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Who wins - prime for prime at featherweight.
Watching IamInuit thread where Naz fought Tom Johnson and forgot how quick, brutal puncher and southpaw he was.
All these qualities would give Floyd problems and they were wanting to fight one another at one stage. It would have been an excellent fight. I think Naz timing could possibly cause Floyd big problems and he may have even stopped him.
Don't go thinking way back then that Floyd was the fighter he is now. I do believe Floyd wanted to fight Naz at a catch weight and Naz's camp didn't want to know. Floyd wins pretty handily in my book.
I just can't see Naz being consistent enough to beat Floyd, or even push him past the middle rounds. Tom Johnson and Steve Robinson were solid wins, but NOWHERE near Floyd's class. Floyd boxes him silly, even more thoroughly than Barrera did.
I doubt Naseem had anything for Floyd, too much of a skill and size advantage for Floyd. Nas started at 114 and topped out at featherweight, Floyd started at super featherweight and would have had a ton of reach on the Prince.
All I can think of is Floyd calling out Hamed in one of his post fight interviews with Larry Merchant and Larry just bluntly saying "...Floyd, Naseem isn't going to fight you." Horrible matchup for a guy like Prince, who was constantly throwing himself off balance.
Complete mismatch and Naz' side knew it. They wouldn't consider fighting Floyd
I think maybe people don't respect how good Floyd was at 130 or 35. I don't think Morales, MAB , Marquez, or Hamed would have even won a single round off Mayweather at any weight.
Corrales or Castillo would have killed any of those guys for a certain amount of time, if they had tried to move up more quicky, IMO.
Nope. Natta. Never. Johnson was going life and death with Beleno going in and looking very shop worn truth be told. I think Mayweather would have got into Hameds head big time and made him look silly hoping for an off balance bomb.
The Prince by KO.
If he drops an anvil from his carpet on the way in.
Mayweather would have made a fool out of Naz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
The first time Naz fought an elite level fighter (Marco Antono Barrera) his silly hands down, lunging in style was made to look amateur
Naz was lucky in that he retired at the right time. I think had he had carried on fighting, he would have ran into an upcoming Pac-Man, or Morales or a J.M.Marquez.
Naz reminds of those male tennis player who had a huge serve and a decent all round game. Players like Goran Ivanisevic or Andy Roddick
Their huge serve won them easy points. They won tournaments and both won one grand slam, but they came up short when they faced the elite players, in Goran Ivanisevic's case that's Sampras, Agassi etc, in Roddicks thats Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djokovic but they were fairly consistent players who often made the latter stages of Slams.
Same with Naz, he was so reliant on his power, that he did have the all round boxing skills to beat an elite fighter. Without his power he would lost to Augie Sanchez and Kevein Kelly and struggled against Wayne McCullogh and Paul Ingle.
I remember Naz's website and his predictions page for each of the major fighters around at the time.
he predicted he'd KO Floyd in 2
As said I agree that he'd make Naz look a fool and have him chasing shadows. Floyd by UD (120-108) or maybe by late KO
Does anyone on here remember that there was a forum on Naz's website too :confused:
ps an 8 followed by a ) puts an effing sunglases cool smilie in ffs
That's terrific! Big words from a guy who never even tested himself or his power at 130.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I think Floyd probably would have finished him. Floyd at 130 was a much different fighter from today. At that weight he had big power in both hands, he was lightning quick, an amazing counter puncher but most of all he was VERY aggressive and hungry. Combine all that with the size advantage (5'8'', 72" reach to Naseem's 5'4", 64" inch reach) and Prince get's absolutely annihilated. Not even close IMO.
All that said, I do love Naseem Hamed.
I hated him when he faught because I thought he was horribly overrated. I made a killing on the Berrera fight off the casual fans who thought Naz was a god. But he always made me laugh. And I watch his highlight tapes every month or 2 and documentaries about him too. So maybe.like SRL, over the years I have become a bit of a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Floyd beats a prime Naz? Bwahahahahaha
Stop embarrassing the forum you bunch of unlettered fools.
Whoomp there it is!
personality sways fans opinion in boxing more than any other sport
why people love floyd so much and yet dislike naz ill never know
Naz would win by KO him in my opinion
Yeah, cos Floyd's always looked chinny and loads of people have KO'd him in the past haven't they ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I couldn't give two fucks for either of them as people, just about pure boxing ability.
That would be a great fight and at 126/130 I'd most likely toss a coin. The closest style wise that Floyd ever came across was a half spent Augustus. I disliked Hamed immensely during his day but it was not a genetic imprint which appears to be the case for others. How anyone can dismiss Hameds chances against Floyd at the feather area is simply beyond belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Floyd would want to upstage Barrera and slam Prince into the turnbuckle at every corner.
