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Seriously think Froch should consider this fight. Monroe did well enough but imagine a 168 fighter who has stamina and can take a punch and dish it back on? Think it has everything to make it such a good fight though. Well done GGG, he looked good again against somebody I've never heard of, to give Monroe credit he wasn't bad.
Agree 100%. I don't think GGG has really been tested against a top notice fighter. Froch or Ward may be too much for him over 12 fast pace rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Ward's style would trouble him a great deal. But I think he smashes Froch. Froch is 37. Soon to be 38. He is not only on the decline but he already has his eye on retirement. Not the mentality a fighter should have going into a Golvtkin fight
Cotto and Alvarez are going to do their level best to avoid Golovkin. Ward isn't a big money fight in the States for Golovkin. If Golovkin wants a big payday anytime soon then he has to come to England and do Sky PPV.
How is "big money fight" a concern for a guy who hasn't done a PPV? All he should care about is will HBO pay for it. Don't do the ducking for GGG, he's a great fighter he can handle himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I give ggg absolutely no chance against ward and with froch I would think froch would be the slight favouriteQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I have no problem with GGG fighting Ward or Froch, but they clearly have a problem fighting him! When Ward beats Smith , let's see who he's linked with, because he didn't want to know about GGG , and after the length of time he's been out , that's fair enough I suppose , but Ward shouldn't mention him.
As for Froch, he doesn't want anything of GGG, Infact he doesn't really want anyone apart from Chavez! For me, Ward at anywhere near his best, beats GGG , but Froch loses badly.
I think the trouble with Froch is that he simply didn't look very good against Groves either time and he has been inactive since then and in brawler terms is fairly ancient. If GGG simply tries to fight smart rather then I think he should beat Froch. He was having a laugh today knowing he could eat punches from Monroe. Ward would perhaps be tougher stylistically, but Ward is even more inactive. GGG has no big names, but he knows how to stay busy and
.....fight.
GGG did he let Monroe off the hook, maybe so Monroe was slick and tough a very good boxer,
in fact Froch for his part may want a good last pay day,! but at what price.
Ward may just be good enough to beat GGG, but he has been inactive for some time so we can
only guess.
What ever the out come who ever GGG fights, it a very hard fight the opponents have on there
hands.
I'm surprised max didn't ask about froch in the post fight interview. We know canelo and Cotto are due to meet in September so they are out the picture this year. Ward doesn't fight full stop. Now chavez is gone then triple g and Froch are both free for a big fight next.
I agree with the thread starter that carl might've seen something that will convince him to take it & I also agree that with 1 eye on retirement he will struggle in a fight with Golovkin
Munroe did better than I thought but I didn't know much about him. Golovkin took afew shots, nothing big like kellerman was suggesting but enough to hint that Golovkin is becoming stale at this level & a super fight is overdue
GGG beats any age Froch , Froch is wide open to punches he would be stopped with ease.
Ward is an interesting fight , but I would put my money on GGG.
They don't seem to agree because even though he's been talking about moving up for various opponents since 2012 every time Ward is mentioned it's "well, umm, we have to clean out 160". Ward even said "watch how they change their tune(about anyone from 154-175) when I call them out" and he was spot on that they changed their tune immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I think GGG loses badly to ward. From what I saw last night he is easily out boxed even Floyd a 154 will out box him. Froch is tough and strong also alot bigger so I see a hard fight for GGG where he takes a beating but then again Froch is wide open for GGGs power.
GGG and team will avoid Ward like the plague.
I honesty doubt GGG beats any super middleweight worth a damn - including Arthur Abraham.
Froch should be itching to fight Ward, not GGG.
froch KO ggg THUNDEROUSLYQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
GGG would beat Froch comfortably in my opinion.
The fight is not going to happen though.
It seems because GGG did not blast Monroe out early, suddenly he's beatable what a load of
BS chaps he was toying with Monroe.
All that's missing for GGG is a big fight, come on who is going to push him really this guy is
the real deal, Sergio wanted no part of him did he.
Trouble is there are NO light or middle weights, who can really compete with GGG so he may
move up in weight, here's a tip enjoy when you can,fighters like him don't turn up very off tern.;)
Ward easily beats ggg. He's bigger and better. Ggg beats froch easily. Ggg fights smart when he needs to. He wouldn't brawl with froch. He would counter him all night.
