How can you privatise every service and yet not privatise a monarchy?

This is something that has never made any sense to me, but how can you privatise healthcare, public transport, necessities like water and yet the privatisation of an archaic and despicable money grabbing 8 billion pounds worth of property owning bunch of inbreds is never up for discussion? In fact the head of the inbred herd meets up weekly with the Prime Minister who continues to privatise everything. Could it in fact be because the horrible old witch isn't as impotent as the propaganda system makes out? Isn't she just a treasonous hag. Who does more? A nurse or a monarch? Be off with them all. Also interesting to see that the horrid old crone employs people on zero hour contracts. Russell Brand suggests she be put on a zero hours contract, but that isn't going far enough IMO. As far as I am concerned she is as treasonous as Tony Blair and should be in prison for her crimes.

My poll of the week is this, which of the following should be privatised? Public transport, water, mail, prisons, schools, or monarchy?

What is the consensus of the Monarchy in England. Do the people still want it. They seem to be enthralled by it.

They have these periodic polls and people trot out the same corny 'But they make us money' line, but it is all hollow. Where is the referendum? They don't even let it up for discussion let alone allow people the chance to make up their own minds. It's another reason the coming election is a joke, the election is all but decided bar a few dozen seats. It's a set up. Now obviously I despise the Queen and her peculiar offspring and their odd choice of playmates, but ignoring all that, how can you privatise water before privatising a family that has 8 billion pounds of property already? On any moral level how can that ever be justified? Right now they are privatising the NHS, yet no mention of ever curtailing the monarchy or taking their ill gotten property gains. They get yearly pay rises and nurses simply don't. Again, on any moral level, how can that be justified? A nurse saves lives, whilst a monarch signs off on illegal wars. That just isn't right.

Well, being an American I can't make a sound judgement on it. I don't know how the same thing works, but if Tony Blair liked the, they can't be all that bad.

Tony Blair loves working for tyrants and the banks. On that basis he was born to serve monarchs. Here is Russell Brand's latest video, and I have to say, I think Brand is splendid these days. It is almost as though he has taken my ideas, vitriol and madness from several years ago and made it all palatable to the masses with a wonderfully cohesive set of factual points and observations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJR0Lo62HZw

Cameron is a funny old bean he said that he did not beleive the NHS should be privatised but did want to open it up to non-profit making organisations. Prison, probation, post, trains, gas/electric have been sold off with the Tories. They would never dare touch the monarchy.

No, he is an evil, despicable man. This is a man who laughs at paedophilia and yet rises when he meets the Queen who has offspring that hang out with paedo's. Yes, I will hammer it home that the British elite are into Paedophilia, until they do something about it.

North Korea? Pfft! Britain! ;D

Don't live there but I voted for Prisons. Hey- those who do it in America make a Gr8 living.

If they do like U.S.A : taxpayers would have to pay for any empty beds should crime rates fall below that quota.


Private Corporations world wide- are following the American trend which is: striking deals with states that contain clauses guaranteeing high prison occupancy rates.

Check out/google The report, “Criminal: How Lockup Quotas and ‘Low-Crime Taxes’ Guarantee Profits for Private Prison Corporations,”


It documents the contracts of private prison companies who hold state governments to guarantee prison occupancy rates (AKA a fucking quota) to be met or..

or force taxpayers to pay for empty beds if the prison population decreases

If they go like America- whom had 48 state governors in 2012 whom utilizes Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), Thisone company buys up & operate public state prisons. for like 10-20 year contract.
Those who don't play ball there way? Then they send something called lobbyist to washington to (lobby) for it. Or they will fund politicians outright who then turn around & claim government is to fucked up to run a prison. So let a private company do it.

Last- I am not sure if CCA is the old Wackenhut. Wackenhut got tired of being questioned about how they got rich off of people going to jail-so they changed their name.

Whats the old saying? Crime pays or Crime doesnt pay? Crime pays prison builders...well. Very Well.

Prisons are privatised here and they have poor conditions and a lot of drug problems.

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Prisons are privatised here and they have poor conditions and a lot of drug problems.

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Different nation, same doo-doo.

We privatized energy and what happened , my gas bill used to be about £120 a quarter to £360 a
quarter , same with electric bill.
Remember if profit comes into delivering ANY PUBLIC service, corners are cut in the name of profit
large wage bills for CEO, the public are ripped off.;)

The Horse Face Long Tooth Queen is a Human Cess Pool who deserves to be DRAWN AND QUARTERED.

While I don't think the monarchy could be privatised, due to the difficulty in monetizing it without taking money from the public purse, I'm sure we could liquidate the estates for a pound or two.

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We privatized energy and what happened , my gas bill used to be about £120 a quarter to £360 a
quarter , same with electric bill.
Remember if profit comes into delivering ANY PUBLIC service, corners are cut in the name of profit
large wage bills for CEO, the public are ripped off.;)

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I take your point, Dia, especially regarding huge profits and overpaid executives ....... But nationalised services are usually pretty crap, run by pen pushers and auditors, with staff who don't have to work hard because the unions are too strong and there is little in the way of performance management culture (I admit that these are huge generalisations too)

Governments are crap at actually running things, and local authorities are even worse. Your energy bill may have gone up, but that doesn't mean that it's more expensive, the nationalised companies were just gobbling up public money below the radar.

