Peterson vs Garcia - Thoughts

There doesn't seem to be a Garcia Peterson thread, considering how tough it was to score early on and how close it turned out.

I think Peterson should have got the nod because he did what he wanted, he moved when he wanted and stood he ground when he wanted. Garcia didn't have much success at all, he hit air and gloves for most of the fight and the only rounds he won were because Peterson threw the round away. Peterson really took control of the fight in the second half and put a beating on Garcia and bullied him. Garcia looked average and all the top guys at WW would beat him; Thurman, Brook, Khan, Bradley, Maidana, Porter and no need to mention Mayweather or Pacquiao. Never liked Garcia and still don't. Just showed me why he never calls anyone out and is happy just having stay busy fights because he's shit and would get knocked out against the top dogs of WW.
Peterson was in great shape and was having fun in there, I think he needs to be drug tested again. :p

Mind you I wasn't sober last night ;D so feel free to correct me.

Toughts?

Wish I could contribute, Manos de Piedra. But I was at the Martinez-Salido fight. Coincidentally, they had the Garcia-Peterson fight on a flat screen TV in the box I was in, just in case someone wanted to watch that one, I guess. I managed to catch a few scattered glimpses, but that was all. The live fight was too good and I was too busy yelling for Martinez to knock Salido out.

From what little I did see, however, Danny did look kind of lethargic. I guess I caught pieces of some of the later rounds. Personally, as someone else mentioned on another thread, I think Danny has regressed since the Lucas Matthysse fight. That was probably the high point of Danny's career thus far. The reason for the regression seems unclear... I'm not ready to concede that he's never been that good in the first place. But the fact of the matter is he's tarnished. He's gonna have to do some heavy introspection if he wants to continue scaling the heights toward "elite-dom". I would say it's just a case of "styles make fights", but the fact is Danny hasn't looked good in awhile now. It'll be interesting to see where he goes now.

I think if Peterson stopped pissing around and walked Garcia down earlier, he could have stopped him. Garcia looked tired and clueless towards the end. Garcia didn't win any real clear round whereas the rounds Peterson won were clear Peterson rounds. Gained some respect for Peterson, unless he gets caught on drugs again.Peterson didn't sit down between rounds either.

Another gift for Garcia thanks to Al Haymon. I scored it for Peterson even though I was trying to be nice to Garcia to cancel out my bias coz I don't like him.

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

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That is all well and good, Ron. But in the end, if you're not going to end a fight by knockout, then you're fighting to win the fight on the judges scorecards. What you as a fighter think you're doing is irrelevant, let's face it. At the end of the night, outcries be damned, it's the judges who put either the "W" or the "L" on your record.

I think Ykda makes a very good point about too many fighters singing their own tune, by dancing away more than half the fight, not throwing too many punches... and saving their real efforts till the last couple of rounds, sometimes coming out like the house is on fire in the 12th round. News flash: If you've waited 11 rounds wasting away precious time and them come out like gangbusters trying to win the fight in the last round..... you damn well deserve to lose.

Not defending Garcia or trashing Peterson, as like I said before, I was watching another fight. But what Ykda says happens all too often. It's like the person crashing countless times into the same brick wall before finally getting smart and going around the wall.

The problem is that in the early rounds, especially the first round, Peterson was making Garcia miss, but he wasn't making him pay. Simply dodging punches isn't enough to win rounds, you gotta counter too.

Peterson has to be one of my least favorite fighters but I cannot see at all how this was considered a close fight. Peterson simply did what he wanted and his jab was sticking and resetting Garcia very effectively in those early rounds. Garcia was left in lurches and he looked flat and confused trying to catch up, his right hand early on was coming from his hip and very slappy. He could not sustain any form of attack and showed no form of a second gear.

