Are people excited for this? Feels like his 2 fights since he got a world title are below world title quality.
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Are people excited for this? Feels like his 2 fights since he got a world title are below world title quality.
I dont understand the question. He destroyed his mandatory after taking the title instead of fighting someone in the top 15 and then fighting Dan cause he had to. Nothing new there. Everybody does that.
Now he's fighting Gavin who was about to fight an eliminator but since he's in Eddies stable they decided to forgo that and have the fight. Gavins in the top 5. Eddie certainly is not the first promoter to double dip the chip. Honest Al is doing that now and Oscar and Bob made millions doing it. Gavins ranked #5 behind Khan and Bradley and nether of them want the fight. He wants to stay active and this fight puts more pressure on Khan domestically. I have no problems with this at all. The "big names" have joined a cricket colony.
Not blaming Brook. Just tired of all the reasons this guy doesn't want to fight that guy and that guy doesn't want to fight this guy. Everyone has a reason not to fight so many others.
Not to insult Gavin, but he isn't the 5th best welterweight in the world. I think we all know that.
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Its frustrating. All the top guys seem to avoid each other. Everybody not wanting to lose their chance and the Floyd/Manny lottery.
The Peterson v Garcia gig is hilarious. Neither one has even faced a mandatory in the allotted time and still pretend to be champions. Now they hook up at 143 with no titles on the line. Its pathetic.
I think that when Khan's people ducked the opportunity to fight Bradley in an eliminator, Gavin was next in line. However, because he's just fought a mandatory , he can take a voluntary so he can fight Gavin and make good money for a domestic scrap with far less risk.
My guess is that the fight after will probably be have to be Bradley , because Bradley had accepted the eliminator with Khan or Gavin , or a Marquez, Thurman, Khan (probably not Khan for a few reasons - Ramadan , head in the clouds , in line for Floyd/Manny, blah,blah,bullshit.)
They've used this fight to make the card a PPV.
Brook-Gavin
Micthell-Linares
Selby-Gradovich
Joshua-Kingpin
Well, dunno if it should be PPV, but 3 World Title fights on it , better than Bellew v Cleverley I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
It's an excellent card but it was so obvious they were gonna make it PPV. They basically canvassed opinion last week by mentioning Gavin as a possible Brook opponent.
To be frank - it's a shit fight. What chance has Gavin got? Even if he fiddled a win he'd probably not get it
With how fraudulent everything has become I'm not sure it wouldn't be better if the promoters separated completely. At least then fighters would be acknowledged as the Haymon WW champion of the World. And the Top Rank Vacant World Champions rather than being thought of as World Champions even though they aren't willing to take on the world.(not even speaking of Brook BTW) Thing is we blame the fighters but truth is they are just better advised about their money now. And it goes across all sports, look at Lebron and his ilk they all talk constantly about their brand. I think these fighters just think I can make the big fights on the tail end of my career(like Hopkins) but first I have to take care of my family. It's logical but it doesn't play well to fans. What's worse is if a fighter said so he would be vilified. But a fighter that lies to the public "I'm a warrior they're scared...." Is championed. It's so confused now fans believe half the people that chose to devote their lives to fight sports are cowards. That is so illogical it hurts the brain but that's how lied to and confused fans are.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Its frustrating. All the top guys seem to avoid each other. Everybody not wanting to lose their chance and the Floyd/Manny lottery.
The Peterson v Garcia gig is hilarious. Neither one has even faced a mandatory in the allotted time and still pretend to be champions. Now they hook up at 143 with no titles on the line. Its pathetic.
Brook v Gavin is a good domestic fight and keep Kell busy and still relevant. It will do for all concerned. There is a lot of posturing from the top welterweights but no one wants to take a chance.
No way is this ppv!
