What are some bad stoppages or even questionable that could've continued, but you felt the ref was justified. Here is a stoppage I questioned Walker vs Wilson I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8nVpfV2s18
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What are some bad stoppages or even questionable that could've continued, but you felt the ref was justified. Here is a stoppage I questioned Walker vs Wilson I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8nVpfV2s18
piss-poor stoppage.
Taylor v Chavez is the worst in history!
What was there 2 seconds left in the fight?
Cassius Clay vs. Sonny Liston II
It was obvious that Sonny 'tripped' over his big feet, and crashed his head into the canvas.
Jersey Joe Walcott {Clueless Joe} should have halted the bout, and have a Doctor check
Sonny's head for trauma.
Jersey was too busy watching the fight, instead of reffing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
I didn't like the (round) that Khan vs MAB was stopped.
Barerra was bleeding profusely, yet the ref allowed it to go past the no contest rounds. Then outta nowhere with the same flow of blood he decides to have the doc look.
Not saying MAB would've won, I'm saying that was garbage to not even care about the cut until it made it past the NC rounds, then like a bat outta hell the ref wants the cut looked at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0oDnQ0TkpiA
(I've posted this before) but go to 6.45. This stoppage is as bad as it gets. No surprise that's it Ian John Lewis. This guy could not ref a pillow fight. He 100% suffers from earlystoppage-itis.
Yeah, it was a fuckin joke. And MAB wanted the rematch and was totally ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Mike Weaver vs. Michael Dokes 'I'
Hard to find many worse than this.
Brewer v Echols! Hachet was live off the ropes
Great example and one of my all time favorite fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
duuno if it has been mentioned but i watched carson jones v brian rose for the first time the other day
that was hurrendous
i was in barbados when it was on originally
Larry Holmes vs. Muhammad Ali
The bout should have been stopped way earlier by Angelo Dundee or the
Nevada State Boxing Commission.
Bad Stoppage in Reverse, as Muhammad Ali was done by Round 8.
Calzaghe --The Beanflicker thread lays it out!
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...stoppages.html
Lays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
No question Cal Slappy slapped his way to some early-ass slappages İ mean stoppages bwahaha but 'twas the ref, not he, who done the deed, indeed, he did. Froch,, Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Leonard, prime Roy JJ, hell İ'll go out on a limb and say even Kov and GGG wax his slappy backside.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I admitted to having not seen MUCH of Joe pre Lacy, not having not seen anything at all of his career pre-Lacy. I don't see how I had a "clear agenda", seeing as how I blatantly said that I thought he was a great boxer and that I never thought for a second that any of those guys would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I simply saw a compilation on Youtube of a collection of what I thought were bad stoppages and posted it to spark discussion on the topic (hence the "?" in the thread title). Don't see how I'm the bad guy there.
Oh come now, you know you have a clear agenda bro, he can see it so clearly, he sees all our "agendas".Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI admitted to having not seen MUCH of Joe pre Lacy, not having not seen anything at all of his career pre-Lacy. I don't see how I had a "clear agenda", seeing as how I blatantly said that I thought he was a great boxer and that I never thought for a second that any of those guys would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I simply saw a compilation on Youtube of a collection of what I thought were bad stoppages and posted it to spark discussion on the topic (hence the "?" in the thread title). Don't see how I'm the bad guy there.
For sure, he doesn't win 3 rounds vs prime Roy Jones. RJJ would have whipped that ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I give Calzaghe respect because he beat everyone put in front of him, but at the end of the day he fought in a weak division. If he had fought in the 168 class of a few years back there's no way he would have been the #1 guy. Ward would have beaten him.
Yes İ forgot Ward. İ respect Calzaghe, he was a superstar and great boxer. Undefeated and, once again, İtalian.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerFor sure, he doesn't win 3 rounds vs prime Roy Jones. RJJ would have whipped that ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
I give Calzaghe respect because he beat everyone put in front of him, but at the end of the day he fought in a weak division. If he had fought in the 168 class of a few years back there's no way he would have been the #1 guy. Ward would have beaten him.
