does anyone know anything about this boxer please as I have about 7 press photos of him boxing against other boxers.
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does anyone know anything about this boxer please as I have about 7 press photos of him boxing against other boxers.
Of course, what do you want to know? One of the TRUE defensive wizards in boxing history (not overrated ones like Willie Pep), right up there with Pernell, Toney, Floyd, ect. One of the greatest 140lbers of all time, a personal favourite of mine.
From what I read he was a true natural talent. Didn't like to train, was a heavy smoker all through his career, just a guy who was absolutely born to box.
need to know how popular he was and if there would be any interest outside his home country
Yep, plenty fags, liked a beer, didn't have much of a work ethic when it came to training. Some fantastic videos on Youtube.
I never saw him fight but older posters here said he was very skilled and a great skilled boxer.
so would I be better to liat on ebay.com or ebay.uk
Nicolino Locche
~ Mr. Untouchable {'El Intocable'}
A remarkable boxer from Argentina, with a Master's Degree in Defense.
A Professor in the Art of Feinting, and 'rolling-with-a-punch'.
* The Argentinian Master
* Smooth and Slick Boxer
* Brilliant Ring Technician
* Jaguar-like Reflexes
* Physically Strong with a tremendous lower-body, thick neck and muscular upper-body
* Extremely Accurate with his Punches
* Incredible Defense
* Rock Jaw, with Steel Rebar Reinforcement
* Uncanny ability to read the next punch coming in
* Confident beyond belief
* Taunted his opponents, by dropping his hands while directly in front of them, and offering up his chin as a target
* Could feint an opponent right out of the Ring
* Impossible to hit cleanly, hence the 'Mr. Untouchable' moniker
* Could frustrate even the 'best' Boxers in the World
* Won the WBA Super-Lightweight Championship on December 12, 1968 {at Age; 29 years, 3 months}
* Held the Championship for {3 years, 3 months} > until March 10, 1972.
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Originally Posted by andy20066
What are these clippings you have and what did you want to know? He fought in the shadows of Monzon and could never get in the front seat. He was an absolute genius in the ring who humiliated his opponents instead of knocking them out. You might want to do a little research yourself as its not all that difficult.
If you have actual press clippings of the guy from those days and are trying to sell them then screw all the ebay crap and stick them in kijiji specifically in Argentina.
Diddo, great you tube clips out there. That's how I learned of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by andy20066
What are these clippings you have and what did you want to know? He fought in the shadows of Monzon and could never get in the front seat. He was an absolute genius in the ring who humiliated his opponents instead of knocking them out. You might want to do a little research yourself as its not all that difficult.
If you have actual press clippings of the guy from those days and are trying to sell them then screw all the ebay crap and stick them in kijiji specifically in Argentina.
but kijiji is mostly for canadiansQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by andy20066
What are these clippings you have and what did you want to know? He fought in the shadows of Monzon and could never get in the front seat. He was an absolute genius in the ring who humiliated his opponents instead of knocking them out. You might want to do a little research yourself as its not all that difficult.
If you have actual press clippings of the guy from those days and are trying to sell them then screw all the ebay crap and stick them in kijiji specifically in Argentina.
Hmmm I never knew that. I'm sure Argentina has its version of the same.The thing is if it were me and I had original clipping I would concentrate my attempts to sell them in Argentina first. There has to be something that is Argentina centric even if it means putting an ad in a Buenos Aires newspaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy20066but kijiji is mostly for canadiansQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by andy20066
What are these clippings you have and what did you want to know? He fought in the shadows of Monzon and could never get in the front seat. He was an absolute genius in the ring who humiliated his opponents instead of knocking them out. You might want to do a little research yourself as its not all that difficult.
If you have actual press clippings of the guy from those days and are trying to sell them then screw all the ebay crap and stick them in kijiji specifically in Argentina.
For example, my twin brother has a Russian Iron cross that had been handed down to him from my grandmother who was a white Russian who fled the Bolshevik revolution. Her father was a body guard for the last Czar. We are getting older and neither of us have kids. I told him he should sell it and if not in a high stakes auction then by advertising in Russia.
