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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJDTzWRWc34
Watch carefully this link and tell me if Floyd was not the reason why the fight did not push through years ago.
Mayweather has been caught in videos admitting that he was really afraid of Pacquaio.:-X:-X:-X
That's it, Bruce. You have convinced us all now!
steroid cheat
Get it all in now so you can disappear May 3rd.
It's f'n retarded. If he was scared he wouldn't have agreed in 2009, he wouldn't have agreed now. They can't force him to fight. I can't grasp how people can be so stupid buying into these completely transparent sales tactics.
Its business no#1. Floyd has made more cash from the sport doing it this way around with less risk to loosing the top spot and the giant hauls along the way.
That isnt chicken or afraid, it is smart he has outsmarted everyone and fought who he wanted to when he wanted to.
Thats why he will win this one too.
People can make any wild claims and come to as many wild conclusions as they want, but I don't know why you'd bother when the facts are out there.
FACT 1: The fight fell through because Manny would not agree on a 14 day cut off for a drug test. That's not my opinion, that's not a wild conclusion, that's a fact.
FACT 2: Bob Arum himself has admitted that they were wrong to not accept that term because, in his words, they were "ignorant about the drug testing stuff" (that's an ACTUAL quote, not a Bill Paxton quote :D ).
There facts are easily verified by a quick Google search by anyone who's interested in knowing the truth.
So I'll put the question to anyone who thinks Floyd was the problem: let's say me and you were trying to make a deal, and I wanted a stipulation in that deal that you wouldn't agree to and so the deal never got made. Years down the road, we meet up and you say "you know what? I should have agreed to that stipulation, I didn't because I was ignorant and didn't know enough about it, if the deal was on the table today I would agree to it." Who would you blame, in hindsight, for the deal originally not going through? ;D
Body language says otherwise
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...itytwitter.jpg
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...first-time.jpg
with fact one you could just as easily say that the fight fell through because floyd started going on about additional drug tests that boxers dont normally go throughQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
with fact 2 a lot of people said a lot of stuff and to pick out one sentence said without considering everything else that was said doesnt make it the be all and end all of everything that was said :)
and just to summarise FACT1 is an opinion and FACT2 is extremely insignificant in the bigger picture
Manny put out the stipulation that Floyd would owe him millions of dollars for every pound he might come in over the limit... do all boxers go through that, too? :confused:
It's not like Floyd was asking him to do anything he wasn't going to do. If you're not using steroids, then why would you care? ???
just the fact that you are trying to argue that it is a fact by using other opinions makes it not clear that it is a fact at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
in fact it more confirms that it isnt a fact and just the opinion of a bias floyd fan
I'm not arguing that it's a fact, it is a fact.
Job Biscuit,
eh eh
1 nil eric
:cool:
You got annihilated, sir. Just like a British fighter when he goes up against a good foreign one ;D
Was Floyd afraid of the fast, southpaw manny pacquiao?
Was Floyd Afraid of a Possibly roided up fast southpaw, who was able to carry his power up in weight?
Was Floyd Afraid of Losing his unbeaten record against a fighter that represented and uncalculated risk by possibly facing a fast southpaw who was able to carry his power up in weight in what was considered an unnatural fashion?
Of the 3, i'll take the 3rd. Rather get into the PED argument, I'll leave whatever you believe about that up to the reader. Whichever you believe, the first represents risk, the second represents more risk. The third represents the most and floyd doesnt like risk. As absurd as that sounds given his lifestyle habits which domestic violence, showing off, and other questionable acts for someone with so much to lose.... Its indeed probable.
His life is spent minimizing risk. Gigantic bodygaurds for would be robbers, high priced legal teams for assault cases, etc. Hiring Ariza away from maidana and smaller acts like that. Now that the fight is going to happen, hes minimized the risk surrounding pacquiao. Drug tests agreed to, a cut better than the one he didn't want to settle for before, almost all the other advantages on the contract. ring walk order, introductions, announcement privileges. Hes created what he feels is a winnable situation for himself with little risk. If he loses, his fans will say time finally caught up to him.
The only problem is if he wins..... his legacy will still take a hit for it when all is said and done. As he sits back proclaims himself the best ever. There will always be a heckler who stands up and shouts that he waited for Marquez and Bradley (bum decision) to do the dirty work and fought pac only after he knew he was beatable. Every fighter has one... There will always be people that claimed that Ali's phantom punch was liston throwing the fight or that michalczewski was roy jones's silver bullet, etc. I think this will only become magnified by floyds self marketing and primadonna bargaining style.