Lamont gave him a boxing lesson 1st half & a decent beating the 2nd 1/2. But as some have stated: some judges see aggression as a way to score- even though it should be effective aggression. Lamont's trainer knows this & should have turned the heat up by mid rounds-not after. They gave away the fight IMO.

in the old days you could actually win around by doing what Peterson did....defensive master piece from Peterson should have got the nod all night long

Job Biscuit (off on holiday now)!!!


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Garcia was swinging and missing. Lamont showed his blackness and had to much rhythm for Garcia. Garcia was the guy in the club holding up the wall, while lamont was in the middle of the dance floor with a crowd around him.

Lamont whooped dGarcia ass, I guarantee garcia wants no parts of a rematch

It seems Garcia is the house fighter that they want to keep undefeated and set up for Floyd Mayweather.

I have not seen the fight but this looks like a marketing ploy to keep Garcia relevant.

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Garcia was swinging and missing. Lamont showed his blackness and had to much rhythm for Garcia. Garcia was the guy in the club holding up the wall, while lamont was in the middle of the dance floor with a crowd around him.

Lamont whooped dGarcia ass, I guarantee garcia wants no parts of a rematch

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Showed his Blackness? Does that mean Garcia wasn't showing his Puerto Ricaness?

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It seems Garcia is the house Haymon fighter that they want to keep undefeated and set up for Floyd Mayweather.

I have not seen the fight but this looks like a marketing ploy to keep Garcia relevant.

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Had to fix it ;D. Seriously though, the catchweight charade Garcia is apart of lastnight and with Matthysse, the mismatch Salka set-up job...it just doesn't pass the smell test. Then he says he'll rematch Peterson but it has to be 147 ffs.

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It seems Garcia is the house fighter that they want to keep undefeated and set up for Floyd Mayweather.

I have not seen the fight but this looks like a marketing ploy to keep Garcia relevant.

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I have always supported Danny Garcia but I'm starting to think that he is just holding the belt for someone else...?

Broner has recently called out Garcia so hopefully we can iron out the best at 140 before Garcia leaves the division.

After floyd beats manny twice this year a fight with Garcia could be his 50th fight early 2016.

Garcia has to show he completely owns this division!

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

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Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

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Garcia was swinging and missing. Lamont showed his blackness and had to much rhythm for Garcia. Garcia was the guy in the club holding up the wall, while lamont was in the middle of the dance floor with a crowd around him.

Lamont whooped dGarcia ass, I guarantee garcia wants no parts of a rematch

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Showed his Blackness? Does that mean Garcia wasn't showing his Puerto Ricaness?

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not at all, he look like he was born in Iowa.

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Originally Posted by Master

It seems Garcia is the house fighter that they want to keep undefeated and set up for Floyd Mayweather.

I have not seen the fight but this looks like a marketing ploy to keep Garcia relevant.

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I have always supported Danny Garcia but I'm starting to think that he is just holding the belt for someone else...?

Broner has recently called out Garcia so hopefully we can iron out the best at 140 before Garcia leaves the division.

After floyd beats manny twice this year a fight with Garcia could be his 50th fight early 2016.

Garcia has to show he completely owns this division!

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Damn it man, your comment was good until you inserted floyds cock in mouth

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Originally Posted by imp

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Originally Posted by Master

It seems Garcia is the house fighter that they want to keep undefeated and set up for Floyd Mayweather.

I have not seen the fight but this looks like a marketing ploy to keep Garcia relevant.

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I have always supported Danny Garcia but I'm starting to think that he is just holding the belt for someone else...?

Broner has recently called out Garcia so hopefully we can iron out the best at 140 before Garcia leaves the division.

After floyd beats manny twice this year a fight with Garcia could be his 50th fight early 2016.

Garcia has to show he completely owns this division!

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Damn it man, your comment was good until you inserted floyds cock in mouth

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Another gay Midget revealing his stupidity.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

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Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

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You can't score a fight.

Peterson didn't lose every round he moved around in.

It was a pretty close fight, if Peterson would have come with a bit more pressure right at the start of the fight, he would have gotten it. In my opinion, it is a bad decision but I wouldn't go as far as a robbery.