You named one fighter? Woodhall? Okay ask Peter Manfredo jr. Not that you know him LOL Youtube his response. Not telling any fibs, but yet another one of my priviliged pilgrimmages to the BHOF, Peter wasn't angry about it, but humorously talked about how bad the stoppage was.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
So there : 1-1.:rolleyes:
And if fighters not complaining is the apex to determining if a fight was stopped prematurely: Check out docu called Fighting Ali.
Norton didn't complain, and Lyle not only didnt complain I remember his quote.
Lyle: Had it not been for Ali, would I be sitting here talking to you? oh yeah? 'bout what?"
When Frazier lost the rumble in the jungle the post fight he cleary stated "I got no complaints"
Now does that mean he didn't or was just a real trooper in the same way with Joe's oppopnents, not complaining doesnt mean Joe did not have early stoppages-
Not every fighter complains is my point.
But here's my agenda in this clip- Joe is dropped, 2 minutes in this clip, then Byron is dropped, Joe goes on a flurry and sends Byron reeling to the ropes, to which the ref stops. Are U friggin kidding me? Not even a standing 8? Bad stoppage, B.S. stoppage? OK how' bout homecookin' stoppage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0_b_M9ulk
I don't think you are the bad guy but that if you go into a hypothetical situation wanting to prove something then you will find evidence to support it. The Video you posted is complied from that perspective and so of course supports your theory if you look at it that way. I get to some degree why a lot of people don't really get Calzaghe but to just drag up the tired Slappy thing is a bit telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI admitted to having not seen MUCH of Joe pre Lacy, not having not seen anything at all of his career pre-Lacy. I don't see how I had a "clear agenda", seeing as how I blatantly said that I thought he was a great boxer and that I never thought for a second that any of those guys would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I simply saw a compilation on Youtube of a collection of what I thought were bad stoppages and posted it to spark discussion on the topic (hence the "?" in the thread title). Don't see how I'm the bad guy there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeYou named one fighter? Woodhall? Okay ask Peter Manfredo jr. Not that you know him LOL Youtube his response. Not telling any fibs, but yet another one of my priviliged pilgrimmages to the BHOF, Peter wasn't angry about it, but humorously talked about how bad the stoppage was.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
So there : 1-1.:rolleyes:
And if fighters not complaining is the apex to determining if a fight was stopped prematurely: Check out docu called Fighting Ali.
Norton didn't complain, and Lyle not only didnt complain I remember his quote.
Lyle: Had it not been for Ali, would I be sitting here talking to you? oh yeah? 'bout what?"
When Frazier lost the rumble in the jungle the post fight he cleary stated "I got no complaints"
Now does that mean he didn't or was just a real trooper in the same way with Joe's oppopnents, not complaining doesnt mean Joe did not have early stoppages-
Not every fighter complains is my point.
But here's my agenda in this clip- Joe is dropped, 2 minutes in this clip, then Byron is dropped, Joe goes on a flurry and sends Byron reeling to the ropes, to which the ref stops. Are U friggin kidding me? Not even a standing 8? Bad stoppage, B.S. stoppage? OK how' bout homecookin' stoppage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0_b_M9ulk
Are you fucking blind?
I mean seriously i know this fight inside out and after JC decks him he hits him about 40-50 times and Mitchell throws ONE punch back then nearly goes over like a tree with his legs clearly gone and smashes backwards into the corner of the ring , Calzaghe is waiting in front of him to do more damage but the ref waves it off.
That's what i call a good and sensible stoppage and exactly what the ref is in there to do.
Mitchell should've gotten a standing 8.
The fact that he had dropped Calzaghe earlier in the round cannot be ignored.
Corrales-Castillo, anyone?
But whatever. What about this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2E6sGjNGo4
Geez folks.
If pointing out a Calzaghe fight to say it was a bad stoppage constitutes hatin', there sure as hell are a lot of thin skins around here.
