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This is interesting. should be a good fight. Thurman has shown weaknesses, as has guerrero. but i reckon thurman will pull through after a bit of a rough time at first. maybe even getting knocked down. UD for thurman in an ugly scrappy fight.
the overrated Broner will prob lose, but get another gift by the judges ( paulie beat his ass ). either way he'll feel it the next day!
Broner hopefully will get ko'ed so no judges cant rob molina.
I think that Thurman beats guerrero because guerrero tries to stand toe to toe too much and Thurman is too hard of a hitter for that to happen. Guerrero is a solid fighter but nothing special. I see it being competitive at first but Thurman coming on late and winning a comfortable UD.
I'm not sure about the broner fight. I think it depends which Molina shows up. If it's the one who fought against LM then I think he will win. I'm assuming it will be somewhat like the maidana fight. Broner will have his moments but molinas toughness will win it out at the end.
Thurman and Broner should win, Guerrero can't be counted out.
Molina has a punchers chance but he got blitzed by Demarco, who Broner dominated for his only true world title.
"#1FightFan" please stop scoring fights, you don't know how.
Guerrero/Thurman is very interesting. It can be said Guerrero stands toe to toe too much. But Thurman can also be forced to fight on his back foot and isn't nearly as effective that way. So is it good or bad for Guerrero to go at Keith? I'm not entirely sure, will be fun to find out.
Guerrero and Molina are a lot alike tough, hard nosed, scrappy, and tend to throw caution to the wind when they're adrenaline flows.
Thurman is all about controlling the fight and picking his spots. Guerrero can be hit so I think Thurman wins a SD in a fight that neither guy has control of.
Broner is in for another hard night but probably wins by SD too. Molina is pretty easy to hit so Broner's speed will be his big advantage.
I think Thurman will beat Guerrero on a UD and continue his upward curve. Hopefully he fights Khan after that.
If Broner doesn't beat Molina , are we supposed to seriously believe that he is World Class at anything over 135lbs?
Broner will win a wide points decision. Molina is tough , but his record isn't great. I watched the Mickey Bey fight and remember that he was the complete underdog and had lost every round until he pulled it out of the bag.
There are clear "A" sides to both of these fights: Keith Thurman and Adrian Broner. They both win on Saturday.
I never rated Guerrero at welterweight. Is Kamagai his best win at 147 or is it Berto? Guerrero is a decent boxer but at lower weights his size helped him a lot. In his last fight, he looked slow and easy to hit. Thurman isn't as good on his back foot, but he's good enough to beat Guerrero. He also has the pop to freeze Guerrero in his tracks. He also needs a smashing performance after his last meh one. I like Thurman by big KO here.
Broner had difficulty in his last fight against Emmanuel Taylor and previously against Paulie Malignaggi, which leads me to believe he will have trouble with boxers. His only loss, on the other hand, is against an awkward slugger in Marcos Madaina. One of the underrated strengths of Broner is his heart and his chin. Maidana beat him up badly and he made it to the final bell (albeit he ran from the ring after the fight). Molina is slower than Maidana and not as crafty. He also seems to have taken a decent amount of punishment in his last few fights. This is a fight to make Broner look good and he'll fulfill the expectations.
While not super competitive in my eyes, these are good style match-ups for the first PBC show. In other words, fun viewing. Let's hope the winners face each other or face the winner of Garcia-Peterson next. Odds on that happening?
I hope Thurman and Molina win the fights.
I think Guerrero has already started winding down and I don't see him as having much power at the weight and hes always been rather slow. So i think he was picked for a reason. This is a match for Thurman to make a statement but comparing his performance against a common opponent with Floyd. Guerrero will come out and try to show Thurman he plans to be there all night, so Thurman may not be trying to outgun him early as much as he will potshot him with combos, move and then tie up, if he needs to. Then tear into him later. Thurman has show he can be caught with looping overhand rights while hes feinting and posturing and Guerrero could catch him but i dont think hes got the power and is probably slow to pull the trigger after a few wars. It goes against the grain with what has been said so far, but I think Thurman will try to get him out of there. I think his corner or the ref steps despite guerreros protests anywhere between 6 and 9. (also wouldn't be surprised to see guerrero come in less than stellar shape --call it a hunch)
For broner, I think Molina has a decent shot at this if he comes in as big as he was for Matthysse, and has the right game plan which may be harder than we think... as him and his trainer have this on again off again kind of training relationship. He is expected to just be a punching bag thats soft around the middle, gets bedazzled with speed and gives up. But Broner also being susceptible to looping right hands when he's leaning straight back in the philly shell and left hooks when he's moving and closing the distance could be golden opportunity dropped in the lap for someone who throws hooks and cuffs like Molina. I'll say molina gets some work done early, Broner whines and complains and a combination of being handcuffed by the ref and gassing (im not sure he'll be in shape of his life either), lines molina up to become the punching bag later. At which point broner will start acting like a bigger @$$ because he just cant help himself.