Chris is my private stalker..I have learnt to love him.

Some great points made by you guys.
I hope Garcia gives Peterson the rematch so the right man can win or fight Maidana so he can wreck him and shut Silly Angel Garcia up.

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It was a pretty close fight, if Peterson would have come with a bit more pressure right at the start of the fight, he would have gotten it. In my opinion, it is a bad decision but I wouldn't go as far as a robbery.

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It was a robbery.

Garcia got worked over.

He didn't win enough rounds.

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It was a pretty close fight, if Peterson would have come with a bit more pressure right at the start of the fight, he would have gotten it. In my opinion, it is a bad decision but I wouldn't go as far as a robbery.

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It was a robbery.

Garcia got worked over.

He didn't win enough rounds.

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I agree. I don't see how Garcia won that fight. Even if you score generously you can't give Garcia enough rounds to deserve the W.

If you think it's close then just watch and decide which fighter would you have rather been in that fight. I'd be Peterson because Garcia was clueless and got embarrassed, whilst Peterson dictated everything.

Tough call cause Peterson came out strong in the second half but gave away rounds in the first. Not sure which round (maybe 11) but Peterson may have earned a 10-8 round when he had Garcia rock.

I thought Peterson should of won but Garcia getting the decision is hard to argue with. Close fight.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

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Peterson says the same thing here, around the 2.24 mark.

https://youtu.be/LCIhIjj9vR0?t=2m24s

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It was a pretty close fight, if Peterson would have come with a bit more pressure right at the start of the fight, he would have gotten it. In my opinion, it is a bad decision but I wouldn't go as far as a robbery.

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It was a robbery.

Garcia got worked over.

He didn't win enough rounds.

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I agree. I don't see how Garcia won that fight. Even if you score generously you can't give Garcia enough rounds to deserve the W.

If you think it's close then just watch and decide which fighter would you have rather been in that fight. I'd be Peterson because Garcia was clueless and got embarrassed, whilst Peterson dictated everything.

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I think it is a bit severe here; to me, a robbery is when it is litterally VERY obvious that one of the fighter won and the other lost. It wasn't SO obvious here. I think that it is a bad decision, that Peterson did deserve the win, but a Robbery is of another magnitude.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Peterson should have walked him down earlier... if he fought for an extra 10-20 seconds extra in the 3rd, 4th and 5th, he would have won easily.

He has a lot left in the tank in the end... he should have just won earlier rounds.

I have seen fighters try this late rounds model before, it can backfire as it did last night: Don't wait for the 6th or 7th to turn up, and the 8th if you are splitting the rounds prior in your mind, is just too late if you have something left in the tank.

If you have a strategy for the long haul, try to win at least two of the first five rounds. Just try...

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I don't mean to be rude but quite simply you, like the judges, don't know what you saw. You didn't see what actually happened. Peterson did win early rounds. He just didn't do it the way you wanted. But that is supposed to be irrelevant. There are scoring criteria and by the scoring criteria Peterson won those rounds.

It's sad how many phony terms have been made up to cheat the proper scoring system like "fought negative" or "ran". There are rules, people need to stop making crap up and follow the rules. Peterson won that fight by the rules, that's why Garcia resorted to so much fouling. He knew he wasn't winning by the rules.

And even Gacia said "I lost, I lost" because Peterson first out boxed him, then he beat him up. He had Garcia any way he wanted him. He was the Ring General(a real scoring criteria)

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Ron, you should send a complaint to those two judges that gave the win to Garcia.
I agree with you that Peterson should have won, but he came to the fight with a boneheaded fight plan and stuck to it.
I don't know who came up with that, but they should never admit to it. What's wrong with the tried and true fight plan of trying to win every round as they come up? I can't imagine telling a fighter, "Hey kid, get in there and dazzle everyone with your speed and mobility while you wear him out, after 6 or 7 rounds go ahead and KO him. You might lose some or all of those dazzling 6 or 7 rounds, but don't worry about it because you're going to KO him, right?"
Ron, please don't talk to me about scoring criteria because my intolerance for stupidity and boring, boring fights trumps anything you have to say. To begin with Peterson should have lost the fight for trying to bore everyone to death for 6 rounds.
Not one of the three judges had Peterson winning, doesn't that register or tell you something? It tells me that judges don't like to see fighters dancing and prancing around the ring during a professional boxing match.