The bottom line is this fight is happening on May 2nd because of floyd no one else, he could of easily of picked two other fights and not chose pacman due to the fact him and arum don't get along. Floyd is going to really do a job on manny remember floyd always fights bigger guys, he's going to beat the shit out of the smaller pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Bruce is pulling your chain. He is messing with you Floyd fans.
From that photo Floyd looks physically a lot bigger than Manny.
Do they have a common side piece we could ask? Did Manny ever get with Miss Jackson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Size is irrelevant in this situation.
Manny has beaten loads of opponents bigger than him and floyd has done the same.
They both have great skills but just remember one thing when you watch this fight on may the 2nd...
"A Great boxer beats a great fighter"
The clock is ticking and in may we will all see a floyd thats so sharp that Freddie might have to throw in the towel.
Manny pac should have changed trainers as Freddie cant take manny to that next level and should have had marquez sorted out and exposed by the 2nd fight they had.
Freddie roach plays a major part in mannys decline and so many are blind to see it.
(Dont think for one second that Im blaming the Parkinson's)
Manny cheated on his wife and kids loads of times but lets not talk about that as its part of the Philippine culture and he had a hard upbringing and he is thinks he's Bruce lee and he's a great caring singer who hates gays.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo they have a common side piece we could ask? Did Manny ever get with Miss Jackson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's overlook all that as he really is a good guy.
It seems you can not overlook it you remind me of Bill Paxtom and his hate for Ali. In a few years time that could be you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by impManny cheated on his wife and kids loads of times but lets not talk about that as its part of the Philippine culture and he had a hard upbringing and he is thinks he's Bruce lee and he's a great caring singer who hates gays.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo they have a common side piece we could ask? Did Manny ever get with Miss Jackson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's overlook all that as he really is a good guy.
Yeah Im with that ,protecting the Money train all the time looking out through the zero.Now its time to change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Now he knows he wants to go down in History as the number one and now he knows he can do it easier than before.
If he looses his 0 he gets another fight, more cash on the trrain. If he doesnt feel threatened and thinks he wont get caught off Mannys shots clean ,it will look a bit closer and again another fight, he will win. Maybe a third fight.
Both Manny and Floyd win here to a large degree, but i think I know who wins more either way at this point in time and that has been smart business. Guess whos paying?
In the end Floyd has fought everyone, win or lose this one; in the history books this will do his name better than a zero.
Look Spen Oktte world champion is retired and has a big 0 on his record; Who :confused: most people will say?
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterIt seems you can not overlook it you remind me of Bill Paxtom and his hate for Ali. In a few years time that could be you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by impManny cheated on his wife and kids loads of times but lets not talk about that as its part of the Philippine culture and he had a hard upbringing and he is thinks he's Bruce lee and he's a great caring singer who hates gays.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerDo they have a common side piece we could ask? Did Manny ever get with Miss Jackson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Let's overlook all that as he really is a good guy.
Low blow.
I don't hate anyone especially not manny.
I just think we should all be fair.
No one can condone floyd mayweather charges of wife beating etc as that kind of stuff should not be tolerated.
At the same time, manny is a cheater so shouldn't be made out to be mr.clean all the time!
They both have personal issues which would disgust you if it was your own father so all I'm saying is keep it real across the board.
The way I see it the fans break into 4 catogories.
Manny Pac fan - Andre
Pactard - Bruce Lee
Floyd Fan - Beanflicker
Floydite - Rocco
Which category am I in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'll tell you, I like manny, calling me a fan is a bit strong, I've missed fights of his before without a flinchQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Which category am I in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don't like floyd, massive bellend
I'd say for this fight I'm in the - want massive bellend to lose - category
OK there are 5 catogoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44I'll tell you, I like manny, calling me a fan is a bit strong, I've missed fights of his before without a flinchQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Which category am I in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don't like floyd, massive bellend
I'd say for this fight I'm in the - want massive bellend to lose - category
Floydhaters and I fit in that category as do you.
Manny Pac fan - Andre
Pactard - Bruce Lee
Floyhaters - eric44
Floyd Fan - Beanflicker
Floydite - Rocco
Don't forget the stalkers who post from time to time irrelevant nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOK there are 5 catogoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44I'll tell you, I like manny, calling me a fan is a bit strong, I've missed fights of his before without a flinchQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Which category am I in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I don't like floyd, massive bellend
I'd say for this fight I'm in the - want massive bellend to lose - category
Floydhaters and I fit in that category as do you.
Manny Pac fan - Andre
Pactard - Bruce Lee
Floyhaters - eric44
Floyd Fan - Beanflicker
Floydite - Rocco