Andreas Lubitz - how evil does it get?

This sick murderous fuck INTENTIONALLY CRASHED THE PLANE AND MANUALLY LOCKED THE POOR CAPTAIN OUT OF THE COCKPIT. The captain tried valiantly to smash the door in with his shoulder before the sick fuck nose-dived the planed into the mountain.

Im thinking the captain realized somnthing was seriously wrong after he kn0cked and the co pilot scum bag doesnt even deserve that title, wouldnt answer the door. Not only that but the audio recording of the co-pilot showed he was breathing very calmly and slowly, with no sign of fear or stress about what he was doing right up until the impact.

What the FUCK is this world coming to. People were heard screaming bloody murder when they realized this was going down nose first.

I SAY: GOD DAMN, GOD DAMN, GOD DAMN. NO WORDS FOR IT.

So what do you think? Muslim, Nazi, some other death cult or severe mental illness?

Either this evil scumbag was suddenly possessed by Satan or he planned it out like a secret closet terrorist. I will have some difficulties believing he didn't secretly join some psychotic group of fanatics. If they say it was suicide or disgruntlement, it wouldn't make any sense at all. Suicide? He could've done that before showing up at the airport. Piece of inhuman shit. If there is a Hell....

Early money is on mental illness...

Germanwings Airbus A320 crashes in French Alps with 150 people on board: latest - Telegraph


It just sucks that people can distort reality so badly that they see a drastic action like suicide as a means to an end, even worse when that suicide is also a mass murder. Sure it'll get the point across to the families of just how bad Lubitz was feeling, but come to people honestly and openly tell them your troubles instead of something like this and things can turn around and be better again.

The mere idea of suicide always stuck in my brain even when I was a child. I heard about famous people, celebrities, musicians, political leaders, even not so famous people like friends/acquaintances of my parents' having committed suicide. It ALWAYS made me wonder, how could things get that bad, what kind of feelings was the person going through to feel that there was 0 possibility of things getting better, to think that there was 0 possibility of ever being happy or at peace again. Of course that got me into some trouble in elementary school when the guidance counselor asked "Have you ever thought about suicide?" well fucking OF COURSE I've had thoughts about it: why someone does it, what causes it, how they did it, what the family and friends of the deceased felt like having to deal with it....all very common very natural thoughts, but of course the guidance counselor never stopped for a discussion I was just allowed to answer "yes" and then of course it was all hands on deck which of course frightened the shit out of my parents until they had a true discussion about it with me. Luckily my thoughts about suicide are not about doing it, but instead are about how people reach that end. Sometimes there's nothing a friend or family member can do, sometimes there's nothing a psychologist or psychiatrist can do......but this event, this is a horrific tragedy.

If the pilot is mentally ill everyone on the plane is dead.

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If the pilot is mentally ill everyone on the plane is dead.

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Co-pilot in this case.

i was thinking if they haD HAD ANOTHER 5 OR 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE CRASH, THE CAPTIAN COULD HAVE GONE AND GOT 10 OR 20 MEN TO ALL HIT THE DOOR AT THE SAME TIME AND SMASH IT IN.

It's so crazy to think, it's one thing for a 28 year old to want to die, but to murder 150 people in the process? What a crazy world :eek:

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It's so crazy to think, it's one thing for a 28 year old to want to die, but to murderss 150 people in the process? What a crazy world :eek:

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Maybe there's a whole 'nother thing that happened. Maybe he had some kind of seizure and tried to get up and his hand accidentally hit the door lock button. Then he fell onto the controls.... ?? I don't know but if unconscious that'd explain his FUCKING BIZZARRE NORMAL CALM BREATHING. shit even the 9-11 hijackers were hyperventilating with fear.

I've been trying to avoid the mainstream news as it is a bit toxic, but have heard that the crash was perhaps intentional. Is so, then it is beyond wicked. If you are that pissed off, then put a bullet in your head and be done with it. How dare you take so many innocent people down with you? Not just those people, but the thousands who will carry the trauma through the rest of their lives. It's too much.

Another kind of sick bastard. But what gets me is how does a Captain not have any literal override to subordinate. How long were these two flying together?

Is there ever need for ground based manual override to doors etc. I mean shit, we can track phones in seconds???

How can people honestly throw out terms like suicide or mental illness on this, for fucks sake. He killed 150 random people. He didn't jump off a bridge because he thought he'd hurt his family more being alive, this is someone that murdered 150 complete strangers. I'm not a PC person, but if he were an Arab or Muslim person, it would without question be called terrorism, but now people are going to talk about his feelings or something? Jesus christ.

@Spicoli, apparently on this model of airbus there was an override code, but it didn't work if entrance to the cockpit had been manually denied by the pilot. Ironically in this case, to prevent a hijacking of course.

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How can people honestly throw out terms like suicide or mental illness on this, for fucks sake. He killed 150 random people. He didn't jump off a bridge because he thought he'd hurt his family more being alive, this is someone that murdered 150 complete strangers. I'm not a PC person, but if he were an Arab or Muslim person, it would without question be called terrorism, but now people are going to talk about his feelings or something? Jesus christ.