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You can't score a fight.

Peterson didn't lose every round he moved around in.

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I don't want to score a fight, I want to see a fight!

Who said he lost every round he moved around in, not me!
None of the judges had Peterson winning the fight and two judges had Peterson definitely losing.
The sad truth is that Peterson would have won the fight, easily, if he had left his super duper, dazzling footwork in the gym and come out fighting in the 1st round like he did in the 7th round.
We can agree on that can't we?

I see people critiquing Peterson's fight plan. I think he had a good framework for fighting Garcia. If he went toe to toe and turned it into a brawl I think the fight would have swung in Garcia's favor. I really thought Danny was going to be a big deal and I like his personality but he is really not performing as I was hoping he would. People are saying he is in line for Floyd. That would be a joke, I would be surprised if he hit Floyd at all during the fight. I wouldn't waste my time watching it. Danny needs to dump his father and get a new trainer. I guess having family in your camp can be a bad thing. I don't think his father would be willing to acknowledge reality and it would be tough to fire your on father. Peterson is a good fighter and I like the guy but Danny made him look much better than he is.

first off, im somebody who hates the term running but the first 4 rounds, peterson was basically running. running is when you have only defense and no offense. peterson for the most part did absolutely nothing offensively at the beginning of the fight.

this was one of those fights that peterson did better, but when you go round by round, garcia probably won. i had him winning the fight 115-113. peterson gave away rounds more than garcia won them. so garcia eeked out rounds because of the complete lack of offense of peterson while peterson won rounds by clearly beating up garcia. i think the decision was fine but peterson did control the fight more. thats the problem with round by round scoring, it doesnt take into effect who did better, it only takes into effect who won the most rounds.

Few thoughts on this fight:
1. This reminded me of the Hop vs Taylor fight where Hop minimized his output early, but was still controlling the fight and landing the cleaner punches before coming on to dominate late. I think Hop dominated Taylor more that Peterson dominated Garcia, but the flow was similar in my opinion.
2. I stand by my statements/feelings that Garcia is overrated and will lose to the first elite fighter he faces who takes him seriously. He has decent power and solid boxing skills, but is not fast enough to be world class in my opinion.
3. Peterson lost this fight more than Garcia beat him. Whatever you think about the decision (I would've given it to Peterson), Peterson spent more time moving laterally than throwing punches with bad intentions and judges rarely reward those tactics. I feel he is the better fighter but managed to find a way to lose again.

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first off, im somebody who hates the term running but the first 4 rounds, peterson was basically running. running is when you have only defense and no offense. peterson for the most part did absolutely nothing offensively at the beginning of the fight.

this was one of those fights that peterson did better, but when you go round by round, garcia probably won. i had him winning the fight 115-113. peterson gave away rounds more than garcia won them. so garcia eeked out rounds because of the complete lack of offense of peterson while peterson won rounds by clearly beating up garcia. i think the decision was fine but peterson did control the fight more. thats the problem with round by round scoring, it doesnt take into effect who did better, it only takes into effect who won the most rounds.

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Peterson was landing while he was moving...no sense lying.

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Garcia was swinging and missing. Lamont showed his blackness and had to much rhythm for Garcia. Garcia was the guy in the club holding up the wall, while lamont was in the middle of the dance floor with a crowd around him.