You have something that may not be all that rare in Argentina whereas my brothers family hand me down is extremely rare no matter where he offers it but he'd make more in Russia imo because of its ties. Your item could be rarer here then Argentina but still make more money there because of its historical significance.
I've got a fair amount of boxing collectables but its a little hard to go further in advice w/o knowing exactly what you got.
I have official press photos. 5 of the size of this photo and 1 small one all from about 1963
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Nicolino Locche
Started off as a 130 lb. Junior-Lightweight in December 1958, at {Age; 19}.
By June 9, 1961 > he was already World-Rated as the #16 Lightweight after
defeating {W Dec 12} Guillermo Cano for the Argentinian 'Mendoza Region' Lightweight
Championship.
Nicolino {Age; 20 years, 9 months} had moved his record to 16-1-6 with only {4 KO's},
but was already called a World-Class defensive specialist.
Nicolino had already fought World-Class Argentinians;
* {Draw 10} ...... Jaime Gine
* {Draw 10} ...... Manuel Alvarez
* {W Dec 10} .... Vicente Milan Delgado
* {Draw 10} ...... Vicente Milan Delgado
* {L Dec 10} ..... Vicente Milan Delgado
From the start of his career {December 12, 1958 thru November 11, 1964} nearly 6-Years, Nicolino had
gone an incredible 52-1-11 in '64-Bouts'.
Nicolino's only loss was a {L Dec 10} to Vicente Milan Delgado on November 6, 1959 in only his
9th Professional bout.
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When you say official press photos do you mean on kodak paper or a newspaper? I took a closer look at that jpeg and it appears to be a picture of an actual picture which looks to have a small rip? Again condition is huge and it depends who the supporting characters are.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy20066
The nice thing about old school photo's is they cant be manipulated w/o a trail.
My advice to you would be to go get a couple of estimates from an honest sport memorabilia place. Now keep in mind that it would be best to narrow the field. Don't take them to Billy and Bobby's card and hobby shop. Plenty of boxing fans have never heard of this man so the neighbourhood corner shop probably has no idea either. Also for that very reason your market is a little thin. He was simply brushed aside in his day by Ali, Monzon etc etc. See but that also makes his stuff more rare and those who collect it more willing.
A priority should be finding a collector specializing in boxing stuff. That should be your starting point.
Guys like me do it for selfish reasons and dont buy to sell or have any idea on the market or the value.
Just dont get played.
Hope that helped a little. Good luck
I checked the years he fought, how come he never fought Duran ?
you shut your mouth about pep. he is an absolute elite defensive fighter of all time along with a top fighter all around of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
here is a picture of the back of the photoQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitWhen you say official press photos do you mean on kodak paper or a newspaper? I took a closer look at that jpeg and it appears to be a picture of an actual picture which looks to have a small rip? Again condition is huge and it depends who the supporting characters are.Quote:
Originally Posted by andy20066
The nice thing about old school photo's is they cant be manipulated w/o a trail.
My advice to you would be to go get a couple of estimates from an honest sport memorabilia place. Now keep in mind that it would be best to narrow the field. Don't take them to Billy and Bobby's card and hobby shop. Plenty of boxing fans have never heard of this man so the neighbourhood corner shop probably has no idea either. Also for that very reason your market is a little thin. He was simply brushed aside in his day by Ali, Monzon etc etc. See but that also makes his stuff more rare and those who collect it more willing.
A priority should be finding a collector specializing in boxing stuff. That should be your starting point.
Guys like me do it for selfish reasons and dont buy to sell or have any idea on the market or the value.
Just dont get played.
Hope that helped a little. Good luck
Nicolino Locche
~ 1st Big Win ~
February 26, 1960
General San Martin Estadio ~ Mendoza, Mendoza, Argentina
* Capacity .......{ 9000 }
* Attendance .. { 9000 } 'Sell Out'
Nicolino Locche ~ 8-1-3 {3 KO's} ~ {Age 20 years, 5 months}
vs.