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1000% agree. Fuck his feelings. Fuck him. A heinous act which lowers his ass in the History of the Universe to the lowest level possible. An unenviable place he will occupy now for all of eternity. He cannot take it back. It is HELL. maybe if not in the traditional sense but in some quantum physics sense. HE OCCUPIES HELL. HE CHOSE IT OF HIS OWN FREE WILL.

unless as I said farther up this thread that some very improbable and freakish event took place in the cockpit when he was alone for example if it is really possible to be possessed by an evil spirit then it is not his fault or if he had a seizure and his hand hit the door lock button by accident and he fell onto the controls which sent the plane into its dive.if that highly unlikely event took place then please forgive me for accusing this guy of being relegated to some kind of hell for all of eternity.

There's 2 simple ways to stop this happening.
Finger print/eye scan entry to cockpit and a rule that there has to be 2 in the cockpit at all times.
Lufthansa are one of the only airlines in Europe that don't have this rule and only employ 2 pilots.

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How can people honestly throw out terms like suicide or mental illness on this, for fucks sake. He killed 150 random people. He didn't jump off a bridge because he thought he'd hurt his family more being alive, this is someone that murdered 150 complete strangers. I'm not a PC person, but if he were an Arab or Muslim person, it would without question be called terrorism, but now people are going to talk about his feelings or something? Jesus christ.

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He'll be called a terrorist if there is any evidence of a political or ideological motive... :rolleyes:
Nobody cares about his feelings, they just want answers, so spare the rhetoric until we get some.

P4P is correct in his analysis though. Change the name and skin colour and it would be immediate terrorism. Like when Putin shot down that plane with his air rifle and when France was infiltrated by those devilish Muslim sorts. It's terrorism whenever it fits our agenda and isn't when we decide it doesn't. Terrorism is just a fancy name for those we don't like killing people. Personally, I think the killing of 150 people regardless of who did it an act of terrorism.

andreas 666 lubitz March 24, 2015 a day that will live in darkness for quite some time

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P4P is correct in his analysis though. Change the name and skin colour and it would be immediate terrorism. Like when Putin shot down that plane with his air rifle and when France was infiltrated by those devilish Muslim sorts. It's terrorism whenever it fits our agenda and isn't when we decide it doesn't. Terrorism is just a fancy name for those we don't like killing people. Personally, I think the killing of 150 people regardless of who did it an act of terrorism.

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No, it's an act of mass murder and senseless violence. Just because it's not (yet confirmed as) terrorism, doesn't make it any less awful.

Terrorism's definition is clearly defined and has nothing to do with the scale or scope of violence, an Animal Rights activist petrol bombing the empty admin office of a company which tests on animals is terrorism, even though no person would have been harmed.

Lets not bastardise the word for the sake of our emotion.

The news just stated investigators found a doctor's note excusing him from work the day of the crash torn up in the guys apartment. I was hoping there was a rush to judgement but it sounding very peculiar. What if the guy did have a heart attack or seizure or something of the like.I guess we need to find out why the doctor was excusing him. Apparently three Americans were on the flight as well. Not that it makes a difference in its tragic nature, I just heard it. I guess I'm hoping this is not a purposeful event but I have to say it's looking more that way with every report.

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The news just stated investigators found a doctor's note excusing him from work the day of the crash torn up in the guys apartment. I was hoping there was a rush to judgement but it sounding very peculiar. What if the guy did have a heart attack or seizure or something of the like.I guess we need to find out why the doctor was excusing him. Apparently three Americans were on the flight as well. Not that it makes a difference in its tragic nature, I just heard it. I guess I'm hoping this is not a purposeful event but I have to say it's looking more that way with every report.

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I've been tied up with something this week so I'm a bit behind in the news but apparently the cockpit recording shows the compiling was conscious and breathing normally during the descent on the way to the crash. Damn, I was hoping that wouldn't be the case, it's scary what any of us are capable of. I'm only flying in a plane if Brock or Miles are driving the bitch

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The news just stated investigators found a doctor's note excusing him from work the day of the crash torn up in the guys apartment. I was hoping there was a rush to judgement but it sounding very peculiar. What if the guy did have a heart attack or seizure or something of the like.I guess we need to find out why the doctor was excusing him. Apparently three Americans were on the flight as well. Not that it makes a difference in its tragic nature, I just heard it. I guess I'm hoping this is not a purposeful event but I have to say it's looking more that way with every report.

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I've been tied up with something this week so I'm a bit behind in the news but apparently the cockpit recording shows the compiling was conscious and breathing normally during the descent on the way to the crash. Damn, I was hoping that wouldn't be the case, it's scary what any of us are capable of. I'm only flying in a plane if Brock or Miles are driving the bitch

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How can people honestly throw out terms like suicide or mental illness on this, for fucks sake. He killed 150 random people. He didn't jump off a bridge because he thought he'd hurt his family more being alive, this is someone that murdered 150 complete strangers. I'm not a PC person, but if he were an Arab or Muslim person, it would without question be called terrorism, but now people are going to talk about his feelings or something? Jesus christ.

