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nobody is slipping under his jab and ripping left hooks to his solar plexus. his right hand so far up near his ear while he throws the jab that his entire abdomen is beckoning for a stomach splitting left hook thrown underneath his jab. fighters of yesteryear would have no problem figuring this out and executing it perfectly. However these new crop of backpedaling no head movement no pressure cowards can not pull the trigger
My estimation is that any fighter attempting this will be met by a savage chopping right likely resulting in a KD or in the case of your old favourites.. A 1 punch KO.
Tyson would have hit him there and followed up with an uppercut and then finished him off.
another easy option to finish off that Giant Nothing of Mediocrity would be this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
slip under the jab ( @greynotsoold do you agree about this?) then step to Wlad's left or your own right, in other words slip the jab then step outside to your own right, and smash a RIGHT HAND to Wlad's left side.
When he comes over with the chopping right, you are anticipating this as MaxPower has just said, so you are anticipating this chopping right, so you bob under it and throw a LEFT HOOK ON THE BUTTON (I MEAN ON THE CHANDELIER BWAHAHAHA) AND PUT THAT CHARLATAIN TO SLEEP FOR GOOD. Two punches is all it would take.
Too bad everyone is a coward these days. Tyson would have put out his lights in 1-2 rounds tops.
i always thought that, why dont fighters target his body more
wlad spends more time holding than anything else so why dont fights just accept that and wait for the hold then pound away at the body, fake a punch, wlad will come in for the cuddle the start winging away
Easier said than done. When an opponent charges forward, either Wlad darts back or a straight right or left hook with legit one-punch KO power is coming at you. Most fighters don't throw lead body punches, they set it up with something. If you throw a jab or right hand to set it up, Wlad is either gone or you have to worry about getting out of the way of a right hand. He's impossible to throw combinations against (except for weak, running forward combos) and coming forward while dropping your hands to throw a left hook to the body is very dangerous.
Chris Byrd did great work against Vitali to the body, it's why he beat him IMO, but that was 15 or 16 years ago. Vitali and Wlad learned from that.
OK brock, good luck with that
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
just editted your post for you, generally the first sentence just needed a few tweaks
lol that was pretty good, cuddles power
Maybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
Combinations and body shots are utterly worthless against Wladimir.
He's almost completely eliminated them as a method to beat him. His opponents know that.
Todays heavies don't have the head movement or speed to get inside. Klitchskos waiting for you to lower your hands and target the body to he can drop the hammer on you. The modified euro style still relies heavily on the power hand. Klitchskos or should i say the late emmanual steward replaced the old typical pawing with a snapping jab. So a man of klitchkos size looks to size you up with the telephone pole jab. If your at the end of it, expect the overhand right... if you move under it, expect the uppercut or hook to the body.
Now for the sake of argument, lets say you slip it, close the distance and hes squared up presenting you a shot at that rib cage with your left hook. You move in and you feel his elbow and forearm in the side/back of your neck as he attempts to stiff arm you push your head down throwing you off balance not allowing you to get your shot off. You option is to clinch and avoid being pushed out so he can get leverage with the left or throw punches with no leverage on them.
Best option if you slip that jab and feint left is to loop one over the top and straight down the middle as the jabs still out and hes faked into taking the high right away from his head to protect his ribs/ control your head. Of course you stand a better chance of of success if hes close to the ropes or corner, because he tends to go straight back and uses his feet to retreat and he stiff arms to create distance.
One thing that frustrates me when watching his fights is he does this pointless bouncing around in front of the opponent. Why does no one rush him while he is doing this? He is not set and would not have the time to launch anything meaningful.
Tyson Fury will;)
wlada-queer sucks
Remember Lou Savarese? Left hook to the top of the head and the rest is history. Biggs took a beating and cried like a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerMaybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
Yeah Tyson was Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRemember Lou Savarese? Left hook to the top of the head and the rest is history. Biggs took a beating and cried like a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerMaybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
But Savarese and Biggs have absolutely nothing in common with Wladimir Klitschko, those were the sort of opponents he might have faced right at the start of his career. The ones that he knocked straight out, nearly 20 in a row, in the first rounds!
He should have fought an olympic gold medalist a one of his first opponents and won in the first round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah Tyson was Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRemember Lou Savarese? Left hook to the top of the head and the rest is history. Biggs took a beating and cried like a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerMaybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
But Savarese and Biggs have absolutely nothing in common with Wladimir Klitschko, those were the sort of opponents he might have faced right at the start of his career. The ones that he knocked straight out, nearly 20 in a row, in the first rounds!
Yes, he would have probably won anyway but either you are confused with who Biggs was or are just ignorant.
He is ignorant. The reason why I chose those fighters was because of their hieght. They were the same height as Wlad. Tyson just needs to connect, not even the jaw, just the top of the head. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe should have fought an olympic gold medalist a one of his first opponents and won in the first round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah Tyson was Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRemember Lou Savarese? Left hook to the top of the head and the rest is history. Biggs took a beating and cried like a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerMaybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
But Savarese and Biggs have absolutely nothing in common with Wladimir Klitschko, those were the sort of opponents he might have faced right at the start of his career. The ones that he knocked straight out, nearly 20 in a row, in the first rounds!
