Eric Molina is a disappointing opponent for Wilder's first title defense.
Tony Thompson, Artur Szpilka or Chris Arreola would have been better.
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Eric Molina is a disappointing opponent for Wilder's first title defense.
Tony Thompson, Artur Szpilka or Chris Arreola would have been better.
He doesn't want to mess up his pay day vs the Wlad-Fury winner.....I mean vs Wlad, because we ALL know Tyson Fury is a joke
The guy Arreola starched a few years back in the 1st round? wtf... smh....
Wilder DID just have his first full 12 rounder ever so doesn't he deserve an easy 1st defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
God wouldn't it be horrible if Molina starches him
People rag on Floyd's competition but I don't remember him defending against a guy of Eric Molina calibre, at least not in the last 10 years.
Lol yes that would suck big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWilder DID just have his first full 12 rounder ever so doesn't he deserve an easy 1st defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
God wouldn't it be horrible if Molina starches him
I second that Fury is a joke as far as being elite.
I don't understand what they are doing with this guy. Where is the massive publicity tour..the talk show appearances? I get a hometown splash, but why run back to a seating capacity of 3k in some Expo Hall. Molina sadly enough can pass as one of his top 3 opponents:-X. Guess they need to hurry to grease and cheat to get Molina ranked in wbc top 10..because right now he's not.
He's won a title and vs a good fighter in Bermane Stiverne BUT he still seems very Michael Grant-ish. What happens if he's not able to land the big right cross? What happens when HE gets stung by a punch? What happens if another guy comes in a throws will bad intentions at him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Wilder could be anything at this point in his career
All very valid questions, still. Was more impressed by him FINALLY going beyond 4 rounds last out, stamina, than anything he took or his power. Honestly though for all of Grants short comings and hype machine...he was more sturdy and just solid two handed puncher compared. To me at least. He answered just about every question prior to Lewis cave in for the most part. Had a ram rod jab, put punches together, had been cut up, fouled, wobbled and dropped a couple and roared back to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's won a title and vs a good fighter in Bermane Stiverne BUT he still seems very Michael Grant-ish. What happens if he's not able to land the big right cross? What happens when HE gets stung by a punch? What happens if another guy comes in a throws will bad intentions at him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Wilder could be anything at this point in his career
Wilder is staying busy and active and if he does fight a couple more times this year great news.
Michael Grant simply got fed to the lion of the division in Lennox Lewis. He gave it a good go, the heart was willing but he just couldn't beat Lewis and yes Michael Grant DOES get more stick than he deserves but after that Lewis fight he was just done.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAll very valid questions, still. Was more impressed by him FINALLY going beyond 4 rounds last out, stamina, than anything he took or his power. Honestly though for all of Grants short comings and hype machine...he was more sturdy and just solid two handed puncher compared. To me at least. He answered just about every question prior to Lewis cave in for the most part. Had a ram rod jab, put punches together, had been cut up, fouled, wobbled and dropped a couple and roared back to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongHe's won a title and vs a good fighter in Bermane Stiverne BUT he still seems very Michael Grant-ish. What happens if he's not able to land the big right cross? What happens when HE gets stung by a punch? What happens if another guy comes in a throws will bad intentions at him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Wilder could be anything at this point in his career
Wilder answered a few questions, but hell did anything other than Wilder's punches move Bermane's head? He had the high guard up, but 0 absolutely 0 head movement! Bermane loaded up on punches, he threw wide, he threw telegraphed shots....Wlad won't do that, other top fighters won't do that. Molina has some pop....not enough, surely not enough to get to Wilder, but if Deontay lets that belt go to his head then we'll see an upset sooner rather than later.
Terrible first defence, there are a few guys who would have probably been available for sure(like Thompson or Arreola) so I don't get it. I personally was impressed with Wilder against Stiverne. He showed some boxing ability, and that he was able to throw power shots not just past 4 but over 12, really surprised me. He did come a little bit unglued by the late rounds if memory serves, but Stiverne showed a hell of a chin to even get there. I don't think to many people in the division would take a lot of flush shots from Wilder, and certainly not Wlad. Now I think Wlad beats Wilder, but if they do it with a ref who doesn't allow much horseshit its a VERY dangerous fight for him imo.
What did we expect? I have seen much better, but also have seen much worse.
Wlad vs. Pianetta and Mormeck AND Leapai were 100000 x's worse.
Pianeta was undefeated #1 and it was very good of Wlad to give a title shot to a guy who had recovered from cancer and really gotten back and done very well in the division albeit against limited competition. Pianeta put in a good effort, but was outclassed, he got a big pay day and he was ranked fairly high as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Mormeck I think was a stylistic match for Wlad to prepare for Povetkin, Boytsov, and maybe Chisora as they all are similar in stature and style. Yeah this as an optional defense was sucky, I agree.
For THE last fucking time Leapai was a mandatory for beating Boytsov, it was going to be the undefeated Boytsov vs Wlad, but Leapai beat Boytsov....there was 0 Wlad had to do with that fight, he only took it so he could keep his WBO title. How do people forget that?