2:32 in Byron throws 2 lazy shots that don't hit the target- BUT he throws.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupAre you fucking blind?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeBut here's my agenda in this clip- Joe is dropped, 2 minutes in this clip, then Byron is dropped, Joe goes on a flurry and sends Byron reeling to the ropes, to which the ref stops. Are U friggin kidding me? Not even a standing 8? Bad stoppage, B.S. stoppage? OK how' bout homecookin' stoppage?Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0_b_M9ulk
Joe goes on a flurry and sends Byron reeling to the ropes
I mean seriously i know this fight inside out and after JC decks him
I like how you start off with the 2nd knockdown and not the 1st one- Mitchell's knockdown, why? no need??;D
he hits him about 40-50 times and Mitchell throws ONE punch back then nearly goes over like a tree with his legs clearly gone and smashes backwards into the corner of the ring
Like a tree? Well trees either go over or they don't. Mitchell didn't. But let me try your spin :) For the 1st knockdown check this out bro.;D
1:20 in notice how Joe hugs him like a prom queen hugs her king .
1:22 in notice how Mitchell lands such thudding, thunderific, big cycloptic-fuckin balls o'mongus body shots! And see how Joe dropped to the canvas like a hoe will drop her panties to a $50 dollar bill. ;D
That right hand sent Calzaghe the other way of the ref, But...no need to stop, give Cal a chance right?
1:41 the fights picks up..
, Calzaghe is waiting in front of him to do more damage but the ref waves it off.
Yeah, what I typed as well. but let me add this:
1:40-1:50 am I so blind I cant see they are both trading?
1:52 Byron is down
Joe's next punch is at 2:07 now here is the MOST IMPORTANT THING MY BLIND ASS couldn't see
2:27 RIGHT THERE...LOOK AT IT...Joe looks at the ref. Why? Don't think he's egging the ref to stop it? Out of the 20 or so thrown, I guess I'm too blind to see he didn't land them all.
That's what i call a good and sensible stoppage and exactly what the ref is in there to do.
2:40 in Interesting that if you look at the moment of the stoppage- the ref AINT EVEN LOOKING AT Byron. His eyes are on the canvas shaking his head every way but in the face of Byron.
So from 1:52 in 2nd round when Byron goes down- up till 2:07 when Joe throws the next punch.
Again:
From 2:07 till 2:40 in the same round Joe was down..
It was just too much.
33seconds worth of an ass-erific, hellatious calslapified of a beatdown, that I was too fucking blind to see. No need to let him fall, no need for a standing 8.
I will have to watch some of your posts more closely as it relates to fights refereed by Steve Smoger and Frank Cappacino. There were fights they allowed fighters every chance to redeem and when they stopped fights it was always because they 1. stopped 2. looked into the eyes of the fighter they choose to waive off if @ that time they hadn't hit the canvas. :-\
If someone stands up for the Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage, then we can exclude their opinion. That was an awful stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah the Brits get real precious when it comes to Calzaghe. And to be fair nobody is evening criticizing Calzaghe, it's not his fault if the ref jumps in early. And again I'll say all those guys who might have gotten a bad stoppage... Calzaghe whips and probably finishes them anyway. All the refs really did in those cases was save them from a few more rounds of punishment. Manfredo had no chance vs Joe.
On the other end of the coin, a really bad stoppage I always think of was Frenkel/Macarenelli. Enzo was knocked out, managed to get to his feet on instinct but was out on his feet, the ref let him go and Frenkel hit him with a knockout blow that looked like it broke his neck.
When a slow starter meets a fast starter, the potential for an early explosion is high, and that was the case here.
When Dokes entered the ring, he threw six red roses to the crowd as was his weird wont. As soon as the bell rang, Dokes stormed after the popular Weaver, a notoriously slow starter. Then, just twenty seconds into the fight, Dokes staggered Weaver with a left hook and then dropped him with a follow-up hook.
