Will Floyd Mayweather Come Out Throwing Bombs to Shock Everyone?

Been thinking about this reverse-psychology thing with the fight lately, and after watching Floyd spar on that clip, I got the feeling he will come out throwing bombs, he hasnt had a knockout in so long and certain people are all thinking he will stink the place out with all his running and etc., that he may run even more now that he's in with a deadly puncher with great speed, but I think he may do the opposite here and shock everyone, he was throwing some really hard right hands in that clip, hard power shots, really sitting down a bit more than usual on his punches, I think he needs to get Manny's respect in the first 2 minutes of the 1st Round by landing a nice big right hand. Can you imagine Floyd knocking out Manny with power shots toe-to-toe? It would blow everyone's mind.

a bit like the Muhammad Ali strategy against George Foreman--- who expected Ali to throw wicked right hand leads from the opening bell, snapping Foreman's head back and putting in some early physical and psychological damage to the Big Punching Foreman? Winning the Psychological War?
Will Pac/Floyd be like Ali/Foreman?

Everyone thinks that Manny is some big KO artist and Floyd is the light puncher...but Manny hasn't had a KO since 2009 and Floyd's last KO was in 2011.

(...and I'm sure it's no coincidence that Manny seems to have lost all his KO power since drug testing has become de rigueur.)

As much as I hope you're right because it would make for a better fight to watch while it lasted, the biggest strength Floyd has is his discipline and Boxing Brain. He's definitely "if it ain't broke , don't fix it" in recent years. Floyd will bide his time and pick Manny off bit by bit and in the second half of the fight he will dominate. He won't need to take too many risks and would be more than happy with a long points win.
I have to say though that I do think Floyd's power is underrated (as is his chin) and he is capable of KO'ing Manny.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Everyone thinks that Manny is some big KO artist and Floyd is the light puncher...but Manny hasn't had a KO since 2009 and Floyd's last KO was in 2011.

(...and I'm sure it's no coincidence that Manny seems to have lost all his KO power since drug testing has become de rigueur.)

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Ortiz fight should not count and therefore Floyd's last knockout is even further away.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Everyone thinks that Manny is some big KO artist and Floyd is the light puncher...but Manny hasn't had a KO since 2009 and Floyd's last KO was in 2011.

(...and I'm sure it's no coincidence that Manny seems to have lost all his KO power since drug testing has become de rigueur.)

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Ortiz fight should not count and therefore Floyd's last knockout is even further away.

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true. Ortiz KO was a crock of camel shit. floyd was so mad at the cut lip from the goat head butt then the kissing and tonguing gay bullshit that he just said FUCK IT and clocked his lil' ass, cold-cocked him. It was understandable after that headbutting bullshit.
woulda been funny to give Ortiz 5 minutes to recover and take a point from Floyd, and let the damn fight go on, it was getting good.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Been thinking about this reverse-psychology thing with the fight lately, and after watching Floyd spar on that clip, I got the feeling he will come out throwing bombs, he hasnt had a knockout in so long and certain people are all thinking he will stink the place out with all his running and etc., that he may run even more now that he's in with a deadly puncher with great speed, but I think he may do the opposite here and shock everyone, he was throwing some really hard right hands in that clip, hard power shots, really sitting down a bit more than usual on his punches, I think he needs to get Manny's respect in the first 2 minutes of the 1st Round by landing a nice big right hand. Can you imagine Floyd knocking out Manny with power shots toe-to-toe? It would blow everyone's mind.

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Isn't that exact the way floyd wants everyone to think?

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Been thinking about this reverse-psychology thing with the fight lately, and after watching Floyd spar on that clip, I got the feeling he will come out throwing bombs, he hasnt had a knockout in so long and certain people are all thinking he will stink the place out with all his running and etc., that he may run even more now that he's in with a deadly puncher with great speed, but I think he may do the opposite here and shock everyone, he was throwing some really hard right hands in that clip, hard power shots, really sitting down a bit more than usual on his punches, I think he needs to get Manny's respect in the first 2 minutes of the 1st Round by landing a nice big right hand. Can you imagine Floyd knocking out Manny with power shots toe-to-toe? It would blow everyone's mind.

