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Wlad is a damn fool if he takes this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Wilder's the toughest test out there for him. A guy taller than him with one-punch KO power in both hands, younger, athletic, fast and is going to be harder to grab and hold than the shorter guys he usually fights. Very very dangerous fight, can't wait to see it.
I honestly don't think Wilder is more diverse and two handed than Jennings. This barn burner will happen but don't see him with the beard, footing or ability to get under Wlad. Fighting Wlad tall on the heel is a march to the boneyard. Wilder has that 'eraser' but he sets a lot of bad patterns..and doesn't bend.
We all know Wilder is probably too green but we want to see it damn it! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Make it happen. Wilder is the strongest test for Wlad and is dangerous.
According to this he wants Fury
BBC Sport - Wladimir Klitschko says Tyson Fury set to be next challenger
It's a great fight. You either get a massive upset or you get to see Fury sparked out. Win/Win either way.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Wlad should have been dq'd last night. I have never seen anything like that in 45 years.
Was he as bad as that! He could not be as bad as he was against Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
As if Vlad doesn't have bad patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I don't see Vlad with the beard...or stanima.
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Originally Posted by MasterWas he as bad as that! He could not be as bad as he was against Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Like I said, the worst I have ever seen. All his fights are lame grab fests but he actually out did himself
Grabomir Klinchko
Dr Velcro Hammer
After his explosive knock out I thought he would change especially fighting in US. What a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWas he as bad as that! He could not be as bad as he was against Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Like I said, the worst I have ever seen. All his fights are lame grab fests but he actually out did himself
It was as bad as usual, but this was the first time I had the feeling that Wlad thinks he can't fight (and win) any other way. Wlad was right on the edge of being DQed and was still using holding tactics: trapping a glove; using his weight to hold Jennings against the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWas he as bad as that! He could not be as bad as he was against Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
We haven't even talked about Wlad's pushing or his half-assed jab/straight-arm/blinder he used all fight long.
I guess he's been allowed to fight that way in Germany for so long, he can't fight any other way or thinks he can't.
!00% agree. this is why if he fights Wilder the fight will be held in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedIt was as bad as usual, but this was the first time I had the feeling that Wlad thinks he can't fight (and win) any other way. Wlad was right on the edge of being DQed and was still using holding tactics: trapping a glove; using his weight to hold Jennings against the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWas he as bad as that! He could not be as bad as he was against Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
We haven't even talked about Wlad's pushing or his half-assed jab/straight-arm/blinder he used all fight long.
I guess he's been allowed to fight that way in Germany for so long, he can't fight any other way or thinks he can't.
Up until his last fight Wilder had little to no seasoning facing adversity, guys who actually came to win. He was smart vs straight line Stiv but was pretty basic with jab-right jab right and backing straight with head high when actually engaged. He has the legs of a middleweight and his stamina will be taxed entirely different as Wlad does all that mauling and drunken buddy hanging on pushing him around. I don't see Wilder taking the shots Jennings did or nearly the herky jerky style to get under many.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteAs if Vlad doesn't have bad patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I don't see Vlad with the beard...or stanima.
I want to see any fight that poses a real danger to Wlad!!!
Damn it............. :mad:
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Originally Posted by SpicoliUp until his last fight Wilder had little to no seasoning facing adversity, guys who actually came to win. He was smart vs straight line Stiv but was pretty basic with jab-right jab right and backing straight with head high when actually engaged. He has the legs of a middleweight and his stamina will be taxed entirely different as Wlad does all that mauling and drunken buddy hanging on pushing him around. I don't see Wilder taking the shots Jennings did or nearly the herky jerky style to get under many.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteAs if Vlad doesn't have bad patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I don't see Vlad with the beard...or stanima.
As if Vlad isn't basic as they come.
Vlad's stanima is too shitty to tax anybody..he was blowing like a steam engine against Jennings..and gassed completely against the dreaded Ross Purrity.
Wilder will show him speed and power he's never seen before.