Guerrero and Molina have both been picked to put on a hell of a show but ultimately get overwhelmed.
However. If Guerrero can somehow keep Thurman going backwards he can easily outwork him. Thurman was garbage last time out against a guy I'd pick Guerrero to beat easily.
And Broner is an accident waiting to happen at 140. He spent the week before his last two fights in the sauna so he could make the weight. I'm guessing he hasn't been living a monastic lifestyle since last September so Molina might be able to get to him late, if he's still there.
I'm basically looking for an excuse to pick the upset victory in both of these fights. I don't like Broner and Thurman spent last time out going backwards against a Euro-level guy with 10 KOs in 30 fights.
Probably Thurman and Broner both do enough to get the wins but we could easily see them lose close fights and then get gifts from the judges. Just the thing to endear all the potential new fight fans watching on network TV to boxing. :)
Who wins? The fans! TV friendly matchups, shouldn't be too much running in either fight. I'm rooting 4 da' underdogs- The Ghost & Molina.
Do you think they'll stop the fights earlier than they might normally on premium cable because it's on regular television?
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Thurman by UD, I wouldn't be surprised by a late stoppage ;) ref may have to save Guerrero from himself :(
Broner by UD or KO :cool: though he might have to get offf the canvas once or twice ;D
I rewatched that fight like 2 days ago because it's fun hahaQuote:
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Broner actually hurt Maidana in the 11th and the 12th. He didn't come close to stopping him but Broner was getting stronger, not Maidana. Like you said, his heart and chin are strengths.
I think if he had taken the loss with dignity he would have won a lot of people over. I never liked the guy because people always compared him to Floyd, even though they fight nothing alike, but I respected how he fought that night.
He fought like a punk with his bs antics and malingering. How can you respect that nonsensical display of boxing, showed he is truly a notch. What a pant load.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI rewatched that fight like 2 days ago because it's fun hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Broner actually hurt Maidana in the 11th and the 12th. He didn't come close to stopping him but Broner was getting stronger, not Maidana. Like you said, his heart and chin are strengths.
I think if he had taken the loss with dignity he would have won a lot of people over. I never liked the guy because people always compared him to Floyd, even though they fight nothing alike, but I respected how he fought that night.
Later if anything. They want fights that people talk about at the water cooler on Monday at work. I'm surprised they don't have Smoger reffing both fights.Quote:
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Even though Broner is involved, I honestly am not pulling for anyone in particular as much as its just absolutely GREAT to have boxing back on 'basic' cable!! These are actually very solid style match ups that should guarantee good scraps. Molina has taken thrashings before and come back to demolish guys. This is a top time for Broner to show a backfoot and combination punching...or he can just lay in Molinas wheel house and risk getting punch in the mouth. That'd be fine too. Still not sold on Thurman or his chin as lets not forget he has been rocked good in 2 of last 3 fights. I've got nothing but respect for Guerrero who instead of dicking around with catchweights and baby steps..he jumped two divisions and beat the snot outta Berto and earned his shot. Thurman seems to have a natural size advantage and did show a new gear..though a very passive gear..vs fireplug Bundu but this will be the most complete and battle tested fighter he has faced to date. If Keith wants to emphatically speak of himself in 3rd person and keep that nickname meaningful, he'll press his advantage when the door opens and meat Guerrero in the middle.
Molina put up a real good fight against Mathyse. If that guy shows up he would give broner nightmares but I think Molina got a lot took out of him that night & since then has been beaten by soto a faded Mexican, that's why he's got this fight with broner so adrien looks good
Thurman put the crowded to sleep vs buddy so time to make a statement again, gotta keep his back off the ropes and pot shot his way to victory. Guerro will be our speeded and has to maul his way forward but wasn't prepared to go through the pan vs floyd and I dont think he will commit himself fully in this one either.
I read that Broner was a pound heavy at the weigh in.
I'm excited, on my way to the biggest flat screen. Enjoy a night of no PPV!!!!!!
Enjoy you lucky people, NBC = ITV over here. ;)Quote:
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