Jaime Gine ~ 69-0-7 {25 KO's} ~ {Age; 26 years, 10 months}
Jaime Gine was the Argentinian Lightweight Champion, and World-Rated at #10. Jaime was based
out of Cordoba, and was willing to take on the young and 'rough-fighting' 20 year-old Nicolino Locche
in his own backyard.
Jaime, a 6-Year Professional was undefeated in '76-Bouts', an incredible run since turning Professional
in March 1954, including winning the Argentinian Lightweight Championship on May 4, 1957.
If anybody questioned Jaime Gine's talent, he held World-Rated Cuban - Orlando Zulueta to a 10-Round
Draw on {July 18, 1959}, and scored a {W Dec 10} over Orland Zulueta in a rematch on {October 17, 1959}.
Jaime Gin
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Nicolino, despite only having '12' Professional bouts under his belt, was already be proclaimed as a future
Title Challenger.
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Fighting behind a hometown crowd of 9000 screaming Mendozan's, Nicolino Locche was relentless over the
early going, by pressing forward and pounding the 'undefeated' and talented Jaime Gine backwards throughout
the first 2-Rounds.
But the 'slick-boxing' Gine was able to make a charge in Rounds 3, 4, 5 and 6, by scoring with aggressive lead
right-hands, and left-right combinations, while using his fine boxing skills with smooth movement and sharp
counters.
Round 7 was fought on 'neutral-ground', as both fighters were resting and gearing-up for their late-Rounds
charge.
But by the middle of Round 8, Jaime's arms were sore from the constant pounding by the muscularly-built
20 year-old Nicolino.
Then, Nicolino made a strong charge at the end of Round 8, and pinned Jaime on the ropes with a 'two-fisted'
attack, that had the 26 year-old covering up with both hands in front of his face.
With the crowd of 9000 cheering {'Nico, Nico, Nico' } > Locche boxed beautifully over the last 2-Rounds to
secure a narrow 10-Round Decision and 'upset' win over the #10 World-Ranked and Argentinian Lightweight
Champion - Jaime Gine.
'KO Mundial' scored the bout for Nicolino Locche {196-195}, or 5-4-1 in Rounds
He couldn't defend himself on the inside, he shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Locche, Pernell, Toney, and Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncheryou shut your mouth about pep. he is an absolute elite defensive fighter of all time along with a top fighter all around of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Whole-Heartedly Agree With The Previous Post
Nicolino Locche
A physical-brute, who was built like a Brick-Mason Laborer. Nicolino, besides having
an incredible defense, could take a tremendous punch to the face or body.
Willie Pep, could not.
Against who? Saddler? You should know that defensive fighters usually have trouble with good pressure fighters. I've seen Floyd struggle many times when a fighter pressured him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHe couldn't defend himself on the inside, he shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as guys like Locche, Pernell, Toney, and Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncheryou shut your mouth about pep. he is an absolute elite defensive fighter of all time along with a top fighter all around of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
added a picture on twitter at #Nicolinolocche. if anyone can link the twitter link please add
Nicolino Locche
By the end of 1961
Nicolino {Age; 22 years, 3 months}, was 22-1-6 with {4 KO's}, and was the Argentinian
Lightweight Champion.
Nicolino was World-Rated as the #10 Lightweight.
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Included were bouts with other Argentinian World-Rated fighters;
Vicente 'La Furia' Milan Derado
* November 6, 1959 ...... {L Dec 10} ........ Nicolino Locche - 7-0-1 {2 KO's} - vs. - Vicente Milan Derado - 25-6-7 {14 KO's}
* January 22, 1960 ........ {Draw 10} ........ Nicolino Locche - 8-1-2 {3 KO's} - vs. - Vicente Milan Derado - 27-6-8 {15 KO's}
* January 20, 1961 ........ {W Dec 10} ...... Nicolino Locche - 12-1-5 {3 KO's} - vs. - Vicente Milan Derado - 33-8-13 {18 KO's}
* December 16, 1961 ..... {W Dec 10} ...... Nicolino Locche - 21-1-6- {4 KO's} - vs. - Vicente Milan Derado - 41-11-13 {22 KO's}
Vicente 'La Furia' Milan Derado {from; Buenos Aires} was the '1st' fighter to defeat Nicolino Locche.