Anthony Joshua is fighting a better opponent in his 13th fight than the "world" champ is facing in his 34th. Boxing. Madness.
Thompson, Arreola. A name that someone has heard of. This makes his team look timid.
I would've called out Antonio Tarver. GREAT name, past it a bit. Decent but not devastating power.
Even lateef Kayode is a better pick.
Just an awful decision.
Tony Thompson would beat Wilder IMO, he handled David Price who I think has similar power and was probably more polished than Wilder. Thompson has a great defense, decent pop, a solid chin, and hell the only guys to convincingly beat him were excellent BOXERS, not just sluggers.
That said Glazkov and Lucas Browne are available, both ranked higher than Molina. Anthony Joshua could step in. Andy Ruiz Jr., Artur Szpilka, Carlos Takam, Cris Arreola...those guys have better names and could give Wilder a challenge.
Also after this fight there's the Povetkin-Perez winner that will become the mandatory.
Deontay hasn't grown into fighting the big names yet, he's at the shouting stage right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I do think Molina is a decent choice because of his size. Wilder needs to fight nothing but big guys until he gets his chance at Wald or he is forced to fight Wlad.
Thompson and Fury, both like to grapple some like Wlad, so they would be good choices.
Hope we get to see something or someone break up the logjam that Wlad has created. The heavyweight division is stagnate, in my opinion, and will be until Wlad is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Dont disagree with you, but there have been plenty of fighters who step up as soon as they get a belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDeontay hasn't grown into fighting the big names yet, he's at the shouting stage right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I do think Molina is a decent choice because of his size. Wilder needs to fight nothing but big guys until he gets his chance at Wald or he is forced to fight Wlad.
Thompson and Fury, both like to grapple some like Wlad, so they would be good choices.
I feel goofy bringing up Tyson after i just made a thread questioning him as an all time great.
Yet Tyson got one belt, then another until he unifies them
I do feel he was in a weak era like corvette stated. Well the guys i named are similar level. Most important they have house good names and fan friendly.
Kayode is a Roach fighter.surreal power, but can't box.
How is that not a choice fight?
This is just an easy KO for his home town fans... let's get a top 20 guy in there with him at least for fucks sakes... SMH.
Floyd Mayweather hasn't fought a guy outside of the top 10 or 15 since 1998, but all you sissies rag on him. SMH... :rolleyes:
What has Wlad done to create a logjam other than keep his titles? He fights often enough for a champion especially.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
The division is stagnate but it typically is because these guys have no other weight classes to go to and other than try out for MMA matches they've got nothing else to do. So you've got older heavies and you've got guys coming back from retirement at heavyweight all the time, you've got young kids who have to be moved along slowly and so they use older fighters, it's just the way it is. The prospects at this point in time should fight each other and not worry about being undefeated. Guys like Andy Ruiz need to step up and fight other fighters of the same/similar age and that would shake things up a bit.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Wlad holds three belts and averages a fight every 6 months, so he fights for the same belt about every 18 months. That seems like a logjam to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat has Wlad done to create a logjam other than keep his titles? He fights often enough for a champion especially.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
The division is stagnate but it typically is because these guys have no other weight classes to go to and other than try out for MMA matches they've got nothing else to do. So you've got older heavies and you've got guys coming back from retirement at heavyweight all the QUOTE]
time, you've got young kids who have to be moved along slowly and so they use older fighters, it's just the way it is. The prospects at this point in time should fight each other and not worry about being undefeated. Guys like Andy Ruiz need to step up and fight other fighters of the same/similar age and that would shake things up a bit.
What about when he wants to take a money fight which pushes a mandatory back six months or a year.
So that would be different if there was another heavyweight champion with those belts?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Are you playing the dunce on purpose? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Wlad is doing, I'm saying it's not going to change until there are more champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
So that would be different if there was another heavyweight champion with those belts?
Wlad has to start losing belts for us to see more and probably more competitive heavyweight title fights. Wlad should let one of those belts go. He could still defend twice a year between two belts and maybe work in a grudge/money fight once in a while. It's all about money and things aren't going to change until Wlad loses.
I like Wlad but I've made up my mind, he has got to go. He looked terrible against Jennings!
Well won't you be upset once Wlad has all of the belts :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedAre you playing the dunce on purpose? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with what Wlad is doing, I'm saying it's not going to change until there are more champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
So that would be different if there was another heavyweight champion with those belts?
Wlad has to start losing belts for us to see more and probably more competitive heavyweight title fights. Wlad should let one of those belts go. He could still defend twice a year between two belts and maybe work in a grudge/money fight once in a while. It's all about money and things aren't going to change until Wlad loses.
I like Wlad but I've made up my mind, he has got to go. He looked terrible against Jennings!
All Jennings did was move his feet and keep a high guard what are you going to do with that look AMAZING? How about Jennings attempt to win the fight? If you're THAT defensive you're never going to win the rounds against Wlad because Wlad will land cleaner, more powerful, and more often which is exactly what happened.