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Isn't that exact the way floyd wants everyone to think?

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not sure.....maybe he wants us to think he will outbox easily and outspeed easily and out-dance easily......then suddenly come out with heavy guns both barrels blazing, heavy shots to shock the Filipino and the world,

floyd wont come out throwing bombs

more than ever in this fight he needs to be safety first

it will be a shit fight unless manny lands a big punch

which probably wont happen because (as other people have mentioned) manny doesnt seem to have that massive punch anymore

so true that manny doesn't seem to have that massive punch anymore all juiced up maybe? In the past? All I know is that manny can still sock it to him and Manny still has a nice pop in his shots. Floyd has never had the type of chin in my opini that could withstand more than one shot from a guy like Moseley or Pacquiao. If mosley had been in his prime he would have knocked Mayweather out in the second round. Pacquiao is still close enough to his prime to get the job done.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

so true that manny doesn't seem to have that massive punch anymore all juiced up maybe? In the past? All I know is that manny can still sock it to him and Manny still has a nice pop in his shots. Floyd has never had the type of chin in my opini that could withstand more than one shot from a guy like Moseley or Pacquiao. If mosley had been in his prime he would have knocked Mayweather out in the second round. Pacquiao is still close enough to his prime to get the job done.

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i really hope so but i really doubt it

Floyd will be more aggressive because he has no choice. He needs to get Pac's respect and make him realize that he can hurt him, which he will do. Floyd and Pac are both lightning fast, but the difference is Floyd is always technically sound and defensively aware. I don't think most people realize exactly how much of a skill advantage Floyd has over him. Pac has a TON of bad habits that he gets away with when he's fighting the typical slower, one dimensional fighters.

When Pac is going to throw his 1-2, he drops his left hand as he's jabbing (it got him KTFO vs JMM). Guess who LOVES to counter jabs with lightning fast straight rights? Pac will throw a combination and drop his hands and admire his work. No problem against guys like Rios and Margarito. Guess who has the best counter punching and timing in the business?

IMO it's going to be the straight right and a big focus on body punching by Floyd. PBF is going to counter the fuck out of him and bang him hard to the body, and IMO he's going to stop Pac. People keep focusing on the troubles that Pac presents to Floyd. He's a big challenge, but people are forgetting the troubles Floyd presents a guy like Pac. Manny is going to get hit from angles he's never been hit from, he's going to get countered doing shit that he has always been safe doing, and people are going to be surprised when Floyd get tagged hard and doesn't go anywhere, doesn't fold up like people think he will and instead fires back and gets the better of the exchanges.

Floyd might get desperate, but I doubt it will be early on. Once he sees how tricky and quick Manny is, he is going to be covering up and relying on power. In a funny way, I can see it being a bit like Pac/Bradley 2. Floyd cannot keep up with the work rate or the combinations and so he is going to have to lay something big down the middle. Floyd doesn't hit hard, so I don't think he can keep Manny off. There is every chance Manny will destroy Floyd and everyone will be in shock. Floyd was only squeaking by Cotto and DLH and Hatton years ago and Manny destroyed these guys. Floyd is in for a hard days night.

i hope so

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Floyd might get desperate, but I doubt it will be early on. Once he sees how tricky and quick Manny is, he is going to be covering up and relying on power. In a funny way, I can see it being a bit like Pac/Bradley 2. Floyd cannot keep up with the work rate or the combinations and so he is going to have to lay something big down the middle. Floyd doesn't hit hard, so I don't think he can keep Manny off. There is every chance Manny will destroy Floyd and everyone will be in shock. Floyd was only squeaking by Cotto and DLH and Hatton years ago and Manny destroyed these guys. Floyd is in for a hard days night.

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If you think Floyd squeaked by those guy you don't get what he does. He was incompete control every minute of every one of those fights. I suspect you're being sarcastic though.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Floyd was only squeaking by Cotto and DLH and Hatton years ago and Manny destroyed these guys. Floyd is in for a hard days night.