On November 6, 1959, Vicente {Age; 23 years, 7 months} travelled to Mendoza, Argentina to take on the highly-touted
20 year-old hometown Gaucho in Nicolino Locche.
Vicente {much more experienced} gave Nicolino a thorough 'thrashing' and won a clear-cut 10-Round Decision.
By late-1960, Derardo had moved up the #10 World-Ranked Junior-Lightweight. Vicente fell out of the Top 10 World
Rankings in 1961, but returned to the #9 World-Ranking at Junior-Lightweight in 1962.
Vicente and Nicolino had their famous 'Rubber-Match' {4th-Bout} on December 16, 1961. It was a 'war', but Nicolino turned
it on in > Rounds 7, 8 and 9 to pull away, and win a hard-fought 10-Round Decision in a very rough bout.
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Jaime 'Un Grande de Verdad' Gine
* February 26, 1960 ...... {W Dec 10} ....... Nicolino Locche - 8-1-3 {3 KO's} - vs. - Jaime Gine - 69-0-7 {25 KO's}
* June 11, 1960 ............ {Draw 10} ........ Nicolino Locche - 10-1-3 {3 KO's} - vs. - Jaime Gine - 70-2-7 {25 KO's}
* November 14, 1961 .... {W Dec 12} ...... Nicolino Locche - 19-1-6 {4 KO's} - vs. - Jaime Gine - 78-3-10 {25 KO's}
Jaime Gine was the #10 World-Rated Lightweight in February 1960, and was 'unbeaten' with an incredible record
of 69-0-7 in '76-Bouts'' over 6-Years.
Jaime who was from {Cordoba}, was a 'fine' and elegant boxer, with smooth as silk moves.
Included, was winning the Argentinian Lightweight Championship on May 4, 1957.
Also, were '2' bouts with the great Cuba Lightweight - Orlando Zulueta, which ended;
* July 18, 1959 .......... {Draw 10}
* October 17, 1959 .... {W Dec 10}
Highly-touted but unheralded 20 year-old Nicolino Locche scored an incredible 'upset' 10-Round Decision in a
'non-title' bout on February 26, 1960, when he defeated the 6-Year Professional - Jaime Gine {Age; 26 years, 10 months}
Nicolino also scored a win {W Dec 12} over Jaime Gine on November 14, 1961 to capture the Argentinian
Lightweight Championship, a Title that Jaime held for 4 years, 6 months.
Jaime dropped to the #12 World-Ranked Lightweight at the end of 1960, and to #13 at the end of 1961.
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Manuel 'Sixto' Alvarez
* September 17, 1960 ... {Draw 10} .......... Nicolino Locche - 11-1-4 {3 KO's} - vs. - Manuel Alvarez - 56-7-14 {13 KO's}
Manuel 'Sixto' Alvarez, was a smart fighting and experienced counter-puncher from Temperly, Buenos Aires.
Prior to this bout, Manuel Alvarez {Age; 23 years, 10 months} was the #17 World-Rated Lightweight, and the
#2 South American Lightweight. Manuel was a 6 1/2 year Professional, was regarded as 'too tough' for Nicolino
at this time.
Manuel, was also coming into this bout 'unbeaten' in his prior '34-Bouts' dating back to April 7, 1957 {3 years, 5 months}.
A young 21 year-old Nicolino Locche held the World-Rated - Manuel Alvarez to a 10-Round Draw at the famous
Estadio Luna Park.
Manuel 'Sixto' Alvarez moved up to 140 lbs. soon thereafter, and was the #20 World-Ranked Light-Welterweight
in 1961.