Yes, he would have probably won anyway but either you are confused with who Biggs was or are just ignorant.
Tyson once spit into the bucket between rounds and 2 of his cornermen had to be taken away on a stretcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe is ignorant. The reason why I chose those fighters was because of their hieght. They were the same height as Wlad. Tyson just needs to connect, not even the jaw, just the top of the head. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe should have fought an olympic gold medalist a one of his first opponents and won in the first round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah Tyson was Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRemember Lou Savarese? Left hook to the top of the head and the rest is history. Biggs took a beating and cried like a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerMaybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
But Savarese and Biggs have absolutely nothing in common with Wladimir Klitschko, those were the sort of opponents he might have faced right at the start of his career. The ones that he knocked straight out, nearly 20 in a row, in the first rounds!
Yes, he would have probably won anyway but either you are confused with who Biggs was or are just ignorant.
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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
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I remember there was a video posted of Lennox Lewis showing Deontay Wilder how to jab 'with speed' and a comment was made that his hand position is what caused him to get nailed with overhand rights. However I think this was tweaked somewhat by his habit of shutting down distance and clamping on the back of the head/ neck with the outstreched lead hand, as a sort of breach fail-safe.
I guess he used it less often that Wladimir Klitschko as, although nither have any kind of inside game, Lennox did have a reasonable uppercut at his disposal.
Lennox took out Golota and Grant that way if memory serves me.Quote:
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Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
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I remember there was a video posted of Lennox Lewis showing Deontay Wilder how to jabhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPJMn7izjOMand a comment was made that his hand position is what caused him to get nailed with overhand rights. However I think this was tweaked somewhat by his habit of shutting down distance and clamping on the back of the head/ neck with the outstreched lead hand, as a sort of breach fail-safe.
I guess he used it less often that Wladimir Klitschko as, although nither have any kind of inside game, Lennox did have a reasonable uppercut at his disposal.
Wlad should add that uppercut to his arsenal he's got good technique with the rest of his punches I'd only assume that he could train it in. He's strong enough and quick enough to do the move Lennox used.
Yeah I know exactly who we're talking about. And he was basically equivalent to many of Wlads early 1 round KO opponents, medal or not!Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe should have fought an olympic gold medalist a one of his first opponents and won in the first round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerYeah Tyson was Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRemember Lou Savarese? Left hook to the top of the head and the rest is history. Biggs took a beating and cried like a woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max PowerMaybe, but Povetkin couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Equally likely is Wladimir "wraps him up in a cocoon of horror" LOL
Where were these finishing shots against Tillis, Green, Smith, Tucker and Douglas?
But Savarese and Biggs have absolutely nothing in common with Wladimir Klitschko, those were the sort of opponents he might have faced right at the start of his career. The ones that he knocked straight out, nearly 20 in a row, in the first rounds!
Yes, he would have probably won anyway but either you are confused with who Biggs was or are just ignorant.
That is a fact!
Were Tyrell to box today, he would never be a factor.
@Master
I am not ignorant.
I am sorry if I don't choose to compare apples to oranges like you do.
I suppose your reasoning would be "Ali beat Terrell, same size as Klitschko, therefore he could beat Klitschko too".
It's nonsense! Tyson only ONCE fought an opponent as good as Klitschko and it was the most sickening beating he ever received. The so called "prime" Tyson never fought an opponent 1/10th as good or strong as Klitschko.
Alexander Povetkin is a good analogue for Tyson and he was beaten.
These are just the facts! I didn't make them!
wlad o queer
Alexander Povetkin:p:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
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Well I think Povetkin vs Tyson would be an excellent fight! And very evenly matched.
Hardly if Marco Huck can bash Povetkin round;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Totally moronic post again Max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
That Buster Douglas that beat Tyson would most likely beat Wlad.
Wlad is chinny, face it, the fact is no one is good enough at the moment to test him and hit it.
certain fighters were blessed by God and were accompanied into the ring with a troop of angels. The Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson that night would beat any single heavyweight in the entire history of the world. That Buster Douglas would have beat Joe Lewis and Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali.
Buster was good but a prime Tyson that fought Betbick beats him, so Douglas was beatable, remember Tyson had him down and that was an undisciplined, condomn packed corner men and king trying to poach version.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Buster Douglas from Tokyo was nothing more than a weaker, lesser version of Riddick Bowe.
Yeah I think that Buster could not have done that under usual circumstances.
But fact is this WAS prime Tyson, no excuses. And he LOST!
He lost to a mathematical featherfist bum!
In fact I basically respect ALL versions of Tyson, they were all dangerous as hell!
Tyson was always fast. Tyson always had good movement and always had power.
The thingh that really changed, was his OPPONENTS. They just got better and better, and stronger and stronger.
No No No!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Tyson's peak was short and bright. He was declining after each fight after Rooney left.
Prison actually lengthened Tyson's career because he probably would have been beaten by Bowe and Lewis.
Fighters did not get better. How do you continue to write this drivel?
Yep the fighters got better but just gave. Holmes an easy time.....