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Shouldn't we also compare how each man did against JMM, then? ;D

foo-foo Foo-Loid gets cold-cocked by the Pilipino Cock-Duster, he will dust his cock.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Floyd might get desperate, but I doubt it will be early on. Once he sees how tricky and quick Manny is, he is going to be covering up and relying on power. In a funny way, I can see it being a bit like Pac/Bradley 2. Floyd cannot keep up with the work rate or the combinations and so he is going to have to lay something big down the middle. Floyd doesn't hit hard, so I don't think he can keep Manny off. There is every chance Manny will destroy Floyd and everyone will be in shock. Floyd was only squeaking by Cotto and DLH and Hatton years ago and Manny destroyed these guys. Floyd is in for a hard days night.

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If you think Floyd squeaked by those guy you don't get what he does. He was incompete control every minute of every one of those fights. I suspect you're being sarcastic though.

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he wasnt in complete control against DLH

it was a close fight, he was behind until the championship rounds

CompuBox Punch Stats
Total Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 122__________ 207
_____Thrown 587 __________481
________Pct. 21%_________ 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 82___________ 138
____Thrown 341__________ 241
_______Pct. 24%__________ 57%

I never thought DLH/Mayweather was nearly as close as most people. Floyd controlled the fight for the most part, and DLH really couldn't do anything of substance. He got Floyd on the ropes and shoe-shinned him with some quick slapping punches (most of which didn't land), and Jim Lampley and the crowd would go nuts and people thought he was scoring with real punches... he wasn't.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

CompuBox Punch Stats
Total Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
Landed 122 207
Thrown 587 481
Pct. 21% 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
Landed 82 138
Thrown 341 241
Pct. 24% 57%

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Yup, and to be honest I don't believe De La Hoya hit Floyd 122 times. I think he got credit for a ton of blocked punches.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

CompuBox Punch Stats
Total Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
Landed 122 207
Thrown 587 481
Pct. 21% 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
Landed 82 138
Thrown 341 241
Pct. 24% 57%

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Yup, and to be honest I don't believe De La Hoya hit Floyd 122 times. I think he got credit for a ton of blocked punches.

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Can one amass a 57% to 24% power punch spread over the championship rounds?

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

Floyd might get desperate, but I doubt it will be early on. Once he sees how tricky and quick Manny is, he is going to be covering up and relying on power. In a funny way, I can see it being a bit like Pac/Bradley 2. Floyd cannot keep up with the work rate or the combinations and so he is going to have to lay something big down the middle. Floyd doesn't hit hard, so I don't think he can keep Manny off. There is every chance Manny will destroy Floyd and everyone will be in shock. Floyd was only squeaking by Cotto and DLH and Hatton years ago and Manny destroyed these guys. Floyd is in for a hard days night.

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If you think Floyd squeaked by those guy you don't get what he does. He was incompete control every minute of every one of those fights. I suspect you're being sarcastic though.

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Hate to gang up on Gandalf, but you are right.
Gandalf, sarcastic? I don't think so. Lol

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

CompuBox Punch Stats
Total Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 122__________ 207
_____Thrown 587 __________481
________Pct. 21%_________ 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 82___________ 138
____Thrown 341__________ 241
_______Pct. 24%__________ 57%

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those stats make it look one sided, where did you get your information from?

when i watched it i thought it was close

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Originally Posted by erics44

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

CompuBox Punch Stats
Total Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 122__________ 207
_____Thrown 587 __________481
________Pct. 21%_________ 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 82___________ 138
____Thrown 341__________ 241
_______Pct. 24%__________ 57%

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those stats make it look one sided, where did you get your information from?

when i watched it i thought it was close

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Stats are a load of rubbish at times.

From the muscle work Floyds purportedly doing, my guess is he would be following the Marquez IV blueprint.

He's already bigger at the weight and naturally faster as a counter puncher than marquez so I can see him willing to let manny punch, tie him up and muscle him around the ring and settle him down. Then I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to work defensively on counter punching but when manny steps out, I'd look for floyd to follow him out try to land the Marquez fight hand that dropped Manny twice and take his confidence early. If a puzzles been solved for you, you could look to do it better... even if it only means doing it faster.

