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There's a "story" doing the rounds that Judah dropped Floyd with a body shot recently but has since denied it via twitter (as if he'd be allowed to confirm it anyway) ;)
Anyone reckon there's any truth in the story?
Floyd Mayweather advisor denies boxer was 'floored' by Zab Judah during sparring - Times LIVE
Training partner denies claims he KNOCKED OUT Floyd Mayweather in sparring ahead of $300m superfight - Mirror Online
Well, he decked Floyd in their real fight. So, I can believe it... lolol....Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
I read that Floyd was beating him up in training and they decided to preserve Judah who also has a fight coming up soon as his eye was getting messed up. I doubt Judah has all that much left TBH, certainly not enough to put a hurting on Floyd.
Judah never had the concentration for any fight past 10 rounds... but what he does have is good pop within the first 5 rounds... I think he decked Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Judah is a poster child of a good fighter who had it all to be great but his mind never let him get over the hurdle to be greatness.
There's way too many plausible scenarios to really think one thing or the other.
a) It never happened and it's just a wild rumour made up by some idiot. I know that Floyd is very private about his sparring sessions (no cameras, ect) so I have to wonder how many people were around to see it that would be willing to leak that information.
b) It never happened and it's a rumour fabricated by Floyd's camp to fuck with Manny, or maybe plant an idea in their heads to go for the body more and walk into some kind of tactical trap Floyd has laid out for him.
c) It sorta happened, maybe Floyd was off balance and slipped or some other innocuous thing, and somebody blew it out of proportion.
d) It did happen and Judah is being a good soldier/friend and covering for Floyd.
All options are equally plausible so it's hard to lean one way or the other.
I highly doubt it.
In his prime, with 8oz. gloves, all he managed to do was land maybe 3 good punches. So an old Judah, who can't get his punches off anymore, coupled with 16oz. sparring gloves dropped Floyd? Not a chance.
of course you do, you'd probably believe it if they told you that Pacquiao put a hurting on Golovkin alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaJudah never had the concentration for any fight past 10 rounds... but what he does have is good pop within the first 5 rounds... I think he decked Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Judah is a poster child of a good fighter who had it all to be great but his mind never let him get over the hurdle to be greatness.
Could be true, could be false, but the point is #1 it gets people talking about the fight #2 it gets people second guessing how they think the fight will go.
Guerrero, Ortiz, Judah, even Cotto for a while fought Floyd as southpaws. Was Floyd great against them, did he have trouble with them, and does Manny offer anything different than those guys? I personally think Floyd was solid against those lefties, although he has gotten caught clean a few times recently (probably worst time was when Shane connected early) and you've seen him hang on and sort himself out. Manny is a pressure fighter with big pop...I think Floyd certainly has the skills to destroy Manny, but at the same time Manny has the punching power and constant pressure to trouble Floyd. For Manny to win, he has to avoid Floyd's sharp counters and flurries. For Floyd to win, he's got to avoid the big bomb.
I just want a fight as epic as the build up to it....which won't happen
I don't see how it matters one way or the other. Believe whatever you want!
Nothing matters until Floyd and Manny get in the ring together.
It's like believing the virgin birth, if it's plagiarism why believe it is true in this instance? This same story circulated before the Alvarez fight.
Roach is also claiming that Floyd has been completely bashed about by a Mexican sparring partner on two consecutive days.
^does this sound even remotely true?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
We have to accept that team Pac is FOS and the fan base follows their lead. Heredia is not working with Floyd, everyone including Heredia has said so but the Pac trolls continue to say he is working with him. There are countless "sign the contract" stories going around. One side just follows liars so they lie. 37 more days of nonsense and then we will hear excuses instead of lies. Part of me hopes Floyd loses just so the BS will stop
Roach is also saying Manny's legs are cramping up during training....it's all spin and speculation at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Manny Pacquiao using $1,800 cream to prevent leg cramps, reveals trainer Freddie Roach - Mirror OnlineQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRoach is also saying Manny's legs are cramping up during training....it's all spin and speculation at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
This is really a matter of Mayweather's cat. How will our beliefs, and knowledge of the truth affect the truth?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Like they'd be above conning Floyd into thinking that Manny has leg issues :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoManny Pacquiao using $1,800 cream to prevent leg cramps, reveals trainer Freddie Roach - Mirror OnlineQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRoach is also saying Manny's legs are cramping up during training....it's all spin and speculation at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
It's all a part of mind games both sides have been playing around with these days. I don't know which side this one is coming from though. Floyd's camp has been spreading words that he'll knock the heck out of Pac, which translated means just the opposite: I'm afraid he will go into his forte, getting into his defense shell and throwing pot shots. Pac's camp has been saying the same thing too but with a different purpose: I think they really believe that Floyd is scared and trying to play up on it. If you're smart like ruthless rocky, just don't believe in these stuffs.
Hard to take any of it seriously. Could be true, could be bullshit, could be mind games, who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongLike they'd be above conning Floyd into thinking that Manny has leg issues :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoManny Pacquiao using $1,800 cream to prevent leg cramps, reveals trainer Freddie Roach - Mirror OnlineQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongRoach is also saying Manny's legs are cramping up during training....it's all spin and speculation at this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Scarfing 3 Big Macs in a yoga class. No I cannot see him hurt in the body at all.
