The Jab

Some thoughts on teaching this punch.
When you start a guy out by telling him to step every time he jabs, you need to stay on top of that. Otherwise he will pick up bad habits like stepping with the left foot but not the right. Or leaning up on the left foot to jab. Both of these are hard habits to break. I would suggest not using the words jab and step together for at least two weeks.
Get them moving. Show them how to move up and back, etc...with hands up. Then a round of the same but with both hands moving, hands and feet independently.
Don't let them hit the jab on the heavy bag yet. Too heavy and it will teach bad mechanics. At this point that bag is to learn the the weight goes to the left foot for right hand punches, to the right for left hand punches. Except the jab so keep them separate.
Just do jab/move drills, keep the feet and jab moving. Your goal here is "loose". You don't say 'step with your jab' until he understands punch mechanics.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Some thoughts on teaching this punch.
When you start a guy out by telling him to step every time he jabs, you need to stay on top of that. Otherwise he will pick up bad habits like stepping with the left foot but not the right. Or leaning up on the left foot to jab. Both of these are hard habits to break. I would suggest not using the words jab and step together for at least two weeks.
Get them moving. Show them how to move up and back, etc...with hands up. Then a round of the same but with both hands moving, hands and feet independently.
Don't let them hit the jab on the heavy bag yet. Too heavy and it will teach bad mechanics. At this point that bag is to learn the the weight goes to the left foot for right hand punches, to the right for left hand punches. Except the jab so keep them separate.
Just do jab/move drills, keep the feet and jab moving. Your goal here is "loose". You don't say 'step with your jab' until he understands punch mechanics.

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what is wrong with this jab?

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Feet to wide and of balance, His speed got him out of trouble.

You can never ever put too much emphasis on balance and loose. Had a young man spar tonight-15 days into boxing- with a guy with two years. He handled himself well, clearly controlling the rounds.
He had good balance because every day he puts in 3 rounds moving around and watching the mirrors right smart. Good stiff jab and he countered well to the body
It isn't hard to get them up and running. The gym I'm at is a fight gym so the sparring comes quick. But you can get a young man into the ring, with something to work with, pretty quick. Then he has some idea and knows a bit and you now can put things in perspective.
Great teaching tool if you know what counts and know how to get there.

grey when I throw the jab is it true I should turn my fist clockwise just a bit?

you have to pump da jab.

QUOTE=brocktonblockbust;1320187]grey when I throw the jab is it true I should turn my fist clockwise just a bit?[/QUOTE]

Yes

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QUOTE=brocktonblockbust;1320187]grey when I throw the jab is it true I should turn my fist clockwise just a bit?

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thx I got a fight coming up in 8 weeks. Wanna work on the jab, most important punch IMO of all time.

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Feet to wide and of balance, His speed got him out of trouble.

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In my opinion the other guy's head coming so far forward was what stuck out. No way Tyson should have been able to reach him at all with that jab the way Tyson was moving. How much faster does a fast guy get when you stick your head in his range every time you jab?

Edit: Second gif, good timing. Tyson steps in with his jab as the other guy is stepping his right foot. Since that guy also has his head forward, he can't get it out of range fast enough. If he had better positioning in the first place, he could have stepped forward and still not have moved into range.

Besides all that, Tyson is trying to get those guys to open up and throw at him anyway. His jab shouldn't be viewed as an attack, but as an invitation for his opponent to (attempt to) counter.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Some thoughts on teaching this punch.
When you start a guy out by telling him to step every time he jabs, you need to stay on top of that. Otherwise he will pick up bad habits like stepping with the left foot but not the right. Or leaning up on the left foot to jab. Both of these are hard habits to break. I would suggest not using the words jab and step together for at least two weeks.
Get them moving. Show them how to move up and back, etc...with hands up. Then a round of the same but with both hands moving, hands and feet independently.
Don't let them hit the jab on the heavy bag yet. Too heavy and it will teach bad mechanics. At this point that bag is to learn the the weight goes to the left foot for right hand punches, to the right for left hand punches. Except the jab so keep them separate.
Just do jab/move drills, keep the feet and jab moving. Your goal here is "loose". You don't say 'step with your jab' until he understands punch mechanics.

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Quick question, how do you get them to keep their head back while jabbing without the step? I was taught to step with the jab like I was dipping my toes in a pool to test the water. Even if the foot doesn't move forward, my coach will sometimes make people throw their jab, freeze at the end and try to tap their front toes a few times. If they have to make a big weight shift before they can start tapping, they're jabbing wrong.

But I have noticed that people will have trouble throwing a right hand when they step. And my coach doesn't like to have people moving with their punches before they can throw them with both feet planted. The jab is the first punch he teaches, so by the time he gets to the right hand people usually don't need the step to feel where their weight should be, but I'd be interested to know what methods you use to get them jabbing correctly without any step.

Your coach is a smart man. It is best to master your punches while standing in one place. generating force and maintaining balance by shifting weight from foot to foot is the foundation of all boxing skill. Walking with your punches before you feel your weight and how it moves is a disaster.
I have never had a problem with a guy getting his head too far forward. I really put a lot on getting the shoulder out front, weight a little back and shoulder rotation. A guy I just started was too far forward. I told him to stop and he did; he listens and works hard.
The way I'm teaching it now fits my situation. I have 15, 16 or more kids to get to nightly and corner obligations. I get a bunch in the ring moving their feet and hands. Outside the ring, on the mitts and bag, I leave the jab mostly alone.
They are having to figure out some things on their own and I'd rather walk them through it. But I'm getting good results; all the kids got a round or two in tonight and the feet and the jabs were highlights. I'm going to stick with this.