Seriously though... Hamed had some technical flaws that were embarrassingly exposed against MAB.
Floyd is nothing if not fundamentally sound.
If that translates into a Hamed KO victory, as claimed by some..... then I guess someone's not being very objective, are they. ;)
I'm a fan of Hamed because he brought a lot of excitement to boxing. Boxing needs characters like him who drum up interest, who polarize people into caring about the outcome (whether they love him or they want to see him get destroyed). Also, he was very exciting in the ring and had legit one-punch KO power in both hands. He was a fantastic talent, when all is said and done. He just didn't have (or at least didn't show he had) the sound fundamentals to go along with his natural talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI hated him when he faught because I thought he was horribly overrated. I made a killing on the Berrera fight off the casual fans who thought Naz was a god. But he always made me laugh. And I watch his highlight tapes every month or 2 and documentaries about him too. So maybe.like SRL, over the years I have become a bit of a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I dont think how Mab did against Hamed has anything to do with how Floyd would have managed against him. Floyds game plan would have been nothing like Mabs. I just dont see Floyd becoming a swarmer. Hamed was like a rubber-band man in there, was speedy as hell and stood atop welterweight legs holding one punch gone to disneyland power and a southpaw to boot. I just dont see Floyds shoulder adjusting to well his odd approach. Oh I'm sure Floyds right hand would be key but Hamed would not allow him to get settled at all and it would be a whole different kind of guy fighting off the back foot countering that Floyd dealt with in the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Hamed was always top of the 'Championship'... the day he got promoted into the Premier League against Barrera he was quickly relegated. The Prince turned back into a toad in his only A list fight. He wisely missed Morales, Marquez, Pacman and Floyd!
floyds never been knocked out - what a fantastic analagy of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah, cos Floyd's always looked chinny and loads of people have KO'd him in the past haven't they ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I couldn't give two fucks for either of them as people, just about pure boxing ability.
how about this - In his prime Naz knocked everyone out
1 nil to me
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
naz would have KOed barera prime for prime
uh, own goal I think. Floyd has been ko'd in 0% of his fights . Naz didn't knock everyone out (if I've told you once I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate. :) ) .Infact he had an 86% stoppage record , which is very impressive, but his record against "Elite" fighters is fought 1 lost 1 . Mentally, he lost his aura and He couldn't handle that so he had to retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44floyds never been knocked out - what a fantastic analagy of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah, cos Floyd's always looked chinny and loads of people have KO'd him in the past haven't they ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I couldn't give two fucks for either of them as people, just about pure boxing ability.
how about this - In his prime Naz knocked everyone out
1 nil to me
Like I've said before, don't think that the Floyd back then was like the Floyd of today. Naz was a very strong , good albeit unorthodox fighter that made an absolute killing back in the day , which he deserves respect for. But do you honestly believe that Corkscrew right from his toes would've got anywhere near the chin of a guy as skilled as Floyd , bearing in mind Barrera dealt with it very comfortably?
so with the own goal, that's 2-0 to me.
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
naz would have KOed barera prime for prime
Really?? I thought Naz was pretty close to his prime when he got humiliated by MAB.
bringing naz's loss to mab into a discussion is like bringing tysons loss to mcbride into a discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnerauh, own goal I think. Floyd has been ko'd in 0% of his fights . Naz didn't knock everyone out (if I've told you once I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate. :) ) .Infact he had an 86% stoppage record , which is very impressive, but his record against "Elite" fighters is fought 1 lost 1 . Mentally, he lost his aura and He couldn't handle that so he had to retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44floyds never been knocked out - what a fantastic analagy of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah, cos Floyd's always looked chinny and loads of people have KO'd him in the past haven't they ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I couldn't give two fucks for either of them as people, just about pure boxing ability.
how about this - In his prime Naz knocked everyone out
1 nil to me
Like I've said before, don't think that the Floyd back then was like the Floyd of today. Naz was a very strong , good albeit unorthodox fighter that made an absolute killing back in the day , which he deserves respect for. But do you honestly believe that Corkscrew right from his toes would've got anywhere near the chin of a guy as skilled as Floyd , bearing in mind Barrera dealt with it very comfortably?
so with the own goal, that's 2-0 to me.
2 nil me
see above :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
naz would have KOed barera prime for prime
Really?? I thought Naz was pretty close to his prime when he got humiliated by MAB.