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Originally Posted by Dia bando
I have to agree he was in total control of the fight and won as he pleased , as for Monroe , good effort son . If GGG fights Froch I would put a large bet on him to knock Froch out.
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Originally Posted by powerpuncher
He wouldn't need to , if Groves can hurt Froch , GGG is done for murder.
Frock is much larger, tough, has a great chin, solid boxing skills and very good power. Ward has the same qualities but minus a little power with much more sped and skills. I can see both beating GGG due to styles and the fact that GGG is a small middleweight, but I would never count Gennady out due to his punch.
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Originally Posted by Dia bando
You never know he could be smarter than people think,winding in someone for a future match by looking more beatable.
Froch is going to retire, he's given plenty of indicators, so forget about him and Ward or GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
There is no doubt that GGG wants a 'big drama' fight with Ward and I think it will happen.
Who wins? Let's see how Ward looks first.
It all depends on whether or not GGG was 'carrying' Monroe last night.😳 Ooh! I know that pissed some people off!!😆
Anyway, if Ward/GGG happens, it will definitely be a 'big drama' fight during the buildup and hopefully during the fight!
Don't forget that Ward and Floyd have the same styles and Manny and GGG are both aggressive fighters and smaller.
Shiiiit! All y'all could be crying the blues again. Could⚡️strike twice?😱
I don't think there would be much crying if Ward beats GGG, I think most people would agree with most of what you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedFroch is going to retire, he's given plenty of indicators, so forget about him and Ward or GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
There is no doubt that GGG wants a 'big drama' fight with Ward and I think it will happen.
Who wins? Let's see how Ward looks first.
It all depends on whether or not GGG was 'carrying' Monroe last night.😳 Ooh! I know that pissed some people off!!😆
Anyway, if Ward/GGG happens, it will definitely be a 'big drama' fight during the buildup and hopefully during the fight!
Don't forget that Ward and Floyd have the same styles and Manny and GGG are both aggressive fighters and smaller.
Shiiiit! All y'all could be crying the blues again. Could⚡️strike twice?😱
The point isn't that people are nut hugging GGG, it's that for some crazy reason , some people (and I have to say nearly all Americans) can't/won't see that GGG is a top fighter and is clearly being avoided by a lot of so-called top fighters.
I don't think anyone is saying GGG is the second coming, but he is pretty damn good.
Primo Carnera,
I agree with you, seriously.
Agree with most of what u wrote. A couple of points that I differ with are Ward and GGG having styles similar to Floyd and Manny. Ward always reminded me more of a prime Hop than Floyd (although a little faster) and GGG doesn't have the frenetic pace, rhythm and explosive power/speed combination that manny has/had. I also feel that GGG jabs more effectively, is always in great position/balance and uses his defense (parry, head movement/slip or block) more effectively with his offense. I still think Ward beats him though, using a similar style/plan as he did vs Abraham, but that is ONLY if he is able to come back at or close to 100%. Anything less and he gets beaten by GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedFroch is going to retire, he's given plenty of indicators, so forget about him and Ward or GGG.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
There is no doubt that GGG wants a 'big drama' fight with Ward and I think it will happen.
Who wins? Let's see how Ward looks first.
It all depends on whether or not GGG was 'carrying' Monroe last night.😳 Ooh! I know that pissed some people off!!😆
Anyway, if Ward/GGG happens, it will definitely be a 'big drama' fight during the buildup and hopefully during the fight!
Don't forget that Ward and Floyd have the same styles and Manny and GGG are both aggressive fighters and smaller.
Shiiiit! All y'all could be crying the blues again. Could⚡️strike twice?😱
But he would do it with counter punches. Ggg is a smart fighter despite what some people think. He wouldn't be dumb enough to stand toe to toe and chance getting caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
He wouldn't need to , if Groves can hurt Froch , GGG is done for murder.
Nice one, thank you.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Personally I think ggg is a small middle wight so moving up a weight will be daft especially when the big money fights are lower down , don't think his next will be a big name but it will be at middleweight again, I'm hoping the Saul alverez or cotto fight comes off tho but recon cotto will b fighting floyd in September
I agree. I guess I can only call it a hunch but I just see GGG moving up in weight as a something he should avoid doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colinc
I think going up against bigger guys makes him less effective.
I ment he wouldn't need to counter all night , as I feel he would win via knockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherBut he would do it with counter punches. Ggg is a smart fighter despite what some people think. He wouldn't be dumb enough to stand toe to toe and chance getting caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
He wouldn't need to , if Groves can hurt Froch , GGG is done for murder.
Yes he would counter the wide open froch.
Isn't Ward tip toeing away to Lt hvy now and dragging a super middleweight opponent up with him next out? Ward has some rebuilding to do in the first place. You cannot go in the opposite direction and then blame a guy for not wanting to fight you. Golovkin would be way too accurate for Froch I believe.
GGG could NOT get a fight with Sergio AM I RIGHT,! Sergio was supposed to be the man, but
he wanted nothing to do with GGG did he,! why because he would have lost simple.
What more can a fighter do than win, which GGG has done there is no pleasing some people,
he beat Monroe up but in some peoples eyes, he looks vulnerable sorry boy's what a crock of
shit.;)
GGG has a limited style that "I walk forward and break you down" will only take you so far. He's very easy to hit and he has not got a chance of beating Ward if he moves up.
Indeed I can almost see him being embarrased in that fight. But I could be wrong. As for Froch. Froch's age and desire might be against him but I see that as 55/45 in Froch's favour.
Luckily froch is white otherwise ggg would have no chance 😊Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200
Oh. GotchaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlI ment he wouldn't need to counter all night , as I feel he would win via knockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherBut he would do it with counter punches. Ggg is a smart fighter despite what some people think. He wouldn't be dumb enough to stand toe to toe and chance getting caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
He wouldn't need to , if Groves can hurt Froch , GGG is done for murder.
Yes he would counter the wide open froch.
It all depends on whether GGG Can transfer the power from 160 to 168 and looking at his size I don't believe he can. Not saying the power won't be there, it just won't be as devastating. He's 32 as well so it's not even like he's a young 160 fighter.
He's 33 now. But this "small middleweight" talk needs to end. Pac is a small welter, he walks around at the limit. Floyd is a small welter, he walks around a couple pounds above the limit. That is what someone small for the weight does. Golovkin doesn't walk around close to 160. Golovkin walks around only a couple pounds lighter than Ward. He enters the ring only a couple pounds lighter than Ward. At his 30 day weigh in(which gives you a more accurate gauge of true size than anything) this "small middleweight" weighed 3 pounds more than the "big middleweight" Martin Murray. Someone please explain how GGG can be small yet bigger than a man who is big? I could use a laugh. When the right opponent is mentioned GGG has been willing to move up for years. Don't be confused into believing the easy Chavez was the first because he wasn't. As long as it's an easy guy they are willing. GGG fought at a higher weight than he does now 13 years ago! There is absolutely no reason to call him small. At least nothing to do with his size anyway.
I don't think for a second GGG is scared. But people need to open their eyes. GGG already has his next fight scheduled, against the always dangerous TBA in September. They will plug in whoever because there is no time to search out the best opponent. They've been running this scam for years and they are making good money doing it. And people will explain why this next guy is a good opponent since he is busy. But look at his opponents. Go back a ways and you will see over the hill, never were types, almost types, guys that aren't even in real boxing anymore, undersized, only like 5 guys with a KO % above 50%, and Geale. He is 33, he has been champion for years. He needs a challenge!!! He could beat up a child and I'm sure it would be a vicious KO but it wouldn't be sport. Let the man fight someone on his level!! Stop excusing him fighting fighters he is far superior too.
And to add to the point his manager said yesterday "the fans want to see a Ward fight but it would have to be PPV to pay Ward". He has done absolutely no negotiating with Ward to know what Ward would want. So don't let him Arum you people, they are planting false flags. They don't even want to negotiate!!!
I'm not saying he has to fight Ward. But don't let this man tell you he knows the fans want it and give you an excuse he has absolutely no knowledge of. And don't support that excuse with more excuses. Call for the fight, GGG is up for it. And if it can't be made it can't be made. But don't support two great fighters not fighting over excuses. This sport has become far too full of excuses.