Lamont whooped dGarcia ass, I guarantee garcia wants no parts of a rematch

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Showed his Blackness? Does that mean Garcia wasn't showing his Puerto Ricaness?

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not at all, he look like he was born in Iowa.

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Aw, snap! LOL!

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first off, im somebody who hates the term running but the first 4 rounds, peterson was basically running. running is when you have only defense and no offense. peterson for the most part did absolutely nothing offensively at the beginning of the fight.

this was one of those fights that peterson did better, but when you go round by round, garcia probably won. i had him winning the fight 115-113. peterson gave away rounds more than garcia won them. so garcia eeked out rounds because of the complete lack of offense of peterson while peterson won rounds by clearly beating up garcia. i think the decision was fine but peterson did control the fight more. thats the problem with round by round scoring, it doesnt take into effect who did better, it only takes into effect who won the most rounds.

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Peterson was landing while he was moving...no sense lying.

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I'm lying so that I can argue with you

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first off, im somebody who hates the term running but the first 4 rounds, peterson was basically running. running is when you have only defense and no offense. peterson for the most part did absolutely nothing offensively at the beginning of the fight.

this was one of those fights that peterson did better, but when you go round by round, garcia probably won. i had him winning the fight 115-113. peterson gave away rounds more than garcia won them. so garcia eeked out rounds because of the complete lack of offense of peterson while peterson won rounds by clearly beating up garcia. i think the decision was fine but peterson did control the fight more. thats the problem with round by round scoring, it doesnt take into effect who did better, it only takes into effect who won the most rounds.

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I saw it the same way, kinda.

I wasn't as impressed with Peterson's movement as the BoxNation commentary team were (they were really quite literally gushing over him, which was making me feel quite nauseous)... although it was clearly unsettling Garcia who to me, basically has no ring generalship.
I mean this was worse than what I felt about the Herrera fight, in that the overall look of the fight was clearly in Peterson's favour.

I feel bad for Peterson but I was getting annoyed at his 'movement' (damn fool was starting to remind me of Richard Pryor), so I can see why the judges didn't side with him... Al Haymon connections aside, of course!

Garcia really needs to sort his boxing out now. He is credited with being able to punch with his opponents but really looks one-dimensional and needs to work on setting other traps, learn how to move, at least learn how to cut the ring off.
Also it's strange how he doesn't have much of a physical presence. Can't rough up fighters when he needs to. Really quite limited.

Still a fan though.

Whether you think Garcia won or Peterson won is a little bit down to styles you prefer, but the most noticeable think to me was how Garcia has gone a bit backwards. After he beat Khan, then Matthysse, both fights he was the underdog in, I had high hopes for him.
But he looked frustrated, and more importantly going forward and up to WW , he looked the smaller man and he also didn't impose himself on Peterson . Peterson looked stronger and he's not exactly a beast.
I like Garcia, and I think it's a bit of a shame.

I've always said that Garcia was good at a lot of things but not really great at anything. He is someone who will always have close fights because of his style. It really impedes his path to greatness but he will continue to be relevant because I don't see him just getting destroyed by anyone.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

I've always said that Garcia was good at a lot of things but not really great at anything. He is someone who will always have close fights because of his style. It really impedes his path to greatness but he will continue to be relevant because I don't see him just getting destroyed by anyone.

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Personally, I think if he fights Pac, Floyd, Maidana or Thurman at 147 he gets blown out. Throw Porter in that group as well. Kell Brook boxes his ears off as does Khan. Garcia is a solid professional who is an overachiever and has capitalized and caught some lucky breaks from the judges (and his opponents). The Matthysse win was impressive to me, but I other than that fight and the Khan stoppage, he hasn't looked impressive at all. Reminds me of Jake Rodriguez back in the 90s.

I have watched the fight and I think Peterson was far too negative to be given any of the earlier rounds. Garcia was calling him to fight in the 4th and anyone can run. Peterson was not landing until 8th and did put on a beating but that was too late. Peterson deserved to lose.