I think both Wilder or Fury have a legit shot almost on size alone. Neither of these guys are going to have to duck and dive in to attempt to reach him before getting double gloved on the brain stem and pulled down. I think Fury's chances are actually better then Wilders just because of the way he fights.
He's awkward and unorthodox, takes chances and can throw a nice change up switching to southpaw.
I also doubt that Haymon lets Wilder anywhere near Wlad at this time and will milk Mr Wilder for a year or two. Maybe Jennings will get another shot or even Briggs. I just dont see Wilder going to Europe.
Wlads post fight press gig was interesting in that he seemed to apologize because how he put it, the fight was not as exciting an ending as Pulev. That is quite a statement. You see in that fight he was able to get away with what he did last night but against a guy who was also incapable of any movement at all and stood right in front of him. Somehow knocking a pumpkin off a fence post after grabbing the object on several occasions first is exciting.
Some kind of collective protest needs to be launched against this continuous holding in his fights. Its not even boxing. He double grabbed behind the head more times last night then Ali did in his entire career. This is not some puzzle or boxing style that an opponent has to figure out.
Wlad knocks him out in 5. Jennings is better than Wilder. You will see. What Jennings did not have is ko power. Wlad won't let Wilder hit him, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
People seriously underestimate Jennings high guard.
Neither Wlad nor Wilder is remotely so hard to hit. Let's see these huge punching huge athletes throw down. These aren't Primo Carneras, they are athletes, rare athletes.
Wlad will beat Wilder and he'll do it easily, he'll beat Fury and he'll make that look easy too. Jennings surprised me by going the distance, and he put in a decent performance, but it just proves Wlad is THE APEX of the division.....it's just him alone at the top with everyone else looking up.
Wilder has a better chance, in my opinion, with a much faster delivery system.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Wlad vs Fury has a big chance to become a hugfest with short, intermittent outbreaks of punching. Hell, let's face it, they'll both be hugfests if the fight happens in Europe.
Protest? I was thinking about that the night of the fight. What if everyone decided they didn't want to fight Wlad? Their excuse? Wlad is allowed to break the rules, so they have no chance of winning, plus they would rather make less money to have a fair chance against other opponents. Would never work because money has every fighters attention, that's what it's about.
Any ideas for a protest about the holding, pushing, and straight arming Wlad is allowed to get away with in every fight.
I read an article about both Klits having a low opinion of Don King for his cheating ways. I wonder what they both think about Wlad's fighting style. They probably wouldn't have much to say, like all cheaters it seems to be OK as long as they benefit.
The HW division, like any other is akin to a pack of lions. At some point a young lion with no experience of holding down a pack-decides the old king has been there long enough.
Sometimes two young HW's will meet, but when there is a legend holding the throne-it will take a new scrapper to end the reign.
War Wilder War.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpdGFK_mqZI
2:49, 7:14, 7:30
But Wlad is the ONLY boxer, ONLY heavyweight champion to EVER EVER EVER EVER bend rules and I agree....he must be stopped! For the greatness of boxing to return to it's rightful owners, those who never ever ever ever ever bend rules.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edlGrizK1Jo
Only Wlad holds and only Wlad cheats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3oyrq4Q5gM
Only Wlad cheats, only Wlad
.....yuuuuuuuup
Let's not go overboard El Kabong and be melodramatic.
Just providing a little background infoQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
We all know most fighters will push the rules as far as the referee will let them, but show me a fighter who has consistently been allowed to push, bend, and out and out break the rules like Wlad. Hell, the man can't fight any other way now, you have to take away points to get his attention and then it's iffy whether he'll stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Wilder needs one more big fight before taking on Wlad.