The stats are Compubox stats as listed on Boxrec.

I really doubt that would happen. Floyd tried to do just that with Maidana and got into some trouble and so on the second fight, he went into his usual defensive shell again and easily beat him. I bet that's what he will try to do again.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Everyone thinks that Manny is some big KO artist and Floyd is the light puncher...but Manny hasn't had a KO since 2009 and Floyd's last KO was in 2011.

(...and I'm sure it's no coincidence that Manny seems to have lost all his KO power since drug testing has become de rigueur.)

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Ortiz fight should not count and therefore Floyd's last knockout is even further away.

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true. Ortiz KO was a crock of camel shit. floyd was so mad at the cut lip from the goat head butt then the kissing and tonguing gay bullshit that he just said FUCK IT and clocked his lil' ass, cold-cocked him. It was understandable after that headbutting bullshit.
woulda been funny to give Ortiz 5 minutes to recover and take a point from Floyd, and let the damn fight go on, it was getting good.

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At least that shows that Floyd does have a KO power. I've always thought his power is greatly underrated...

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Been thinking about this reverse-psychology thing with the fight lately, and after watching Floyd spar on that clip, I got the feeling he will come out throwing bombs, he hasnt had a knockout in so long and certain people are all thinking he will stink the place out with all his running and etc., that he may run even more now that he's in with a deadly puncher with great speed, but I think he may do the opposite here and shock everyone, he was throwing some really hard right hands in that clip, hard power shots, really sitting down a bit more than usual on his punches, I think he needs to get Manny's respect in the first 2 minutes of the 1st Round by landing a nice big right hand. Can you imagine Floyd knocking out Manny with power shots toe-to-toe? It would blow everyone's mind.

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I don't see him going toe to toe because that would be stupid with Pac's punch power and combo speed, but I do think he will sit down on his shots alot more in this fight to try and prove a point by putting some hurt on Pacquiao.

TBH the more I study the two guys the more I see either guy winning this fight but I lean towards Floyd's skill and IQ to punish pac for things he usually gets away with and taking a UD.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

CompuBox Punch Stats
Total Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 122__________ 207
_____Thrown 587 __________481
________Pct. 21%_________ 43%
Power Punches De La Hoya Mayweather
_____Landed 82___________ 138
____Thrown 341__________ 241
_______Pct. 24%__________ 57%

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those stats make it look one sided, where did you get your information from?

when i watched it i thought it was close

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It's not that hard to count punches if you do it under slo-mo. But hardly anyone really does that; I've gotta feeling they just don't want to know the truth.;D

Rios was laughing at pacs punches throughout the whole fight.

Moseley said that pac does not hit as hard as floyd.

This is not a "who hits the hardest fight".

This is about a speedy powerful southpaw by the name of manny pac who CAN overwhelm fighters with his movement, power and persistence.

We can argue that he beat a past it hatton and a weight drained cotto or a post Moseley margarito but these fighters would still have been an issue at that time for anyone else in the welterweight divison.

As the fight get closer it is still very evident that manny is the best opponent for floyd at this time and with speed and movement he will cause floyd trouble.

The problem is that floyd will be super sharp in this fight and those clustering manny punches are waiting to be countered.

The real problem that manny has is that he has been too loyal to Freddie roach and another trainer could have shown/taught another side of manny that would correct his faults and be a much more complete fighter than the one we see today.

Remember, floyd has the mind frame of a winner and the adjustments he can make are truly amazing.

Manny has 5 losses and a draw against a guy he put down 3 times in the first round!

Get ready for the cramps excuse around the 6-7th round and manny fighting for the last minute of each round like he did against an injured bradley.

This might sound harsh but we could be looking at manny doing a "no mas" around the 9th round after the constant pot shotting and countering that leaves him in an embarrassed cramped daze.

