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How bad is it?
So bad that Lampley's blowing of Canelo from his ringside seat would have wobbled him if that first left hook from Canelo hadn't.
It's not great, but I think a lot of it is HOW he gets hit.
Because of his brawling, reckless style he usually gets caught flush on the chin with his hands down, he's usually charging into the punch, and he never sees the punches coming because he's usually in the process of firing his own punch. That kind of style is really dangerous, both for you and your opponent.
Agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I think it's weak. Consider this: Canelo couldn't floor Lara, who got dropped twice by Angulo.
He floored Trout, but he turned out to have a weak chin.
Defense doesn't cover the fact that Kirkland was dropped twice, and brutally KO'd. If you have a weak chin, great defense can help, but you'll still have a weak chin.
I don't think you can call his chin weak, he took a lot of bombs that would have stopped most fighters and stayed on his feet before finally get KO'd.
Canelo can punch. He's not necessarily a GGG but he has legit KO power in both hands. Lara and Trout are slick southpaw movers, he never landed the kind of shots on them that he did on Kirkland.
Wow. If you ask me the guys got a great chin. 9 out of ten people would have been planked in the first round.
This is how good Kirkland's chin is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYMd3eNL__8
I was thinking his chin is going to be questionable until he starts thinking seriously about defense. Apparently the best defense is not a great offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
He was lucky Canelo missed so often with those right uppercuts....oooh you knew something was going to land eventually and then it was lights out.
But if Kirkland fought SMART everyone would be calling him a pussy
Like shaping up to be a super welter version of Letterlough (R.I.P)Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I make no pretenses when I say this, Kirkland could have nullified the affects of punches by being aware of the fact that his balance was pissed poor. His legs were too wide in pursuit and they were too close together in close. Ishida is not he strongest fighter in the division but he manhandled Kirkland and pushed him away with his forearm. There is one more thing, he went backwards too much, straight back and when the end came he seemed from my angle to appear like he was waiting to get hit. It's like he was a kid that got lost at a county fair. Canelo must have been holding him up or wanted o accumulate rounds because if you look at the end of the fight Kirkland is just standing there with a low guard as though this was the end.
Very surprised he made it out of the first round.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Round two he seemed to have taken the shots better.
I remember Tito use to survive early knockdown then took shots better as the round wore on.
Same with Kirkland- adding on what you guys have suggested that adds to his woes, with which I agree.
Angulo and especially Joel Julio landed way friggin harder than Ishida, but trainer Ann & Pops had Kirkland in the "wolfe" zone.
He walked through fire in both fights like one of those zombies in the movies that feel no pain.
And rapper fifty cent has the nerve to say: next fight he is going back to Ann.
What for? Too late IMO, that was a damaging KO.
Kirkland is all offense, standing in front of his opponent and trading punches or walking straight in throwing mostly power shots. Hell that's not boxing, that style is called bar room brawling.
He has to start trying to let some of those punches get past him! Lol
It doesn't matter who trains him, they have to work on his defense, in my opinion.
Listening to him talk, I'm starting to think not everything gets through to him.
When I saw Canelo land that right cross and James go spinning down to the canvas in my mind I hear the "BWEEE WOO WOOOOOOO" Mike Tyson's Punch-Out sound effect....all the fight was missing after that was Mario as the referee
Any chin that does more leading than any shadow of a jab is a 'bad' chin. Gauging a chin is often done like one of those arcade speed bags used to measure a punch. Both are not enough long term, but will get you shouted about, without other tools. Its complicated man ;D Kirkland sells his chin out and with his awkward bad feet, exposing himself as easily as he commits to landing the bomb..all in one motion, the made irrelevant southpaw stance on top of about a handful of other holes. He has been wobbled by a handful before Ishida and looks short circuited off 'fast' punches. Ishida was precision and speed and a truck load of nuts. He walked Kirkland down sharpshooting. I think Angulo was the best fight he's fought, he was damn sharp after being dropped and made smart target practice with some combinations after Angulo went 1st round windmill. That was a beat down. Someone needs to watch out for this guy, someone bigger than the network using him as shark chum and a scalp. No idea why the turmoil with Wolfe but regardless of boxing..it'd be good to see him get back to some sort of foundation. For the bigger picture. Kinda high
I agree Cheech:p Chins are a funny one, I think it would take a very rare beard to be able to handle punches well with a style like Kirklands, his isn't that bad in itself. So much of it is the feet and awareness, nobody can just full zombie forward and take real power punches in return. I think the Ishida fight was maybe a one off, he got caught cold or was ill prepared etc. Just from the shots he was able to fight through against Angulo and Canelo the other day, he obviously isn't that fragile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Finally watched the fight. Can't say kirks chin is shit or he wouldn't have gotten out of the first. Kirkland doesn't win without Wolfe anyway. Canelo says he's learning English, let's go, hablo some English
@Spicoli
Angulo fight was his best. If you listen to Ann in one of the rounds she pleads with him to use the jab and said " but double it up". He did for round 3-4 the next round was when Ann got ghetto.
Muthaf#!a this is yo,' destiny.
Fight was over that next round.
She may not win him a title but has proven only she can get the most mileage out of Kirkland.