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I have to be honest I thought Thurman looked pretty good tonight against a good fighter who is difficult to look good against.
He showed good skills to go with his heavy hands , I feel he would stop Khan or Brook , if he lands cleanly enough.
Good fight and well done to the both of them , what are your thoughts ?
Thurman can't fight inside and gets discouraged when he can't KO someone within 8 rounds.
He's too big for this division and is draining himself to make weight.
I'd pick Maidana or another strong pressure fighter to beat him based on his performance tonight.
He's got a stupid hair cut
He is very good, especially early on. When he cannot discourage his opponent though he seems to run out of ideas and retreat into himself somewhat. Maybe that's okay when he has banked early rounds, but you can see he isn't so devastating now that he has stepped up and bit by bit opponents are seeing more that they can work on. Guerrero is really inactive didn't have the ideal prep for a big fight and he has looked a bit off in his last few fights anyway. I detect a little bit of Jermaine Taylor in Thurman. I can see an opponent who can weather the early storm and take his punch cause him serious problems as he is taken deep. Or maybe Thurman will just get better and better, but it's more likely that a wall is hit. Maidana would answer a lot of questions and a Khan fight would be very fun, maybe Bradley too. He's too raw for a super fight at this stage and I want to see him taken deeper first.
Eric do you think point deductions are in order for fighters with stupid haircuts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I like Thurman and think he is a skilled fighter and could go on to be a champion. I hope he becomes a superstar but I fear he could end up like Berto so I do not want to get too carried away.
He looked good last night, I had him winning every round.
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I think he has more durability than Berto , and also more power. Guerrero is a good boxer and teak tough , so all in all it was a good performance.
Thurman could definitely stop Brook but I think Amir Khan just has too much boxing skill and speed...having said that however khan would definitely need to watch his chin against Thurman haha
Good fighter and that Guerrero win was a good one. Thurman has to work on consistency throughout the fight and develop a couple of more dimensions/options, but he's a good fighter all the same. Think his size helps him because of his style, so I would advise against moving up in weight right now.
I thought he looked great considering his opponent. In the lead up people were talking about Guerrero like he was a push over, like Thurman was picking him for an easy knockout, and I didn't understand that at all. Guerrero has always been a fantastic fighter and warrior, is southpaw and has never been stopped, so Thurman handled him well. The only other guy to dominate him like that was Floyd.
Thurman has brutal thudding power, but like stated above he does get visibly uncomfortable on the inside and he does get discouraged when he hits a guy hard and they don't go anywhere. Overall Thurman is a fantastic young fighter and one of the top guys at WW, now I'd love to see him go against another one of the division's elite like Khan, Maidana, Brook, Porter, ect. I think a match with JMM would be very interesting and a great test to see what Thurman could work against an elite counter puncher.
Thurman did very well, he took control of the fight, pretty much shutting down Guerrero's efforts.
He did very well against a tough, no nonsense fighter that I like and have a lot of respect for.
When he saw the KO wasn't going to happen, he went to Plan B, and boxed Guerrero's ears off.
He lunges with his punches, throws an uppercut by dropping his hands and raising his chin, and he rarely puts together more than two or three punches at a time. When he does throw his right hand properly he hits pretty good. Guerrero caught him clean a couple times but he didn't seem sharp- didn't move well or punch crisp- at all and mostly let Thurman do what he wanted.
A good live opponent, maybe one in the same weight class, would make him pay for those mistakes. And he has spells where his footwork is utterly random.
I think he's a very good fighter and I think it's time to fight one of the top fighters in the division. Guerrero was a good fight for him, and without getting too carried away, apart from Floyd and Manny, who beats him? I'm not sure there are many, but I know he still relatively inexperienced at that level.
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlEric do you think point deductions are in order for fighters with stupid haircuts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He looked good and has proven he is capable of boiling down a pace or cranking it up. The kid has improved. He has huge holes coming in when he just lunges, almost wearing visible doubt though. What gets me is when he had his last 2 in the most trouble he effectively just backed off and let them back into the fight. In all reality Guerrero was done at the end of that round and its a testament to his brass balls he hung in but Thurman got roughed up and turned it into some international track meet and let the moment slip away. I'd like to see a Maidana fight, that would be fun tv
I think that would be a doozy ,Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Well said. Also Spicoli's point: dude got his track shoes on 11-12th. I'll add: Ghost takes a great punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Thurman is IMPROVING! That is rare for prospects who get TV deals so early and fame and fortune so young.
I thought he looked great and did his damndest to stop Guerrero when he dropped him.
Is he improving? I see tons of flaws. The comparison to Taylor seems apt. His athleticism covers many of his flaws like how he throws his uppercut or the fact he drops his hands before he punches. But when he gets in with athletes on his level or close his flaws will be exploited. I don't think he's nearly as smart as he thinks he is and that will come back to bite him.
That said I hope I'm wrong and he tightens things up.
i feel like he showed what i thought he was. very athletic with a very good punch and good speed. his flaws are that he doesnt do well when his opponent tries to pressure him and he doesnt really use a jab to set up his shots. he just uses a lot of hooks and counter hooks. i feel that a jab would greatly improve his offense against elite fighters.
because of his athleticism, he will give most fighters a tough time, but because of his flaws, he wont be elite. i do think that he will improve though and will slowly rid himself of those flaws but but not completely.
by the way I am aware I messed his name up lol - Keith Thurman
I think so mate yes :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlEric do you think point deductions are in order for fighters with stupid haircuts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
He's a great talker and good fighter. It was back-to-back good wins over tough fighters. Him vs Brook would be a great fight, Khan would do well to get his chin through 12 rounds.
I'd like to see him fight Khan and I think Khan gives him a torrid time with his speed and movement. Khan's next big fight will probably either be Manny or Mayweather though.
Which means he will not face a dangerous opponent like Thurman or Brooks but a stay busy fight. Shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Where does he go from here? Garcia, Broner, Porter?
Thurman v Porter would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I'm surprised to see a couple of references to Jermaine Taylor.
I thought I was alone on that one :D
I think he bypasses Porter, who is damaged goods at this point after losing to Brook. I'd love to see him shoot for an Amir Khan or a JMM - another established name that can hurdle him forward. JMM would probably be the better choice, as he's looked a bit older and shop worn lately. Not an easy fight, but a very winnable fight.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Tons of flaws and he whipped Guerrero worse than Floyd did.
I'll take it.
What is Berto doing now?
Thurman was lucky Guerrero was no puncher, he boxed nice but I am not sold Brook would
clean his clock.;)
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Originally Posted by Dia bando
Nah Brook isn't a big puncher and will go byebye inside 3 rounds.
I disagree mate Brook punches hard, to hard for Thurman as I said Guerrero was no puncherQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Nah Brook isn't a big puncher and will go byebye inside 3 rounds.
if that was Brook hitting Thurman would have been sparked.:)