And I'm sorry the clinching and the leaning will continue and it's not against the rules as when people mistime or overthink their punches they'll get in too close and you tie up and turn as the other fighter....it's common sense to find your correct range and to keep the other fighter from getting in their range. Fighters have done it before Wlad and fighters will do it after Wlad.
Contenders need to fight each other and prepare each other for title shots, that isn't happening enough and so here's what you get TIMID challengers. Put the ear muffs up, circle around for 12 rounds lose on the cards and then you can go back to fighting on your level again....that's what you get
Yet another fight I don't give a shit about.
Wilder looks bad to the public, choosing the weakest HW ranked by the WBC.
Molina is much worse than any Wladimir Klitschko title opponent - he was KOed in round one twice and is not even ranked in the top 40 on BoxRec.
this is like the chicken and the egg... what came first molinas title shot or molinas top 10 wbc ranking :S
I think wilders team excuse for this one is that wilder broke his hand v stiverne so he needs a warm up to get back on track.. I do like wilder though but can't really defend this opponent.
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Originally Posted by beenKOedDeontay hasn't grown into fighting the big names yet, he's at the shouting stage right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I do think Molina is a decent choice because of his size. Wilder needs to fight nothing but big guys until he gets his chance at Wald or he is forced to fight Wlad.
Thompson and Fury, both like to grapple some like Wlad, so they would be good choices.
No.... no.... and HELL no.
I'm one of Wilder's fans and want him to go on to great things. Hopefully meet and beat Wlad someday before Wlad retires. But we all spent years and countless fights waiting for Wilder to move up, and he finally did.... versus Stiverne. Now he's going to take 10 steps back?? C'mon now! Say it ain't so, Deontay. In boxing you move forward.... not take one step forward and two back. If I'm gonna be critical of Wlad's choice of opponents, which I am, and very often..... I can't be hypocritical and ignore Wilder's choice of opponent post-Stiverne. And to those who say Wilder deserves a soft spot after a tough battle with Stiverne..... NAY. These soft spots are earned after numerous tough fights/wars, usually by a veteran fighter who you can't begrudge his getting that soft spot on his schedule.
Wilder can step it up when he has to as proven against stiverne. Give him time to build his profile up. I assume his fight is not ppv?
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Originally Posted by Master
How much more time, @Master ?
He's 33-0 and fast approaching JCC Jr. territory.
He needs to start seeking out the Fury's and the Wlad's before Wlad up and retires.
He will seek them out but the reality is he is not going to take on Wlad straight away. Fury is next for Wlad. Wilder will fight the winner of Perez/Povetkin. It is a first defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
How much more time, @Master ?
He's 33-0 and fast approaching JCC Jr. territory.
He needs to start seeking out the Fury's and the Wlad's before Wlad up and retires.
This guy is an entirely new definition of taking baby steps. The guys not even ranked and its a title fight ffs ;D Anything he needs to learn should have been worked on before he got here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterHe will seek them out but the reality is he is not going to take on Wlad straight away. Fury is next for Wlad. Wilder will fight the winner of Perez/Povetkin. It is a first defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
How much more time, @Master ?
He's 33-0 and fast approaching JCC Jr. territory.
He needs to start seeking out the Fury's and the Wlad's before Wlad up and retires.
I agree, its surely a dumb move from his camp. Aside from who has earned what, the fact is Wilder still needs experience fighting quality guys and going rounds. It's not as if he took much damage against Stiverne, that was only a tough fight for him because it went 12, he should be looking to build and improve on that, which he clearly can't do against opponents like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDeontay hasn't grown into fighting the big names yet, he's at the shouting stage right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I do think Molina is a decent choice because of his size. Wilder needs to fight nothing but big guys until he gets his chance at Wald or he is forced to fight Wlad.
Thompson and Fury, both like to grapple some like Wlad, so they would be good choices.
No.... no.... and HELL no.
I'm one of Wilder's fans and want him to go on to great things. Hopefully meet and beat Wlad someday before Wlad retires. But we all spent years and countless fights waiting for Wilder to move up, and he finally did.... versus Stiverne. Now he's going to take 10 steps back?? C'mon now! Say it ain't so, Deontay. In boxing you move forward.... not take one step forward and two back. If I'm gonna be critical of Wlad's choice of opponents, which I am, and very often..... I can't be hypocritical and ignore Wilder's choice of opponent post-Stiverne. And to those who say Wilder deserves a soft spot after a tough battle with Stiverne..... NAY. These soft spots are earned after numerous tough fights/wars, usually by a veteran fighter who you can't begrudge his getting that soft spot on his schedule.
Molina is a horrible first defense. To be frank, it's a reprehensible mismatch. He doesn't need to take on Povetkin in his first defense, but this fight won't even be developmental for him. I don't see what he gets out of it. It's like a the Garcia route all over again. We watched him win a tough fight and then regress.
Give the guy a break and let him raise his profile and make some money. Yes you are right, in the old days there was no way a champion would still need time to develop himself but this division sucks so bad that champions are created when they have not learned all they need to remain champions.