I say no. If a man is tough enough to train and get into the ring, he deserves more respect.
What say you? :confused:
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I say no. If a man is tough enough to train and get into the ring, he deserves more respect.
What say you? :confused:
You are right it is a tough sport and they should not be referred as such. It is part of boxing folklore "bum of the month" ect and it is a easy and quick way to describe a limited fighter.
It is true--Bruce Seldon and Peter McNeely should NEVER--under any circumstances---be referred to as bums or tomato cans.
Audley Harrison isn't a bum at all.
Every sport has the cream of the crop & bottom of the barrel. Yup, there are tomato cans: Guys who get paid to take dives, who fight just to make a few bucks & guys who actually try but get their buttocks handed to them. They all qualify as bums/tomato cans.
Sure, why not. You can still respect a tomato can for being tough enough to train and get into the ring, but if they suck why beat around it.
I'm sure legions of minor league athletes in other sports train as hard as the top pros, they just don't get a chance to compete against them because they aren't nearly as good, and therefore nobody ever hears about them. Only in boxing and perhaps MMA are clearly inferior athletes ever given oppourtunities to compete at a high level and for a large audience, I don't feel to sorry for them myself. If you are no good at something and you choose to do it for a living, don't expect to be taken seriously.
I have a lot of respect for anyone who gets in the ring and I don't likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
like the derogatory terms used by a lot fans (I'm guilty too), but there is a huge gap between elite fighters and journeymen, so I understand the appeal and temptation of the disrespectful terms.
I rarely if ever use either term if I can help it but they do apply at times. I try to use opponent or no hoper instead. Nowadays, number 1 contenders are routinely called bums. For the super stars, everybody they beat. I have no issues with the words themselves, one of which is as old as the sport itself but its the use that gets me at times.
When Eric Crumble was entering the ring for his 31st fight with a record of 0 and 30 along with being knocked out all 30 previous times the term "opponent" or "no hoper" just does not cut it. Even his last name begs a different response;D
As long as elite fighters duck other elites/pick the easy fight Im happy to call their opponents bums. Its more a criticism of the elite fighter then the fighter Im actually calling a bum
Mismatches can make a person misconstrue a good fighter as a bum/tomato can. As Roy Jones said: "They aint bad...I just make 'em look bad!"
Don't think I've ever used the term bum but tomato can, oh yeh. Most recently when describing Wilders list of opponents.
Think the difference is a 'bum' is a guy throwing it...obviously no intent to win, diving or even resorts to illegal tactics? Can's are just horrible little of skill and almost professional tough guy boxers. Can's can also 'get it' if Adrian Broner says so :-X
Yeah... been a couple of posts on this already. I don't use the term directly toward a fighter in a derogatory term, but rather as criticism for fighters that build their careers on obviously inferior opponents in order to fatten up their record.
are we allowed to use "sack of shit"?
No, a fighter should never be called those names unless they are are a Mayweaather.
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Yes, but of course!!!!!!! :cool:
Meh I have no problem with it, but I think those terms get thrown around way too much (can't count how many times have I seen them used in reference to a world ranked, top 10 guy).
The words - although harsh - do have an accepted use and meaning in the sport. I don't have respect for every guy that steps into the ring: doesn't necessarily mean you're brave, you might just be stupid.
Good.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Yes, but of course!!!!!!! :cool:
Of course some fighters are bums or tomato cans. They need to be called that. Some guys should not ever enter fighting, and it isn't because they have a fighting spirit or not, but some guys really do not qualify for being in sports period.
Rod Salka- a BUM and a Tomato Can
Andrew Golota- had promise but on many occasions was "bummy" in his approach.
Mike Alvarado- yes, he can fight. But, he is a BUM. Drug abusing BUM. Get your life together homes!!
Riddick Bowe- a Champion, but in all due respect, at the latter half of his career, became nothing more than a lousy, lazy, fat assed bum. The sanctioning organizations should have been ashamed to know he was their champion holding their belt.