Alvarez eventually moved up to the #7 World-Ranked Light-Welterweight in 1962.
Just the type of fighter you don't want young fighters to hear about. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Yeah, but have you seen Floyd, Pernell, or James Toney get hit clean with any consistency on the inside by a pressure fighter? Maidana and Castillo gave him rough fights, they bullied him but they weren't hitting him clean. As soon as Saddler got inside on Willie Pep he ate him alive, it was easy work for him. Willie Pep was fast, he could run and dart in and out, good for him. He's not in the same discussion as Locche, Toney, Floyd and Pernell. They could all do that shit too, but they could protect themselves on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Nicolino Locche
More important wins thru the end of 1961.
Pedro Benelli
* July 30, 1960 .......... {W Dec 10} ...... Nicolino Locche - 10-1-4 {3 KO's} - vs. - Pedro Benelli - 35-3-3 {21 KO's}
* December 1, 1961 ... {W Dec 10} ...... Nicolino Locche - 20-1-6 {5 KO's} - vs. - Pedro Benelli - 46-5-5 {29 KO's}
Pedro Benelli was a hard-punching Lightweight from Buenos Aires, who could really work his opponent over
with 'non-stop' punching.
Pedro was ranked as the #4 Argentinian Lightweight in mid-1960.
On July 30, 1960 > the 20 1/2 year-old Nicolino Locche was very impressive in scoring a solid 10-Round Decision over
the 27 year-old veteran Pedro Benelli.
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Ubaldino Escobar
* September 29, 1961 ...... {W Dec 10} ... Nicolino Locche - 17-1-6 {4 KO's} - vs. - Ubaldino Escubar - 22-1-4 {17 KO's}
* October 10, 1961 .......... {W Dec 10} ... Nicolino Locche - 18-1-6 {4 KO's} - vs. - Ubaldino Escubar - 22-2-4 {17 KO's}
Ubaldino Escbar was a vicious punching fighter from Buenos Aires.
On September 29, 1961 > Ubaldino Escobar {Age; 20 years, 6 months} travelled to Mendoza, Argentina to take on
the highly-touted 22 year-old Nicolino Locche in a battle of young Lightweight stars.
It was a 'slam-bang' affair for the first 3-Rounds. In Round 4, Ubaldino did the 'unthinkable', he dropped Nicolino with a
single left-hook, and had him down and nearly out.
There was 'controversey' here, as the count was long, and Nicolino got added time to get up.
Nicolino eventually cleared his head, and boxed his way to a 10-Round Decision.
There were the 'typical' voices of disapproval from the Ubaldino Escobar Camp. There were cries of 'robbery'.
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12-Days later, these '2' young Lightweights were battling it out again in Mendoza, Argentina.
This time, Nicolono fought with a tighter defense, and used better counter-punching, as he neutralized Ubaldino's
wild-rushes and wide-left hooks to score a solid points win 10-Round Decision.
list one of the press photos on ebay.com at a test price to see if it will sell Nicolino Locche V Raui Santos Villalba Boxing Press Photo 1963 Argentina | eBay
1961
Nicolino Locche
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September 29, 1961
Mendoza Association of Boxing ~ Mendoza, Argentina
~ The Night The Untouchable Went Down ~
According to Leonardo Paludi {President of the Mendoza Association of Boxing}
Nicolino Locche ~ 17-1-6 {4 KO's} ~ 134 lbs. ~ 5' 6" ~ {Age; 22 years, 0 months}
vs.
Ubaldino Escobar ~ 22-1-4 {17 KO's} ~ 136 lbs. ~ 5' 7" ~ {Age; 20 years, 6 months}
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~ The Bout ~
The first '3-Rounds' were action packed, as the visiting Ubaldo Escobar from Buenos Aires went
'toe-to-toe' with Nicolino in a torrid 'slam-bang' affair.
Nicolino was faster, but Ubaldo was hitting harder.
Then it happened >
In Round 4, both met at Center-Ring, and Nicolino was doing his best 'defensive moves' by bobbing and
ducking, as well as enticing Ubaldo to come in with a lead punch.