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He'll be called a terrorist if there is any evidence of a political or ideological motive... :rolleyes:
Nobody cares about his feelings, they just want answers, so spare the rhetoric until we get some.

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Taking down a commercial flight fits my definition of it under any circumstance, as Miles said the term just gets thrown around when it fits. A large attack on random people in public is what it is, you are dealing with a terrorist and a mental inherently imo. Barring brocks extremely unlikely freak accident theory, this guy knew what he was doing and that's what matters.

[QUOTE=Gandalf;1312856P4P is correct in his analysis though. Change the name and skin colour and it would be immediate terrorism. [/QUOTE]

I heard a stat somewhere that 100% of Islamic terrorists practice Islam... don't know if it's true or not though ;D

Sadly, change his name and skin color to a certain ethnicity and chances are it would be Islamic terrorism

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How can people honestly throw out terms like suicide or mental illness on this, for fucks sake. He killed 150 random people. He didn't jump off a bridge because he thought he'd hurt his family more being alive, this is someone that murdered 150 complete strangers. I'm not a PC person, but if he were an Arab or Muslim person, it would without question be called terrorism, but now people are going to talk about his feelings or something? Jesus christ.

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He'll be called a terrorist if there is any evidence of a political or ideological motive... :rolleyes:
Nobody cares about his feelings, they just want answers, so spare the rhetoric until we get some.

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Taking down a commercial flight fits my definition of it under any circumstance, as Miles said the term just gets thrown around when it fits. A large attack on random people in public is what it is, you are dealing with a terrorist and a mental inherently imo. Barring brocks extremely unlikely freak accident theory, this guy knew what he was doing and that's what matters.

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I kind of get where you coming from on a very loose sense, but there still needs to be some sort of political or religious ideology or motive for it to meet the definition properly.
Like I say, I can ses your point but can't agree 100%

I train a pilot (not to fly lol) I'll ask him when I see him next, but from what I've heard, you can't accidently deadlock the door and put the plane into descent, not in a million years.

He's let me in the cockpit when the plane's been landed, those doors are thick and the frame/hinges too, you'd need something pretty substantial to get that door down. I keep going through the scenario - what would be to hand on a plane? What could be used to batter or prise the door open? I don't even think they have heavy duty fire extinguishers. It's making me sick thinking of those minutes.

Planes glide too, I've flown a small plane and pushing the yoke to make it descend took a decent amount of force, no way was it accidental.

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Sadly, change his name and skin color to a certain ethnicity and chances are it would be Islamic terrorism

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People may say that yes but they wouldn't necessarily be right.

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How can people honestly throw out terms like suicide or mental illness on this, for fucks sake. He killed 150 random people. He didn't jump off a bridge because he thought he'd hurt his family more being alive, this is someone that murdered 150 complete strangers. I'm not a PC person, but if he were an Arab or Muslim person, it would without question be called terrorism, but now people are going to talk about his feelings or something? Jesus christ.

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He'll be called a terrorist if there is any evidence of a political or ideological motive... :rolleyes:
Nobody cares about his feelings, they just want answers, so spare the rhetoric until we get some.

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Taking down a commercial flight fits my definition of it under any circumstance, as Miles said the term just gets thrown around when it fits. A large attack on random people in public is what it is, you are dealing with a terrorist and a mental inherently imo. Barring brocks extremely unlikely freak accident theory, this guy knew what he was doing and that's what matters.

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I kind of get where you coming from on a very loose sense, but there still needs to be some sort of political or religious ideology or motive for it to meet the definition properly.
Like I say, I can ses your point but can't agree 100%

I train a pilot (not to fly lol) I'll ask him when I see him next, but from what I've heard, you can't accidently deadlock the door and put the plane into descent, not in a million years.

He's let me in the cockpit when the plane's been landed, those doors are thick and the frame/hinges too, you'd need something pretty substantial to get that door down. I keep going through the scenario - what would be to hand on a plane? What could be used to batter or prise the door open? I don't even think they have heavy duty fire extinguishers. It's making me sick thinking of those minutes.

Planes glide too, I've flown a small plane and pushing the yoke to make it descend took a decent amount of force, no way was it accidental.

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Yeah this made me angry, I do get the difference and why it's significant. My thing is that a lot of people have radical religious or political beliefs etc, but to actually go through with something like this takes a bit more than that. Nothing like this is truly done in the name of anything but insanity. I'm wondering how this guy would have flown under the radar(terrible pun) and seemed fit to work, if it turns out he wasn't trying to make a statement:-\

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Sadly, change his name and skin color to a certain ethnicity and chances are it would be Islamic terrorism

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People may say that yes but they wouldn't necessarily be right.

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No, not necessarily true but going by recent history the chance is not out of the realm of reason.