Just to b controversial, our NHS service is not generally good when you consider what it costs, and in the long term is genuinely unsustainable.

X I agree that we should not have a state monopoly but we get back these public services sold off and bring them into organisations that are non-profit making and have ethics. This is similar to housing associations which were set up and compete for business. They bid for the work and winning on cost and quality of service.Any surplus made is reinvested back into the organisation.

It is the best way forward.

Regarding NHS, it is a victim of its own success. People are living longer because it provides a good service and stops people dying. We should be proud of that and not criticise it. I believe the same thing should happen to NHS and open it to voluntary organisations who can provide more cost effective way to provide the services.

Its just a Tory myth that the state is useless at providing key services. Our water and energy are as good as can be, cost very little each month and are state run. Furthermore, the monarchy was rid off a long time ago. In order to progress you have to discard a justification for inequality such as monarchy and realise that we all have a basic right to water and energy. In the Uk all these things are about fat cats and shareholders. They deserve no say in essentials. There is no justification for it and you are not getting a better service. Its only by comparing systems that you see the lies peddled via the UK media. No council housing? Just filling in fat cat profits too. It is feudalism.

No, I worked for a major top tier contractor for over 14 years, working for (amongst others) British Rail (then Railtrack then Network Rail), National Grid, the Highways Agency, Beitish Nuclear Fuels, MEB, Manweb etc ....... And they really were genuinely shit, wasteful and ineffective.

The problem with the current outsourcing is that they have only moved from a total state monopoly to a very very small number of companies doing the work. That breeds cartel behaviour and they become as bad as the monopoly itself.

I'm being just as critical of the monopsony 'private sector' companies who have cornered their markets with enormous barriers to entry and who don't really have to compete.

I also agree that the NHS was a wonderful, humane invention. At the time. But I don't buy into the almost holy awe that it and the people who work in it are held, especially during this election. Ove any organisation becomes untouchable, it does not feel the need to improve, to change and to become more effective and efficient. But like the Church really!

There is nothing shit about government involvement in key utilities imo. You cannot have a freemarket in these areas and so it is better that the government runs them in the interests of the people. There is nothing shit about water for a fiver a month. Water run for German pension funds and shareowners is very shit and a rip off. It should be run in the interests of people who cannot live without it and them alone. Everybody.

The NHS was fine until mass immigration, chronic non investment and bankrupting PFI's. On its own terms the NHS is a beautiful thing.

I know that is one of my contradictions. I want small government when it comes to tools of oppression like monarchy, police and the war machine. But when it comes to things like providing water and health and things like that I can only envisage a government role. You were right elsewhere X. I do have that push and pull when it comes to wanting to do the right thing. It's an uneasy balancing act.

anarchy is the only natural order of things. the desire to accommodate the lowest common denominators has only brought about much strife and inequality

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anarchy is the only natural order of things. the desire to accommodate the lowest common denominators has only brought about much strife and inequality

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That is illogical.

It is sad that Germany own some of our trains, hike up the prices so that it subsidises their travel in Germany. We are royally screwed.

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Tony Blair loves working for tyrants and the banks. On that basis he was born to serve monarchs. Here is Russell Brand's latest video, and I have to say, I think Brand is splendid these days. It is almost as though he has taken my ideas, vitriol and madness from several years ago and made it all palatable to the masses with a wonderfully cohesive set of factual points and observations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJR0Lo62HZw

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The only thing funny about Brand is he claims to be a comedian.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

anarchy is the only natural order of things. the desire to accommodate the lowest common denominators has only brought about much strife and inequality

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That is illogical.

It is sad that Germany own some of our trains, hike up the prices so that it subsidises their travel in Germany. We are royally screwed.

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@Master you couldn't even be bothered to put down your mop as you were swabbing the deck, and show up to Brits pop out of the birthday cake party on the top deck on the starboard side Of bill Paxton's private yacht. you are the only an anarchist aboard this ship you hypocrite @Bill Paxtom

Network Rail are fucking useless and full of shit.

There is a sign on the platform at my local station saying you shouldn't stand near the edge, or you will get sucked off.

Five hours I stood there for :(

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Network Rail are fucking useless and full of shit.

There is a sign on the platform at my local station saying you shouldn't stand near the edge, or you will get sucked off.

Five hours I stood there for :(

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You worked for them in the past so you knew they were incompetent and not trustworthy they could not even get that right. :)

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Prisons are privatised here and they have poor conditions and a lot of drug problems.

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Oh quit being such a bleeding heart liberal

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Prisons are privatised here and they have poor conditions and a lot of drug problems.

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Oh quit being such a bleeding heart liberal

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Quit being a right wing moron.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by Master

Prisons are privatised here and they have poor conditions and a lot of drug problems.

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Oh quit being such a bleeding heart liberal

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Quit being a right wing moron.

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Just tell me if Gamo is really Bill Paxton or finny to El dinamita that's all we really want to know

Yes, I agree with Royal Family should be sold off.

I can imagine the Saudi's or the Qatari's buying them.