So many belts....so little time. How can something so meaningless mean so much to so many?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Because its been allowed to go this far and the fab 4 have survived with fringe belts popping up here and there, basic math has now taken over. If they did it right, can you imagine how long the waiting list would be for legitimate contenders??? It now feeds on itself and we will have about 10 billion in supply by about 2025.
But maybe something will come of this network stuff. I doubt it because the species has a shrinking attention span so the money will remain with smoke and mirrors. The ppv buying,wwf buying crowd has subscribed to mediocrity. The Peterson/Garcia thing is just unbelievable. Both those tadpoles discredit the sport and I used to like Lamont and his story. This catch-weight garbage is out of hand. Either add 5 divisions or dump about 8.
This is ppv! Joke. Why bother having a sky subscription?
The fights confirmed for 30 May at the O2 Arena include:
Kell Brook v Frankie Gavin
IBF welterweight title
Kevin Mitchell v Jorge Linares
WBC lightweight title
Lee Selby v Evgeny Gradovich
IBF featherweight title
Anthony Joshua MBE v Kevin Johnson
WBC International heavyweight title
John Ryder v Nick Blackwell
Vacant British middleweight title
Scotty Cardle v Craig Evans
Vacant British lightweight title
Dave Ryan v John Wayne Hibbert
Commonwealth light-welterweight title
This is exactly why it's been made. It is a domestic scrap that Matchroom are using to milk Gavin before the mirage evaporates completely. The whole 'fun time', missing the Olympics etc back story, has for me, always masked the fact that Frankie was never as good as everyone hyped him up to be. For those not familiar with that from overseas, it would appear a bit mystifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Still it would be a solid night of boxing with a few Brits in world title fights for us in Blighty were it not for the whole PPV charade. Master is right after paying for a subscription, charging again on top for this is a joke. Eddie can't even stop himself physically rubbing his hands together, so smug has he become. Don't get me wrong, Matchroom are essential for the British fight game, and them competing with Frank is great for fans. Everyone has to up their game. PPV though?
You are having a giraffe
Sky were desperate to make a ppv card this summer and now there's two in May alone.
Thought they'd leanrt their lesson after the bellew- cleverley fiasco
Hearn has failed to make Khan vs brook, degale vs froch, groves vs degale or quigg vs frampton so no big Wembley fight this year. Instead it's as if theyve said this'll have to do and given us a fight that nobody has asked for or wants to see
Ppv?! Adam smith made the decision to go with Hearn over any other promoter but the sooner the contract runs out the better cus it's gone stale and he isn't delivering the fights people wanna see.
True and if they are fights we want to see it is ppv. Jokers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Hearn is taking a lot of stick for this , and rightly so. But your first sentence says it all. Sky were desperate for a PPV , and I reckon they've put loads of pressure on Hearn to deliver. That's why Hearn is desperate to do Froch v Degale, that's why he's desperate to do Khan v Brook, and that's why he's desperate to make Quigg v Frampton. The thing is the rest of the promoters know this and that's why they're not playing ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
This is the problem with Sky putting all there eggs in one basket.
Sky suck.
Brook is already talking about Rios next. What the hell? Rios was an okay lightweight, at top 10 junior welter but he is a mediocre welter weight.
Shows how much of a threat they see Gavin which is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I really don't understand how Brook is being handled. It makes me wonder if they know of some major weakness they are trying to hide. He looks like he could challenge anyone but for years they put off a title challenge. They finally stepped up to the weakest champion and now they have regressed again. If a Rios fight happens I will become a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterShows how much of a threat they see Gavin which is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Boxing is about making money not gratifying a minority of nerds.
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Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI really don't understand how Brook is being handled. It makes me wonder if they know of some major weakness they are trying to hide. He looks like he could challenge anyone but for years they put off a title challenge. They finally stepped up to the weakest champion and now they have regressed again. If a Rios fight happens I will become a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterShows how much of a threat they see Gavin which is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Seems it won't take much then. Seriously where is the big line of people calling him out? Who would you like him to fight ? He fought away from home against a supposed monster nobody gave him a chance against, had his leg chopped up by a machete, and then came back and fought his mandatory at home, Who he destroyed. I don't rate Gavin much either but the IBF have him at 5. Manny and Floyd are busy. Thurman has not said a thing. Khan has turned down a career high payday.
Won't take much? He is scheduling soft before he is even in soft! He has fought one good fighter in his career. Thurman will fight him if he makes any effort to make a Thurman fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI really don't understand how Brook is being handled. It makes me wonder if they know of some major weakness they are trying to hide. He looks like he could challenge anyone but for years they put off a title challenge. They finally stepped up to the weakest champion and now they have regressed again. If a Rios fight happens I will become a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterShows how much of a threat they see Gavin which is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Seems it won't take much then. Seriously where is the big line of people calling him out? Who would you like him to fight ? He fought away from home against a supposed monster nobody gave him a chance against, had his leg chopped up by a machete, and then came back and fought his mandatory at home, Who he destroyed. I don't rate Gavin much either but the IBF have him at 5. Manny and Floyd are busy. Thurman has not said a thing. Khan has turned down a career high payday.
Brook is the real deal but as has been stated the other top fighters are tied up. Brooks would batter JMM or Rios but they are high profile fights for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWon't take much? He is scheduling soft before he is even in soft! He has fought one good fighter in his career. Thurman will fight him if he makes any effort to make a Thurman fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI really don't understand how Brook is being handled. It makes me wonder if they know of some major weakness they are trying to hide. He looks like he could challenge anyone but for years they put off a title challenge. They finally stepped up to the weakest champion and now they have regressed again. If a Rios fight happens I will become a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterShows how much of a threat they see Gavin which is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Seems it won't take much then. Seriously where is the big line of people calling him out? Who would you like him to fight ? He fought away from home against a supposed monster nobody gave him a chance against, had his leg chopped up by a machete, and then came back and fought his mandatory at home, Who he destroyed. I don't rate Gavin much either but the IBF have him at 5. Manny and Floyd are busy. Thurman has not said a thing. Khan has turned down a career high payday.
Cash grabs. JMM may never get in the ring again because his knee is so bad and Rios should never get in the ring again because he's been a punching bag for years. I want to see Brook challenge for being the best in the division. There are 10 fights better than Dan(mandatory so okay), 10 better than Gavin(same promotional outlet so understandable) and 10 better than Rios. Sorry but 3 fights into your reign and none are against a guy considered near the best in your division, that isn't right. It isn't set so fingers crossed it doesn't happen. Thurman would be available, Maidana would be available, hell Errol Spence would beat the dog snot out of Rios. Fight him, fight some live body.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBrook is the real deal but as has been stated the other top fighters are tied up. Brooks would batter JMM or Rios but they are high profile fights for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonWon't take much? He is scheduling soft before he is even in soft! He has fought one good fighter in his career. Thurman will fight him if he makes any effort to make a Thurman fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI really don't understand how Brook is being handled. It makes me wonder if they know of some major weakness they are trying to hide. He looks like he could challenge anyone but for years they put off a title challenge. They finally stepped up to the weakest champion and now they have regressed again. If a Rios fight happens I will become a hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterShows how much of a threat they see Gavin which is none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Seems it won't take much then. Seriously where is the big line of people calling him out? Who would you like him to fight ? He fought away from home against a supposed monster nobody gave him a chance against, had his leg chopped up by a machete, and then came back and fought his mandatory at home, Who he destroyed. I don't rate Gavin much either but the IBF have him at 5. Manny and Floyd are busy. Thurman has not said a thing. Khan has turned down a career high payday.
Brook v Thurman would be brilliant and the winner would put them in the strongest position to fight the winner Floyd v Pac Man. This fight is 50/50 both are strong, young and undefeated. I think Thurman's people may not want that.
Brook beats Maidana and everybody else.