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Your coach is a smart man. It is best to master your punches while standing in one place. generating force and maintaining balance by shifting weight from foot to foot is the foundation of all boxing skill. Walking with your punches before you feel your weight and how it moves is a disaster.
I have never had a problem with a guy getting his head too far forward. I really put a lot on getting the shoulder out front, weight a little back and shoulder rotation. A guy I just started was too far forward. I told him to stop and he did; he listens and works hard.
The way I'm teaching it now fits my situation. I have 15, 16 or more kids to get to nightly and corner obligations. I get a bunch in the ring moving their feet and hands. Outside the ring, on the mitts and bag, I leave the jab mostly alone.
They are having to figure out some things on their own and I'd rather walk them through it. But I'm getting good results; all the kids got a round or two in tonight and the feet and the jabs were highlights. I'm going to stick with this.

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Sounds like a good setup. Those kids are lucky to be learning it the right way from the start!

I've been helping a few wrestler friends learn to box a bit, and damn do they all want to keep their heads forward. It's how they're used to standing. Getting them to start in a better position is the hardest thing.

That is true about the wrestlers. The guy I'm teaching that was leaning forward wrestles at school.

This is a great way to stop, someone leaning with the jab. 1st guy 17st 6ft 5 at the time hadnt boxed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJnVAJoUrL0

Hi Everyone,
Nice discourse...

The jab is the one punch that has some distinct components to its body mechanics that distinguish it from the other punches in boxing's offensive arsenal. With that, one of the things I emphasize in my instruction with it is that it's a "spearing"/piston-like straight punch analogous to the fist being a bullet going through a gun barrel (with and without a preceding step - going forward or backward) that "snaps" like a whip.

I generally think it's important to initially teach each punch in boxing without a preceding "trigger" step to establish a baseline foundation with balance and the fundamental body mechanics. In the case of a jab, from a solid on-guard balanced stance, I first teach to push off the ball-of-the-rear foot while simultaneously shooting out the lead hand in a straight-line, piston-like, "spearing" motion, leaning forward with a bend in the lead knee and the head directly over the lead foot. I have students do this slowly and deliberately then gradually and gradiently increase the speed from there as relative proficiency improves. Once solid body mechanics have been established from a stationary position, I'll introduce a "trigger" step into the jabbing mix. From there, I'll segue into teaching backward jabbing, multiple jabs (primarily emphasizing doubles), circular jabbing, and in-and-out jabbing with lateral movement. Anyway...

Take Care,
Lito

@Scrap

Fast hands thingy is a result of sinchronised feet / hip and hand movements, I cannot really explain short way, but I got it comparing Pacquiao vs Provodnikov.
Provodnikov is often not engaging feet / hips into his flurries, and as a result they are somewhat slow sloppy almos pure arm punching, while pacman (and young Tyson)
has very good feet/hip and hands coordination. This video you posted - I personally do not think it can really help (the method)

Speed comes from the position of the head, alters everything if not where it should be. Problem is people try and move that what should not be moved, becomes a habit,move it either side up or down, the whole biomechanics change. Head does not move the body, the body moves the head

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Speed comes from the position of the head, alters everything if not where it should be. Problem is people try and move that what should not be moved, becomes a habit,move it either side up or down, the whole biomechanics change. Head does not move the body, the body moves the head

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Most knock out artists move the head downward and still get the ko. Can you demonstrate that moving the head downward should stop a Deontay wilder from getting a knock out?

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Speed comes from the position of the head, alters everything if not where it should be. Problem is people try and move that what should not be moved, becomes a habit,move it either side up or down, the whole biomechanics change. Head does not move the body, the body moves the head

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Most knock out artists move the head downward and still get the ko. Can you demonstrate that moving the head downward should stop a Deontay wilder from getting a knock out?

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You cant move the head down, impossible. ;D.

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Speed comes from the position of the head, alters everything if not where it should be. Problem is people try and move that what should not be moved, becomes a habit,move it either side up or down, the whole biomechanics change. Head does not move the body, the body moves the head

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Most knock out artists move the head downward and still get the ko. Can you demonstrate that moving the head downward should stop a Deontay wilder from getting a knock out?

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You cant move the head down, impossible. ;D.

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Can you bend it forward and still throw a knock out punch?

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Speed comes from the position of the head, alters everything if not where it should be. Problem is people try and move that what should not be moved, becomes a habit,move it either side up or down, the whole biomechanics change. Head does not move the body, the body moves the head

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Most knock out artists move the head downward and still get the ko. Can you demonstrate that moving the head downward should stop a Deontay wilder from getting a knock out?

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You cant move the head down, impossible. ;D.

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Can you bend it forward and still throw a knock out punch?

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yes but it wont be as hard, the shot. Plus youre not in a good position to defend yourself.

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Speed comes from the position of the head, alters everything if not where it should be. Problem is people try and move that what should not be moved, becomes a habit,move it either side up or down, the whole biomechanics change. Head does not move the body, the body moves the head

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Most knock out artists move the head downward and still get the ko. Can you demonstrate that moving the head downward should stop a Deontay wilder from getting a knock out?

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You cant move the head down, impossible. ;D.

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Can you bend it forward and still throw a knock out punch?

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yes but it wont be as hard, the shot. Plus youre not in a good position to defend yourself.

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But I'm the biggest in the ring!

Meaning what :confused:.

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Meaning what :confused:.

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Means I'm the biggest and strongest mofo in the ring so why can't I go forward?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f_AsOroeb8w
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfUExzL79g