So true. Not only was Naz way past his pomp he didn't even train for Barrera.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44bringing naz's loss to mab into a discussion is like bringing tysons loss to mcbride into a discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnerauh, own goal I think. Floyd has been ko'd in 0% of his fights . Naz didn't knock everyone out (if I've told you once I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate. :) ) .Infact he had an 86% stoppage record , which is very impressive, but his record against "Elite" fighters is fought 1 lost 1 . Mentally, he lost his aura and He couldn't handle that so he had to retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44floyds never been knocked out - what a fantastic analagy of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah, cos Floyd's always looked chinny and loads of people have KO'd him in the past haven't they ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I couldn't give two fucks for either of them as people, just about pure boxing ability.
how about this - In his prime Naz knocked everyone out
1 nil to me
Like I've said before, don't think that the Floyd back then was like the Floyd of today. Naz was a very strong , good albeit unorthodox fighter that made an absolute killing back in the day , which he deserves respect for. But do you honestly believe that Corkscrew right from his toes would've got anywhere near the chin of a guy as skilled as Floyd , bearing in mind Barrera dealt with it very comfortably?
so with the own goal, that's 2-0 to me.
2 nil me
Also Barrera should have been DQ'd for that head smash. Reverse that situation, Joe Cortez is slinging the British foreigner out. Fact.
Also no-one takes into account Naz was weight drained and had a broken hand. Fact.
Back to Floyd-Naz...
They share one common opponent - Augie Sanchez. Floyd suffered a one-sided hiding against Augie. Naz sent poor Augie out the ring on a stretcher. Just facts. Fact.
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Originally Posted by erics44see above :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
naz would have KOed barera prime for prime
Really?? I thought Naz was pretty close to his prime when he got humiliated by MAB.
Yeah..... I see your point.
27 is pretty much an over-the-hill age for a fighter.
:rolleyes:
Gotta be careful with the prince though... like Tito Trinidad, both hands are lethal. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
How do you work that out Einstein? they're totally different. Naz's loss to MAB was his first and only loss coming off a 35 fight winning streak and he was 27 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44bringing naz's loss to mab into a discussion is like bringing tysons loss to mcbride into a discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnerauh, own goal I think. Floyd has been ko'd in 0% of his fights . Naz didn't knock everyone out (if I've told you once I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate. :) ) .Infact he had an 86% stoppage record , which is very impressive, but his record against "Elite" fighters is fought 1 lost 1 . Mentally, he lost his aura and He couldn't handle that so he had to retire.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44floyds never been knocked out - what a fantastic analagy of the fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraYeah, cos Floyd's always looked chinny and loads of people have KO'd him in the past haven't they ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I couldn't give two fucks for either of them as people, just about pure boxing ability.
how about this - In his prime Naz knocked everyone out
1 nil to me
Like I've said before, don't think that the Floyd back then was like the Floyd of today. Naz was a very strong , good albeit unorthodox fighter that made an absolute killing back in the day , which he deserves respect for. But do you honestly believe that Corkscrew right from his toes would've got anywhere near the chin of a guy as skilled as Floyd , bearing in mind Barrera dealt with it very comfortably?
so with the own goal, that's 2-0 to me.
2 nil me
Tyson was 39, had been beaten by Danny Williams in his Previous fight , had done time , drugs and all sorts of shit.
I suppose it makes sense in your World.
Don't let the facts deter you though , you just keep dredging out the same old horseshit. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerGotta be careful with the prince though... like Tito Trinidad, both hands are lethal. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Something up, sport?
I don't remember any scraps in the recent past.
Enlighten me?
Prime Naz dismantled fighters with ease (similar to Tyson he lost his trainer, lacked discipline, relied too much on his power and fell in love with himself) and that version at a catch weight with Floyd say 133lb would have been a great fight which he could have won.
Floyd has problems with southpaws, punchers and unorthodox fighters all which make Naz a problem for Mayweather.
I dunno what you mean bro? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGotta be careful with the prince though... like Tito Trinidad, both hands are lethal. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Something up, sport?
I don't remember any scraps in the recent past.
Enlighten me?
Just two mate chatting about two-handed power punchers.
Do not worry about it Tito. Beanflicker is a strange one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI dunno what you mean bro? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGotta be careful with the prince though... like Tito Trinidad, both hands are lethal. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Something up, sport?
I don't remember any scraps in the recent past.
Enlighten me?
Just two mate chatting about two-handed power punchers.
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Originally Posted by MasterDo not worry about it Tito. Beanflicker is a strange one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI dunno what you mean bro? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerGotta be careful with the prince though... like Tito Trinidad, both hands are lethal. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Something up, sport?
I don't remember any scraps in the recent past.
Enlighten me?
Just two mate chatting about two-handed power punchers.
Must've unknowingly struck a nerve somewhere along the line.
I imagine that's how stalkers get started.
:)