Some times being a bum has nothing to do with fighting ability, it has to do with the lifestyle you choose that causes you to lose focus and enter into the ring in shit shape and giving piss poor performances with no direction in your career. That makes you a bum.
Arturo Gatti- a strong fighter who came to fight and came prepared to win, he just didn't have it when faced with elite fighters. He was not a bum.
Emmanuel Augustus- good, technical fighter that got robbed more than he won. Came prepared, in shape and with focus on the task at hand. He was no bum, he just got shitty ends of the deal.
Get my drift?!?!
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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
NO!
ok ok, Seldom was a bum.
Rod Salka is not a bum. He's a lightweight and is coming off probably his most impressive display of boxing. Mike Alvarado is a drug addict who prior showed he could adapt his style to win.
Agreed. With the NO that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
NO!
No way could I even think of Calling Golota a bum. Bipolar maybe.
Bowe: After 3 fights with Evander he was the one that ended up slurred speech. That trilogy took everything from him- and was a shell by Golota II IMO.
Not sure why Gatti or Augustus name was mentioned.
I am totally disagreeing with this. ykdad:- check out Hakkar-- he is in such great shape - the announcers 1st few rounds claimed he could run 3miles & break a record. This post is in humor, so check out how a guy can be in great shape, but his styleskill level is bummified.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Do me a favor: respond to these 3 okay?
Go to:
1. 1:32- Hopkins lands - Hakkar takes a knee at 1:36 LMAO Please comment not an in-shape bum?
Fuck Tyon's long count with Douglass- the announcer claims 14! its 1:54 in the vid! Bwaaahaa!!
2. Please comment at 2:02-2:14 he's raising his hands, Not a bum? okay Clown better word?;D
3. 6:22 in- Hop drops him & Frank wont count- I got the HBO commentating- Lamply & Forman crack up laughing & said: I bet Morrade is wondering-whats a guy gotta do to get knocked out in America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQuDr2N0JQw
Why tomato? Ubiquitous?
I Would Think,
That any man or woman that had the 'balls' or 'heart' to get into a Ring to
exchange punches with another person, would have some kind of courage.
There are no 'Bums' or Tomato Cans'.
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Originally Posted by holmcall
You mean Bruce Seldon?
He wasn't a bum. Why..... he was an Olympic-quality diver.
I think when you describe somebody's skill level, you may use these wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
I feel as though the ones who make an honest effort deserve our respect no matter how limited their skills are.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
It's the fat slobs and ones who take dives and don't train that I feel comfortable calling bums.
Bheki Moyo IS AT 0-70-2 and might be thought of as challenged :o:o:o:o:o
'A Bum'
A fighter who purposely has no intention of putting in a good effort, or plans on deceiving
the 'ticket paying' public.
* Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki
* Muhammad Ali vs. Larry Holmes
* Muhammad Ali vs. Trevor Berbick
While it may not be a 'true bum', they sure were dog-like efforts.
Bill Paxtom is a bum.
..... an obsessed, butt-hurt one at that.
bill you sure have a way with words.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill paxtom
I remember my old trainer one day getting all over a guy that called a fighter a bum
He said " I heard what you called that fighter tell me could you beat him"? The guy says " No of course not" Trainer say " What gives you the right to call him a bum"? " Shall I go over & tell him what you said"?? Guy was scared he says " No please don't". Trainer says " Don't let me hear any of you here call any fighter a bum unless you are sure you can kick his ass OK" Great guy old Charlie
Bill Paxton has got to be a troll He certainly knows nothing about boxing when he calls Muhammad Ali a bum
I like Bill Paxtom, he has interesting historical threads.
Without a doubt the strangest bunch of posters on any site (me included). Most other sites are run by politically correct asswipes such as at The Sweet Science and BLH. That's why I keep coming back to Saddo.;D
What about boxers who become literal bums, like Ernie Lopez, Rocky Lockridge, or Iran Barkley?
Danny WilliamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I never called Muhammad Ali 'a bum'.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
But he did pull some 'fraudulent acts' in the Ring, that were 'bum like'.