I agree with most of the above thread but I think I have to completely disagree with the comment about Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley recently gave an interview I think it was in January or February of 2015 in which he said that nobody hit as hard as Pacquiao. I heard him clearly say that when Pacquiao floor him that he was stunned by the pop that was in that shot and that he couldn't believe a small guy like pakiao could generate that kind of punch. Mosley was very clear that pac was the hardest he had ever been hit. In fact he didn't even mention floyd punching power. & I know why. Cuz Floyd Mayweather hit's like a f****** mosquito.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

I agree with most of the above thread but I think I have to completely disagree with the comment about Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley recently gave an interview I think it was in January or February of 2015 in which he said that nobody hit as hard as Pacquiao. I heard him clearly say that when Pacquiao floor him that he was stunned by the pop that was in that shot and that he couldn't believe a small guy like pakiao could generate that kind of punch. Mosley was very clear that pac was the hardest he had ever been hit. In fact he didn't even mention floyd punching power. & I know why. Cuz Floyd Mayweather hit's like a f****** mosquito.

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The Mosquito is the most dangerous killer on earth.

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I agree with most of the above thread but I think I have to completely disagree with the comment about Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley recently gave an interview I think it was in January or February of 2015 in which he said that nobody hit as hard as Pacquiao. I heard him clearly say that when Pacquiao floor him that he was stunned by the pop that was in that shot and that he couldn't believe a small guy like pakiao could generate that kind of punch. Mosley was very clear that pac was the hardest he had ever been hit. In fact he didn't even mention floyd punching power. & I know why. Cuz Floyd Mayweather hit's like a f****** mosquito.

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The Mosquito is the most dangerous killer on earth.

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yes he will spread his disease

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Floyd might get desperate, but I doubt it will be early on. Once he sees how tricky and quick Manny is, he is going to be covering up and relying on power. In a funny way, I can see it being a bit like Pac/Bradley 2. Floyd cannot keep up with the work rate or the combinations and so he is going to have to lay something big down the middle. Floyd doesn't hit hard, so I don't think he can keep Manny off. There is every chance Manny will destroy Floyd and everyone will be in shock. Floyd was only squeaking by Cotto and DLH and Hatton years ago and Manny destroyed these guys. Floyd is in for a hard days night.

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If you think Floyd squeaked by those guy you don't get what he does. He was incompete control every minute of every one of those fights. I suspect you're being sarcastic though.

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Hate to gang up on Gandalf, but you are right.
Gandalf, sarcastic? I don't think so. Lol

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I can be very sarcastic, but no I wasnt being so here. Floyd loses a lot of rounds against people far more limited than Manny. Manny wont gas, Manny wont shoeshine, Manny will apply it until Mayweather can take it no more. Manny crushes all common opponents except Marquez. Marquez was fat against a weight cheat Floyd. Those Pac odds are fantastic and boxing fans should cash in. In an age of central bank criminality Manny is the only value investment out there.

Pac KO 5

Maquez was looking due for a stoppage at the time of his own Pac stoppage too. Pac isn't stopping opponents easily, but he is making them either do a Clottey or else he is shredding orbital bones or bending them all over the ring twisting ankles. He's doing something to these guys and they aren't winning many rounds against him. Floyd lost loads of rounds against.....Maidana alone.

To put it bluntly:http://www.16hertz.com/wp-content/up...grumpy-cat.jpg
FLoyd will do the very same thing he'S always done: try to win doing the minimum possible and winning rounds one punch at the time. He will try, though. Personally, I also think that Manny has all the tools to beat him with speed, movement and a nonstop flurry of punches. Won't saying he will but I really think that he can. Floyd did slow down a LOT and got punched by stuff he would normally have avoided against Maidana, Cotto et cie.

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On a second thought Floyd might actually attempt to do just that. He might be thinking that Manny will come charging in as he usual does and the only way to counter that is to go for a KO. I'm not sure if that is a good idea for him but I can say that his power is pretty under-rated. I've been thinking that Floyd would instead be running and countering, which is a legitimate strategy, though people might not like it. I still think this is the better strategy for him, run-n-hit.