Ubaldo missed with several right-hand leads as Nicolino ducked and bent low. Then as Nicolino came up,
Ubaldo came in with a tremendous left-hook, that landed 'flush' on Nicolino's chin.
At the {0:55 Mark}, Nicolino 'crashed' into the canvas, and was 'out'.
Ubaldo stood over Nicolino, looking down at the fallen star. He wasted a good 3-Seconds, before he
was directed to a Neutral-Corner by the Referee.
When the Referee got back to Nicolino, nearly 6-Seconds had past, and the Referee picked up the
count at '2'. Nicolino started to move and rolled over on his side.
Just at that moment, Ubaldo Escobar foolishly started bouncing around in the Neutral-Corner, and
then walked out to Center-Ring where Nicolino was still laying.
As the Referee reached the count of '6', he stopped the count, and walked Ubaldo back to the
'Neutral Corner'.
Another 3-Seconds were wasted.
When the Referee got back to Nicolino, he picked up the count at '6'. Nicolino pulled himself up
at the '8-Count', and was now standing, but was 'groggy'.
The Referee waived for the bout to resume, and Ubaldo came charging in. But despite having a
nearly 'out-on-his-feet' Nicolino in fornt of him, Ubaldo failed to land a solid follow up punch, as
Nicolino used every trick he had to survive Round 4.
By the time Round 5 started, Nicolino was back to using his slippery-skills to box his way clear, and
get the cob-webs out of his head.
Picking up in Round 6, Nicolino boxed, jabbed and countered his way over the last 5-Rounds to winning
a 10-Round Decision.
After the bout, there were cries that Nicolino was down at least a full 10-Seconds.
The Ubaldo Escobar Camp cried 'foul' and wanted the bout changed to a 'Knockout Win' for their fighter,
or change the verdict to 'No Contest'.
The Mendoza Association of Boxing verified that Nicolino Locche won the Decision, and that the error
was on the part of Ubaldo Escobar for failing to move to a 'Neutral Corner', and remain there until the
Referee signaled for him to move out.
The Mendoza Association of Boxing set up an immediate rematch for 12-Days later.
We're any of those fighters in a plane crash that should have ended their careers? That wasn't even a prime pep. I think that maidana landed a ton on Floyd. Maybe pep just didn't have as good of a chin as the other guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah, but have you seen Floyd, Pernell, or James Toney get hit clean with any consistency on the inside by a pressure fighter? Maidana and Castillo gave him rough fights, they bullied him but they weren't hitting him clean. As soon as Saddler got inside on Willie Pep he ate him alive, it was easy work for him. Willie Pep was fast, he could run and dart in and out, good for him. He's not in the same discussion as Locche, Toney, Floyd and Pernell. They could all do that shit too, but they could protect themselves on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
have now listed the photos briankeith2006 | eBay
Saddler did two things to Pep. He made him mad and got him out of his game. And he was so much bigger and stronger that he could manhandle him on the inside. Saddler was very very rough and could damage you in many ways. Watch the saddler v Del Flanagan fight. Flanagan was big and strong and saddler couldn't bully him up close.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherWe're any of those fighters in a plane crash that should have ended their careers? That wasn't even a prime pep. I think that maidana landed a ton on Floyd. Maybe pep just didn't have as good of a chin as the other guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah, but have you seen Floyd, Pernell, or James Toney get hit clean with any consistency on the inside by a pressure fighter? Maidana and Castillo gave him rough fights, they bullied him but they weren't hitting him clean. As soon as Saddler got inside on Willie Pep he ate him alive, it was easy work for him. Willie Pep was fast, he could run and dart in and out, good for him. He's not in the same discussion as Locche, Toney, Floyd and Pernell. They could all do that shit too, but they could protect themselves on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Pep, being so much shorter and having so much less reach than Saddler, had to constantly be in and out. That isn't too easy to do against a guy that has every physical advantage and knows every trick in the boxing book, legal and otherwise.