Weaver got up quickly and did not appear to be badly hurt. After taking the mandatory eight count, the Adonis-physiqued Mike covered up on the ropes and Dokes went straight for the kill. He got it at the 1:03 mark as referee Joey Curtis stopped the fight awarding the Don King fighter the World title. The stunned and angry crowd began to boo and then chanted “Bullshit! Bullshit!” and “Fix! Fix!” Meanwhile, a brawl broke out in the ring between supporters of the two fighters.
Dokes had demanded the championship belt that Weaver had worn into the ring, and Weaver’s brother swiped at Dokes, causing the mini-mayhem. The brawling camps and the crowd’s growing disgruntlement persuaded ring announcer Chuck Hall that it would be prudent if he did not announce the TKO, and he quickly left the arena.
The fight took place four weeks after the fatal Mancini-Kim bout, and referee Curtis was told by the Nevada State Athletic Commission to beware of a fighter’s health during the match.Curtis had been chosen as the referee the morning of the fight at a meeting of the Nevada State Athletic Commission and said they discussed the Deuk Koo Kim tragedy at the meeting. Kim, a South Korean lightweight, died the previous month after a championship fight with Ray Mancini.
“Kim was all they stressed at that meeting,” he said. “And Kim was always in the back of my head.” A day later, Roy Tennison, executive secretary of the commission, said, “I think the ref overreacted because of all the safety talk.”
The WBA ordered a rematch. This one ended in a controversial draw after which the always quotable Dokes exclaimed, “I’ll fight anybody, as long as it isn’t Weaver. They’ll have to strip my title first.”
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this was the first calzaghe fight i ever watched and i thought it was a terrible stoppage. byron tripped. thats why he fell backwards into the ropes. he may have gotten hit but he didnt stumble backwards because he was really hurt or anything. calzaghe didnt really land anything big, just some slaps and the ref stops it. byron was definitely in the fight and had calzaghe hurt earlier. the is one of the worst stoppages i have ever seen. if you think it was a good stoppage then you must just be a huge calzaghe fan that was scared he was going to lose if the fight wasnt stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashupQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeYou named one fighter? Woodhall? Okay ask Peter Manfredo jr. Not that you know him LOL Youtube his response. Not telling any fibs, but yet another one of my priviliged pilgrimmages to the BHOF, Peter wasn't angry about it, but humorously talked about how bad the stoppage was.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzLays what out? Someone using conjecture and a clear agenda to make a groundless assertion? Where are all the complaints from Calzaghe's opponents? Ask Woodhall what he thinks? The OP even admits not to having seen Joe pre Lacy, which is about 85/90% of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
So there : 1-1.:rolleyes:
And if fighters not complaining is the apex to determining if a fight was stopped prematurely: Check out docu called Fighting Ali.
Norton didn't complain, and Lyle not only didnt complain I remember his quote.
Lyle: Had it not been for Ali, would I be sitting here talking to you? oh yeah? 'bout what?"
When Frazier lost the rumble in the jungle the post fight he cleary stated "I got no complaints"
Now does that mean he didn't or was just a real trooper in the same way with Joe's oppopnents, not complaining doesnt mean Joe did not have early stoppages-
Not every fighter complains is my point.
But here's my agenda in this clip- Joe is dropped, 2 minutes in this clip, then Byron is dropped, Joe goes on a flurry and sends Byron reeling to the ropes, to which the ref stops. Are U friggin kidding me? Not even a standing 8? Bad stoppage, B.S. stoppage? OK how' bout homecookin' stoppage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0_b_M9ulk
Are you fucking blind?
I mean seriously i know this fight inside out and after JC decks him he hits him about 40-50 times and Mitchell throws ONE punch back then nearly goes over like a tree with his legs clearly gone and smashes backwards into the corner of the ring , Calzaghe is waiting in front of him to do more damage but the ref waves it off.
That's what i call a good and sensible stoppage and exactly what the ref is in there to do.
