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But I think that you give up some of your offence after pointing the left hip towards the opponent.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
No, you don't.
Fuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Not if you judge distance properly; off your right foot. Plus, you get a full body turn on the punch and you can hide the punch behind your left shoulder until the very end.
That's as bad as going back out.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
What?
Full body turn is the same as throwing a punch across the body leaving the ribs to be broken. The body is wide open we you throw across the body punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
It is nothing at all like punching across the body. A full body turn on a right hand and punching across the body with a right are nearly mutually exclusive.
That's as bad as falling backwards unto the right leg!Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Neither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Why aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Already was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
That is a long punch... Leaving the body wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsAlready was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Any time the elbow leaves the body there's an opening. If you throw the punch right, there's no difference in the opening, but there is a difference in the target presented and the recovery, not to mention the punch being twice as hard. You thinking that offense gets limited by the stance just means you haven't been taught it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiThat is a long punch... Leaving the body wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsAlready was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Full body turn is almost as bad as spinning.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jmsAny time the elbow leaves the body there's an opening. If you throw the punch right, there's no difference in the opening, but there is a difference in the target presented and the recovery, not to mention the punch being twice as hard. You thinking that offense gets limited by the stance just means you haven't been taught it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiThat is a long punch... Leaving the body wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsAlready was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
How do you throw a punch then?
Oh. You're trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFull body turn is almost as bad as spinning.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jmsAny time the elbow leaves the body there's an opening. If you throw the punch right, there's no difference in the opening, but there is a difference in the target presented and the recovery, not to mention the punch being twice as hard. You thinking that offense gets limited by the stance just means you haven't been taught it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiThat is a long punch... Leaving the body wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsAlready was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
I'm having a conversation with grey... Somewhat. who you are and how you fit into our conversation I have no idea. But I'll tell I won't be on this board with you on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsOh. You're trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFull body turn is almost as bad as spinning.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jmsAny time the elbow leaves the body there's an opening. If you throw the punch right, there's no difference in the opening, but there is a difference in the target presented and the recovery, not to mention the punch being twice as hard. You thinking that offense gets limited by the stance just means you haven't been taught it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiThat is a long punch... Leaving the body wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsAlready was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Alright, go ahead and answer his question. If a full body turn is as bad as spinning, how do you throw a punch then?Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiI'm having a conversation with grey... Somewhat. who you are and how you fit into our conversation I have no idea. But I'll tell I won't be on this board with you on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsOh. You're trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFull body turn is almost as bad as spinning.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jmsAny time the elbow leaves the body there's an opening. If you throw the punch right, there's no difference in the opening, but there is a difference in the target presented and the recovery, not to mention the punch being twice as hard. You thinking that offense gets limited by the stance just means you haven't been taught it properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiThat is a long punch... Leaving the body wide open.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsAlready was explained to you, but you rejected the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiWhy aren't they true?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmsNeither of those are true at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiFuck yah! It's hard to reach the opponent with that right hand, even worse you tire the shoulder out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Let us not forget,
That in Round 4, Bob Foster was trying to 'bait' the young Mike Quarry into leading,
so he would open up.
Bob was moving in, and baiting Mike, by lowering his left.
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This is the closest thing that I've seen in the gyms today how ever unlike Mike's side to side stance. The modern stance is to put the left foot in out in front of the right foot. This photo tutorial is priceless since it allows me to demonstrate visually.
Deontay wilder is an example of the modern day stance with small hip movement. http://cdn1.sbnation.com/assets/4143...ik_Scott_2.gif
The guy in that example turned all the way through that right hand.
Deontay has small hip movement! To protect himself against counters.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Small hip movement? He even points his left hip farther forward on the left hook so that he can get more turn into the right. At the end of the punch his hips are square and his left shoulder is behind his right. Plenty of rotation, what are you looking at?Quote:
Originally Posted by showmiDeontay has small hip movement! To protect himself against counters.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold