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Knockdown in 3rd wasn't a knockdown, Chocolate Kid stood on his fookin foot.
I think if a guy misses weight, he should have a point taken away for every pound he comes in over the weight limit.
Andy Lee is the true champ he won the fight he was robbed ha ha ha!
Lee impressed me. He looked all over the place in the first round and then that bogus KD. He came back well and I think he wins the rematch. Quillin was worked out IMO.
You need glasses if you REALLY think Lee won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I think you're just trolling.
Neither would last 5 rounds with GGG.
I have not seen the fight and thought Quillin would win easy but reading the reports Quillin got knocked down in the 7th and Lee in 1st and 3rd. So it seemed a good fight.
Yes, it was a very good fight, Master. Lee looked gone in the first and was almost falling over again after getting up. He has a very fragile way about him sometimes, but he can crack, and that makes him very fun to watch. I think Quillin started great, but just ran out of ideas.
Al, GGG would likely beat Lee, but I would love to see if Lee can dent him first. Probably not, but maybe a fight to consider after a rematch here. That will likely keep Quillin and Lee busy for the rest of the year anyway, so GGG can maybe stack up another 4 wins against unknowns with nice looking records.
I like Golovkin, but he should be going for big fights at his age. He seems too happy just staying busy.
GGG unifying the division is no bad thing especially as he is closer to light middle than super middle.
GGG murks everyone at middlweight
Just seen the fight. How the fuck can 1 judge score the 1st round 10-9 lol and it was the same judge who scored the mayweather vs Canelo fight a draw, I thought they quit or got sacked after that score card ?
I think the judge scored the 3rd round 10-9, which they are allowed to do if they feel the guy who got knocked down fought his way back into the round.
It was a very good fight! Plenty of action and close rounds. I thought Lee was going to get steamrolled after the first round, but Andy (a genuine tough guy) fought himself back into the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
After Quillin went down in the 7th you could see a change in Lee and a shift in momentum. I'm not saying Quillin stopped fighting, slowed down, or anything like that. It just looked like Lee really started having fun after Quillin went down.
Good fight and a pleasure to watch. IMO
Hopefully I will see it but I really thought Andy Lee was a one hit wonder and was lucky to win the title and would lose it very soon. He has proved me wrong and staying with Quillin means he is a world class fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedIt was a very good fight! Plenty of action and close rounds. I thought Lee was going to get steamrolled after the first round, but Andy (a genuine tough guy) fought himself back into the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
After Quillin went down in the 7th you could see a change in Lee and a shift in momentum. I'm not saying Quillin stopped fighting, slowed down, or anything like that. It just looked like Lee really started having fun after Quillin went down.
Good fight and a pleasure to watch. IMO
not sure about that, IMO Lee reminds me of Gatti, and probably around that level honestly I don't think Quillin is all that good to begin withQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterHopefully I will see it but I really thought Andy Lee was a one hit wonder and was lucky to win the title and would lose it very soon. He has proved me wrong and staying with Quillin means he is a world class fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedIt was a very good fight! Plenty of action and close rounds. I thought Lee was going to get steamrolled after the first round, but Andy (a genuine tough guy) fought himself back into the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
After Quillin went down in the 7th you could see a change in Lee and a shift in momentum. I'm not saying Quillin stopped fighting, slowed down, or anything like that. It just looked like Lee really started having fun after Quillin went down.
Good fight and a pleasure to watch. IMO
Think a lot of people were of the same mind about Lee, I know I was. It just goes to show how good Steward was at spotting future winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHopefully I will see it but I really thought Andy Lee was a one hit wonder and was lucky to win the title and would lose it very soon. He has proved me wrong and staying with Quillin means he is a world class fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedIt was a very good fight! Plenty of action and close rounds. I thought Lee was going to get steamrolled after the first round, but Andy (a genuine tough guy) fought himself back into the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
After Quillin went down in the 7th you could see a change in Lee and a shift in momentum. I'm not saying Quillin stopped fighting, slowed down, or anything like that. It just looked like Lee really started having fun after Quillin went down.
Good fight and a pleasure to watch. IMO
One thing about both the co-mains that impressed and surprised me was the lack of foul language and trash talk. I know it was because they were on free tv in a great time slot, but I've noticed a change with Haymon cards and fighters. They seem to be reigning in the foul language and trash talk.
Haymon wants everyone to be able to watch boxing without hearing all that foul language, which will mean more viewers and more money. The reason could be simpler. I read Haymon holds his mother's opinion in high regard and that she disapproves of boxing, so maybe she got him by the ear one day and told him if he's going to be involved in boxing he's going to have to clean it up some. Lol. Probably not, but it would make a great story! Never doubt a mother's influence.
The draw was about right. Take away the bogus knockdown though and I thought Lee won
It was a good fight for one with such a poor punch output.
It was a close fight. A draw was definitely reasonable. Lee has for sure gotten better. I remember a few years back I thought he was a completely average fighter. He is now a pretty solid fighter. This is the best that I've ever seen him fight. I'm surprised that he could do so well. I thought that quillin was going to easily win. Lee definitely surprised me.
Lee didn't impress me as much as Quillen depressed me. Quillen is average now. I really felt he had "it"... now he is just another name, no title, a questionable draw on his record, and now he has lost all monetary value to him that he had built up prior to dodging Korobov.
That fight with Korobov started all of this. Lee has some grit... while Lee did not deserve to win out right, Quillen didn't deserve to win either. Especially when he came in overweight and dumped thee very same belt he was fighting for again with Lee, who won the title off of the guy Quillen was supposed to fight.
Get my drift??
Quillen's stock has gone down. Way down. He has to rematch Lee and knock him out. No question!
Master- this is (exactly) what happened:Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHopefully I will see it but I really thought Andy Lee was a one hit wonder and was lucky to win the title and would lose it very soon. He has proved me wrong and staying with Quillin means he is a world class fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedIt was a very good fight! Plenty of action and close rounds. I thought Lee was going to get steamrolled after the first round, but Andy (a genuine tough guy) fought himself back into the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
After Quillin went down in the 7th you could see a change in Lee and a shift in momentum. I'm not saying Quillin stopped fighting, slowed down, or anything like that. It just looked like Lee really started having fun after Quillin went down.
Good fight and a pleasure to watch. IMO
Lee didn't impress me as much as Quillen depressed me. Quillen is average now. I really felt he had "it"... now he is just another name, no title, a questionable draw on his record, and now he has lost all monetary value to him that he had built up prior to dodging Korobov.
That fight with Korobov started all of this. Lee has some grit... while Lee did not deserve to win out right, Quillen didn't deserve to win either. Especially when he came in overweight and dumped thee very same belt he was fighting for again with Lee, who won the title off of the guy Quillen was supposed to fight.
Get my drift??
Quillen had him- & had NO killer instinct- Interesting enough I was at my mom's home (yes) she watched it with me & said this: Why is that quillen kid letting him off the hook (because she heard Ray Leonard's voice commentating she replied) Sugar would've went for the kill..
Coming from a woman in her late 60's, Master...:-\
Quillen's stock has gone down. Way down. He has to rematch Lee and knock him out. No question! <<<-Ykdadamaja
I never felt he had it- Never spoke of him here or anywhere- But if he was matched right- I felt he could win a few bouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
draw was perfect. How much more did quillin weigh as compared to lee?
Nah..Quote:
Originally Posted by chris6878
Quillan won and you know it.;D
Haven't seen the Quillin-Lee fight BUT... I just can't go against the GGG argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by NamelessHaven't seen the Quillin-Lee fight BUT... I just can't go against the GGG argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Was a good fight and the draw was a fair decision. Neither would stand a chance against Golovkin at this point and most likely never will. I will always wonder why Lee didn't use his right jab more frequently. He started using it sparingly late in te fight and landed it almost at will. I think if he uses it more and earlier in the fight it breaks Quillin down and stops him late.
So everyone is in agreement MW is weak and nobody can challenge GGG. Yet many still want GGG to waste more years proving what we all already know and have known for 2 years. Mind numbing
Quillen had his chance to prove he was up there with him. Not a style of fights. Anyone who draws with Lee isn't top level. No offense to Lee, a good fighter, nowhere near great.
It's not just now. Middleweight has been thin on talent for a long long time. There was Roy and Bhop, then only Bhop for a long long time. Then JT came along as a brief but incandescent addition. Now there is GGG and journeymen. And Cotto who has absolutely no business at 160. So basically there is GGG and that's it. Andrade is probably the 2nd best middleweight and he isn't there and doesn't belong there. He's at 54 begging for anyone to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
You are right about the low output. One of the broadcast crew (can't remember who) said it was developing into a sharpshooting contest, and I remember thinking that's an accurate description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I really got sucked into the fight after Lee got up in the first. He was hurt bad and I started hoping he would last and maybe come back to win.
Lee put on a great performance, hell they both did, Quillin got up too, anyway it takes two to make a good fight when it goes the distance.
I don't think Boo boo has the chin for middleweight and as far as I know he has yet to step up. Be interesting to see him step up though, a year off is doing him no good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIt's not just now. Middleweight has been thin on talent for a long long time. There was Roy and Bhop, then only Bhop for a long long time. Then JT came along as a brief but incandescent addition. Now there is GGG and journeymen. And Cotto who has absolutely no business at 160. So basically there is GGG and that's it. Andrade is probably the 2nd best middleweight and he isn't there and doesn't belong there. He's at 54 begging for anyone to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
lee lost. he did good, but didnt throw enough/wasnt aggressive enough to get the victory. he should be happy he got the draw. he had quillins legs buckled twice and let him off the hook by not following up!!
a dumbass!!
Watching the fight now and neither throw enough punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
American boxing fans are retarded and have no clue what the sport is about. Choruses of boos throughout the Lee and Garcia fights. Absolute shocked what I was hearing.
I though Quillin did enough to win but draw was probably fair. Quillin needed to throw more punches. No doubt GGG flattens him.
GGG should just move up and take risks (like American fighters) for a change since he "flattens" everybody at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Everybody has to challenge themselves exept poor little GG.
Good thing for Lee the knock down happened at the end of the round....he was done for.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWatching the fight now and neither throw enough punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
No way did Lee deserve a draw.
Wouldnt disagree with ya he should probably move up. Dont like the fact all other MWs get a pass for ducking him just cz they are shit though. They are world champions arent they?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteGGG should just move up and take risks (like American fighters) for a change since he "flattens" everybody at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Everybody has to challenge themselves exept poor little GG.
Dude is fighting all the time...yet you claim he's being ducked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWouldnt disagree with ya he should probably move up. Dont like the fact all other MWs get a pass for ducking him just cz they are shit though. They are world champions arent they?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteGGG should just move up and take risks (like American fighters) for a change since he "flattens" everybody at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Everybody has to challenge themselves exept poor little GG.
Rigo can't get fights...he's actually getting ducked.
Andrade can't get fights...he's actually getting ducked.
The current MW division is the worst EVER.
Switch the names around in your post and it will sound just as true. That's where the draw came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Did Andrade not pull out of his fight with Charlo? Rigo is being ducked too.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteDude is fighting all the time...yet you claim he's being ducked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWouldnt disagree with ya he should probably move up. Dont like the fact all other MWs get a pass for ducking him just cz they are shit though. They are world champions arent they?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteGGG should just move up and take risks (like American fighters) for a change since he "flattens" everybody at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Everybody has to challenge themselves exept poor little GG.
Rigo can't get fights...he's actually getting ducked.
Andrade can't get fights...he's actually getting ducked.
The current MW division is the worst EVER.
Andrade and Charlo are pointing fingers at one another..who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeDid Andrade not pull out of his fight with Charlo? Rigo is being ducked too.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteDude is fighting all the time...yet you claim he's being ducked.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWouldnt disagree with ya he should probably move up. Dont like the fact all other MWs get a pass for ducking him just cz they are shit though. They are world champions arent they?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteGGG should just move up and take risks (like American fighters) for a change since he "flattens" everybody at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Everybody has to challenge themselves exept poor little GG.
Rigo can't get fights...he's actually getting ducked.
Andrade can't get fights...he's actually getting ducked.
The current MW division is the worst EVER.
One thing is for sure....Canelo wants no parts of him...nor does Lara
Andrade has a title and STILL can't get fights.
Cant see why Lara would duck Andrade and its hard to see Andrade really chasing a fight with Lara. Its another very shit division for me. Andrade, Lara, Charlo and Alvarez are all good fighters but outside that its muck. Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Molina and Martirosyan all top 10 fighters, LOL. Id say the 4 of them want to move to MW but avoid GGG the same way GGG dont want Ward at SMW.