f99Nkvk
Anyone ever read Holmes' book "Against the Odds"? He wrote that in the dressing room that night- he felt like cancelling- Something he never felt before.
Thats how good Tyson was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeWell, that vid gave the verdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAbsolute bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
The fight was being organised at least as early as when Tyson fought Biggs 3 months prior to the Holmes fight. Holmes talks shit because he cannot give any credit to Tyson. He knows he faired better Holyfield, Mercer and McCall and that Mike dealt with him easy and giving Mike any credit is almost as good as saying Mike could beat any Holmes.
Watch this interview with Holmes ringside after the Biggs fight.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m861f99Nkvk
Anyone ever read Holmes' book "Against the Odds"? He wrote that in the dressing room that night- he felt like cancelling- Something he never felt before.
Tyson would have beaten a fit Holmes at that time. There is no doubt about that.
Now a peak Larry Holmes would be a whole different story.
I think Tyson tags him like Witherspoon and Shavers did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
agreed I also think Tyson tags Larry just like shivers and Snipes did as well. And even Mike Weaver hurt Larry Holmes pretty badly a few occasions. Having said that however I also think that Larry Holmes gets up off the canvas just like he did against shavers & Snipes and goes on to knock out Mike Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaI think Tyson tags him like Witherspoon and Shavers did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
LOLOL.... what a joke. I had Larry to win that without even fighting. lololol.... everyone thought Butterbean would have knocked Larry's block off, but that doesn't work like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
PS: Tyson clips Holmes, pound for pound and prime for prime, and finishes him just as much as he finished him in their fight. The rounds may vary. But Tyson is a much better finisher than Witherspoon and the rest of them.
A shame Witherspoon couldn't finish the champ when he had him. But Larry was always a cut above the average fighter and/or average champion, but Tyson wasn't average.
That's the first Larry Holmes fight I ever saw because it happened when I just got into boxing. 53 year old Holmes outboxing a toughman fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
It was a gross mismatch now that you look back at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerThat's the first Larry Holmes fight I ever saw because it happened when I just got into boxing. 53 year old Holmes outboxing a toughman fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I guess any Butterbean fight is gross, what a fat man, I can't believe he went 12 rounds even if it was in his plodding, inactive style.
I don't think he ever went 12 rounds. This Holmes fight was his longest at 10 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Even 10 rounds is amazing. I think every other fight had been 4 rounders and those hardly ever went the distance anyway.
I wonder if he was the heaviest man to ever go 10 rounds, he outweighed even Valuev.
Looking back on it, I didn't realize at that time..Holmes went on a 6-0 streak including the Mercer fight followed by a 12 rounder with Holy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThats how good Tyson was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeWell, that vid gave the verdict.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossAbsolute bullshit!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
The fight was being organised at least as early as when Tyson fought Biggs 3 months prior to the Holmes fight. Holmes talks shit because he cannot give any credit to Tyson. He knows he faired better Holyfield, Mercer and McCall and that Mike dealt with him easy and giving Mike any credit is almost as good as saying Mike could beat any Holmes.
Watch this interview with Holmes ringside after the Biggs fight.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m861f99Nkvk
Anyone ever read Holmes' book "Against the Odds"? He wrote that in the dressing room that night- he felt like cancelling- Something he never felt before.
Had to check out boxrec...wow he won 7 more? before a decision loss to McCall & then some. Yeah, Tyson blasted Holmes so cold, I forgot that Holmes was still a viable fighter.
Holmes read the same book to Mercer that cream puff Francisco Damiani had prior. He showed more holes on Ray and boxed his ears clean off save for a single lone uppercut that snapped his nose like a dry twig. Very respectable classroom put on by Holmes here no doubt and solid cagey effort vs Holyfield but by no means was that a draw??? Holmes comeback for the majority was extremely well choreographed and he was oozing guile, snap jabs and a lot of trap fighting shuffling back and forth to ropes. He maxed out the effort and did very well but Ribalta hurt him, Ferguson had him out on his feet and I thought beat him, similarly with Quinn Navarre.
Holyfield definately beat Holmes but the old man made him work for the victory.
Its Wilder v Stiverne.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Holmes was near damn 80 here. lolol....