"a bit telling" .... there he goes again.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI don't think you are the bad guy but that if you go into a hypothetical situation wanting to prove something then you will find evidence to support it. The Video you posted is complied from that perspective and so of course supports your theory if you look at it that way. I get to some degree why a lot of people don't really get Calzaghe but to just drag up the tired Slappy thing is a bit telling.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI admitted to having not seen MUCH of Joe pre Lacy, not having not seen anything at all of his career pre-Lacy. I don't see how I had a "clear agenda", seeing as how I blatantly said that I thought he was a great boxer and that I never thought for a second that any of those guys would have beaten him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
I simply saw a compilation on Youtube of a collection of what I thought were bad stoppages and posted it to spark discussion on the topic (hence the "?" in the thread title). Don't see how I'm the bad guy there.
Joey C was known to throw some slaps from time to time, I mean come on.
Per search engine AOL I typed : bad stoppages to see what others have. To my surprise the 1st was this thread @ Saddo.
;D
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What are some bad stoppages or even questionable that could've continued, but you felt the ref was justified. Here is a stoppage I questioned Walker.
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What are some bad stoppages or even questionable that could've continued, but you felt the ref was justified. Here is a stoppage I questioned Walker.
Yeah for sure. He is a favourite of mine but he definitely slapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Early in his career though the slaps were rare (but still a tendency) and he was heavy handed. He only tended to slap at the end of a multiple punch assault.
Around the time he fought Byron Mitchell he still had good power but the slaps were more prominent. Then from around the Salem fight (one or two before Lacy if I recall right) his hands were dust and he did slap a lot.
The thing is he COULD still throw good straight shots but as well as the potential to damage his hands he felt that accumulation was the best tactic.
He did though keep power in his body shots throughout.. It was a body shot in the 8th that tipped things his way conclusively against Kessler.
I was there at the Manfredo fight and it was a horrible stoppage for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerIf someone stands up for the Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage, then we can exclude their opinion. That was an awful stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah the Brits get real precious when it comes to Calzaghe. And to be fair nobody is evening criticizing Calzaghe, it's not his fault if the ref jumps in early. And again I'll say all those guys who might have gotten a bad stoppage... Calzaghe whips and probably finishes them anyway. All the refs really did in those cases was save them from a few more rounds of punishment. Manfredo had no chance vs Joe.
The thing is though people see that and assume that was what it was like in his earlier career but it wasn't the case at all.
Liston ate a good right hand. Not strong enough to KO Liston. Sonny just flat quit. Walcott did the right thing. He can't start the count until Clay went to a corner. He stool over Liston the whole time. It was Nat Fleischer who was at ring side telling Walcott the fight was over because Liston was on the canvas than 10 sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Muhammad Ali vs. Ron Lyle
Horrible stoppage for a Heavyweight World Championship.
Ron was ahead on '2' of the Scorecards, and was obviously giving Muhammad a very
tough time.
Ron got staggered in Round 11, but was not about to get KO'd, as he was only 'stunned'.
Muhammad had punched himself out while wailing away on Ron who was pinned
in the back-right Corner.
"Bad Stoppage"
Man I bet. You probably was just sitting down, ready to watch some good stuff, then outta nowhere fight is over. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanI was there at the Manfredo fight and it was a horrible stoppage for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerIf someone stands up for the Calzaghe/Manfredo stoppage, then we can exclude their opinion. That was an awful stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Yeah the Brits get real precious when it comes to Calzaghe. And to be fair nobody is evening criticizing Calzaghe, it's not his fault if the ref jumps in early. And again I'll say all those guys who might have gotten a bad stoppage... Calzaghe whips and probably finishes them anyway. All the refs really did in those cases was save them from a few more rounds of punishment. Manfredo had no chance vs Joe.
The thing is though people see that and assume that was what it was like in his earlier career but it wasn't the case at all.
Canelo over Gomez! WTF
Every stoppage on that Calzaghe video was awful, shameful really. Anyone that argues otherwise is biased.
That doesn't change his greatness. It just shows why people should fight at home because those were terrible.