Let's face it... he's only gonna get one shot. He loses to Wlad... Wlad checks him off his list and will be that much closer to retirement without a single remaining hazard in his way. I say this because no offense Fury fans, but I just don't see Tyson having any chance against Wlad. Wilder had a good fight against Stiverne... naysayers be damned. Stiverne was shot... Stiverne was never any good.... Stiverne was overrated... blah, blah, blah. Same old shit that gets rehashed every time someone does something great so we don't have to give him that much credit. But it's only one fight. Wilder needs someone else of Stiverne's caliber to give him some championship rounds. THEN... he'll be ready for Wlad. I just don't want Wilder to waste his one and only shot. Wlad won't give him a second one.
Don't be like that. Wilder will get more shots even if he loses to Wlad. That's if he loses to Wlad. I really think he needs Wlad. Stiverne was a mess and hopefully he knows what people are saying about that fight. Deontay is in his prime and sorry Fury but I'd rather watch the Bronze Bomber get a KO or get KO'd against Wlad. He needs this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by arcanum26Don't be like that. Wilder will get more shots even if he loses to Wlad. That's if he loses to Wlad. I really think he needs Wlad. Stiverne was a mess and hopefully he knows what people are saying about that fight. Deontay is in his prime and sorry Fury but I'd rather watch the Bronze Bomber get a KO or get KO'd against Wlad. He needs this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Oh no, don't get me wrong. Wilder will be around for awhile, even if he loses to Wlad. I'm just saying Wlad won't give him another shot if he beats him. Wlad won't risk Wilder coming back in a rematch and KTFO'ing Wlad. That's why I think Wilder has to make his one chance count against Wlad. Once Wlad retires (and just in time), Wilder should reign over the division from what I've seen out there. I just want Wilder to have the best chance to KO Wlad.
My storybook ending would be like this: Wlad and Wilder meet, and Wilder KO's Wlad. Wlad then decides he can't go out on a KO loss and asks for a rematch.... which Deontay grants, and we get Wilder-Wlad II. Here.... Wlad goes in more motivated and less meekly than he has most of his career against the bums he's faced.... and we get a heavyweight FOTY.
Then... I wake up and realize it was just a dream.
Fury is now mandatory for WBA as well as WBO so Wlad isnt going to have much choice now.
Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Bernard Hopkins, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr. ....need more?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Here's the thing, people are tired of Wlad winning and that's fine he's been champion for longer than any other heavyweight most can remember (not sure how many older fellows we have on the forum who watched Holmes). Wlad doesn't have anyone on his level and there's no one on the horizon that people give a good shot at beating Wlad, so people are frustrated.
It's ok to be frustrated......but Wlad isn't going to lose anytime soon and he's not doing anything other greats before him haven't done.
You can take all the heavyweights you got,
Deontay Wilder would whip the whole lot.
cheating leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongEvander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Bernard Hopkins, Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather Jr. ....need more?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Here's the thing, people are tired of Wlad winning and that's fine he's been champion for longer than any other heavyweight most can remember (not sure how many older fellows we have on the forum who watched Holmes). Wlad doesn't have anyone on his level and there's no one on the horizon that people give a good shot at beating Wlad, so people are frustrated.
It's ok to be frustrated......but Wlad isn't going to lose anytime soon and he's not doing anything other greats before him haven't done.
1 wlad
massive gap
2 next biggest cheat theres ever been
Just watched it again
Jennings won
Have another look, you can't score the 4th to the 8th to the big clit
The point off and clit held too much in a couple of other rounds win them
wilder boxed GREAT vs stiverne! wlad will go down, one way or another. by Decision or by KO.
I like how you think, I'm a wilder fan but don't see a Wlad defeat as a sure thing, it'll be a battle. Still, very happy to hear Wlad calling for the fight. I used to really dislike Wlad but he has grown on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Don't you lot know the big Ant is coming :lickish:
Any of these fights would be good to see.Fury vs Wlad Wlad vs Wilder Wilder vs Fury.
Fury has a good chance against both and i wouldn't have said this awhile ago.Fury is smarter and a better fighter then i thought he was.He has showed he can change it up when need's be and won't be an easy fight for anyone.