It never happened. Judah is far too old and worn out to put anyone down especially in sparring. Hype.
Well, because Floyd does not ever let the media into his sparring sessions, no one would ever know. The last time the media was in the gym to see him spar was against Spadafora, and he was handled real well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesof course you do, you'd probably believe it if they told you that Pacquiao put a hurting on Golovkin alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaJudah never had the concentration for any fight past 10 rounds... but what he does have is good pop within the first 5 rounds... I think he decked Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Judah is a poster child of a good fighter who had it all to be great but his mind never let him get over the hurdle to be greatness.
Sparring is different, depending on the type of sparring, than a real fight. One fighter can be on offense all the time, the other on defence... it could be a "soft" touch and go sparring session, or an all out hard fight in sparring.
So, EVERYONE is dropped at least once or twice in their career- in the amateurs, the gym training, or in a real fight.
If this notion that Judah dropped Floyd came out, I am more inclined to believe it because he actually dropped Floyd in their real fight; and for the mere fact is that is what sparring is for- to tune up, not to show an indication that you are there for a real fight.
yea cause everyone knows that sparring matches are "more intense" than an actual fight...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWell, because Floyd does not ever let the media into his sparring sessions, no one would ever know. The last time the media was in the gym to see him spar was against Spadafora, and he was handled real well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesof course you do, you'd probably believe it if they told you that Pacquiao put a hurting on Golovkin alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaJudah never had the concentration for any fight past 10 rounds... but what he does have is good pop within the first 5 rounds... I think he decked Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Judah is a poster child of a good fighter who had it all to be great but his mind never let him get over the hurdle to be greatness.
Sparring is different, depending on the type of sparring, than a real fight. One fighter can be on offense all the time, the other on defence... it could be a "soft" touch and go sparring session, or an all out hard fight in sparring.
So, EVERYONE is dropped at least once or twice in their career- in the amateurs, the gym training, or in a real fight.
If this notion that Judah dropped Floyd came out, I am more inclined to believe it because he actually dropped Floyd in their real fight; and for the mere fact is that is what sparring is for- to tune up, not to show an indication that you are there for a real fight.
Judah hasn't done shit in the last 3 years other than beat up a never was prospect and then get his ass whooped by Malignaggi and Garcia, neither being on the level of Mayweather, a guy who's only been seriously hurt by a heavy handed Mosley
This is boxing... anything can happen. Who would have thunk that Judah would be the first person to legitimately drop Floyd in a real fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause everyone knows that sparring matches are "more intense" than an actual fight...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWell, because Floyd does not ever let the media into his sparring sessions, no one would ever know. The last time the media was in the gym to see him spar was against Spadafora, and he was handled real well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesof course you do, you'd probably believe it if they told you that Pacquiao put a hurting on Golovkin alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaJudah never had the concentration for any fight past 10 rounds... but what he does have is good pop within the first 5 rounds... I think he decked Floyd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Judah is a poster child of a good fighter who had it all to be great but his mind never let him get over the hurdle to be greatness.
Sparring is different, depending on the type of sparring, than a real fight. One fighter can be on offense all the time, the other on defence... it could be a "soft" touch and go sparring session, or an all out hard fight in sparring.
So, EVERYONE is dropped at least once or twice in their career- in the amateurs, the gym training, or in a real fight.
If this notion that Judah dropped Floyd came out, I am more inclined to believe it because he actually dropped Floyd in their real fight; and for the mere fact is that is what sparring is for- to tune up, not to show an indication that you are there for a real fight.
Judah hasn't done shit in the last 3 years other than beat up a never was prospect and then get his ass whooped by Malignaggi and Garcia, neither being on the level of Mayweather, a guy who's only been seriously hurt by a heavy handed Mosley
Judah is good for no more than 5 rounds of stiff competition, even to this day. I believe he dropped Floyd.
nob ed started the rumour, him and manny are fighting for the lime light in the build up and now everyones talking about the bellend
I don't see it as impossible. Judah has targeted the body more as he got older because it keeps his head out of range of counters when he stays low.
As for floyd.. he was previously injured in sparring once before. (cant remember which fight but was wearing a rib cushioning pad for the rest of camp. He claimed a sparring partner hit him incorrectly or an incorrect spot. I've seen sparring partners been given specific instructions but truthfully and honestly .. if its legal and it landed. its fair game. So its conceivable that he's susceptible to body shots. There's room in the philly shell to work the body especially if you fake them into guarding high. Jab high hook low and take the body. Depending on how hes bladed, it can land behind the elbow or partially on the liver area. It's not impossible. For someone like Judah, its manageable to reach back and pull something slick out of yesterday.
Sparring partners remain mum. It's an unwritten rule for professionally sparring with someone (just like some partners taking their foot off the gas and lose the last match of camp so the Champ goes in to the fight on a mental high.) If you knock down the the champ, you say nothing.. or "lucky shot, champ" and stay humble unless you are asked about it (was it deliberate, how'd you spot it?) or you could go home early. Some trainers like having someone around who will make their fighters work. Others not so much, if they have a fighter who can lose focus...
Anyone's guess if this happened or not, but it is possible. Not often talked about.