Who do you have?
Personally I think Cotto will win this pretty easily.
I think he might stop Canelo in the later rounds.
What do you say?
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Who do you have?
Personally I think Cotto will win this pretty easily.
I think he might stop Canelo in the later rounds.
What do you say?
I think Cotto uses his footspeed advantage and outboxes Canelo.
Canelo for me. Trout beat Cotto, then Canelo beat Trout ,nobody would've thought Cotto would beat Canelo. A few bullshit fights from Cotto since then have only papered over that in my book.
This might be correct. It all depends on whether you think Cotto's wins over Rodriguez, Martinez, and Geale, were as mirage, or were real wins over tough opponents. One thing stands out for me. Cotto didn't get touched very much in any of those fights. I wish we could see how he does holding up against a junior middleweight before he faces Canelo, but as for now, I lean Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Let's see he fought a crippled Martinez, a B- fighter in Geale who was fighting below middleweight and Delvin "never beat anyone of note" Rodriguez...Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThis might be correct. It all depends on whether you think Cotto's wins over Rodriguez, Martinez, and Geale, were as mirage, or were real wins over tough opponents. One thing stands out for me. Cotto didn't get touched very much in any of those fights. I wish we could see how he does holding up against a junior middleweight before he faces Canelo, but as for now, I lean Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I think Canelo smashes him in an exciting while it lasts fight.
I think both guys will have their moments. I see Alvarez' young being the difference down the stretch. Canelo wins a close fight with Cotto in survival mode towards the end or manages to take Cotto out late.
I like Alvarez in this style wise. Finally all that patient boxing plotting and short bursts will pay off late, sap a lot of Cotto mobility. Probably come in bigger, not some gaunt bloated bigger but healthy big who also has pull. Considering I don't like either one now its a damn good fight as long as Cotto doesn't go all entitled diva and insist on riding his gilded battle Unicorn into the ring :horseshit: Both get marked up considerably before its over also. Puff vs cuts.
Alvarez comfortably. Both are long way behind Pac and Floyd but Alvarez has age and size advantage. Been curious as to what weight this will be at? At middleweight any weight above 154 is going to be a huge advantage to Alvarez. Could this be the 1st MW title fight competed at LMW limits?
The only thing I disagree with is I reckon Alvarez would beat Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Hmmm a lot of interesting points being made here!
wunt be surprised if canelo knocks him out early
Cotto uses his jab and movement to confuse the one dimensional slow Canelo, outboxing him while avoiding his shots, and landing his own body shots on the ginger, people bitching about Cotto's opponents while trying to boost up Canelo who beat up a never was in Angulo (who had already just been beat and quit against Lara), was given a gift against Lara himself, and then beat up another never was who hadn't fought in nearly two years in Kirkland :-X
and yea Canelo was given a decision against Trout (I felt that Trout won a close fight), but their other common opponent is who?! oh right Floyd Mayweather, where Canelo was schooled the entire fight while Cotto gave him one of his toughest fights in the last 5 years
A few fights ago everybody would have picked Alvarez but Cotto looks a different fighter since he hooked up with Roach. However he hasn't fought anybody dangerous since he lost to Trout, he'll have had tougher sparring sessions than the Martinez fight.
I'm interested to see how Cotto stands up to somebody more powerful than him who also has a hell of a left hook thumping him in the liver. I think they both have their moments and win rounds but Alvarez takes over after four to six rounds, Cotto goes on the back foot for the rest of the fight and Alvarez wins on points or maybe even a late stoppage.
You're just throwing out terms like gifted, or given a decision, when they don't apply whatsoever. I thought Canelo beat Trout and Lara, it's certainly easy to score those fights for him if you don't try not to. Both of those guys(Trout and Lara) are clearly better than anyone Cotto has beaten above welterweight, I think that's why a lot of people pick Alvarez. I'm not affected personally by either fighter, just the way I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I am a Cotto fan and would support him against Canelo but Floyd fought aggressively against Miguel because he thought he would be able to stop him because Cotto has been in so many wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Floyd never took that risk against Canelo because he would have got seriously hurt. So the fights was closer against Cotto but only for that reason.
You could see it as Cotto maximising his return by retaining the middleweight belt and negotiating a better deal against Canelo. Remember Cotto looked finished losing in a row to Floyd and Trout. Cotto has changed trainer to Roach and taken quite significant time out which has helped Cotto ‘heal up’ his old body. Cotto has won 3 times and all relatively easy victories.
The first strong fighter Cotto faces he will more than likely lose. That is probably Canelo, although that is not a certainty. Cotto would then most likely retire even richer and famous.
Being as objective as possible... I see this as a tough, but not impossible fight for Cotto. Canelo has a decided edge in age, natural size, and at this point probably chin, since Cotto has been in some wars and has come out damaged by them. On the other hand, Cotto has an extremely decided edge in boxing skills. Exhibit A: Cotto gave Floyd an extremely competitive fight, whereas Canelo was shut out and embarrassed by Floyd. Both have power... Cotto may have the edge in hand speed.
Of all the factors above, chin will be key. I see Cotto landing some flush, good shots on Canelo. It remains to be seen what effect they'll have. Cotto will need to exhibit good defense to avoid Canelo's big shots. It'll be an entertaining fight to be sure. One thing for sure..... this one won't fall below the hype like the Floyd-Pacquiao fight did.
I will take the ginger i guess late stoppage i just hope the winner has the balls to fight GGG so he can get the fucking lineal title for the love of god should had it a year ago. Anyhow it will be a good fight and Canelo besides Mayweathers has good wins over Trout and Lara and feel is underrated on this board because ofhow he got his record earlier. Also dear god Tito i pretty fucking impressed by that post to be honest with you man more objective then i would be with some of my favorite fighters kudos dude.
LOL... yeah, it's not easy to put on that "objective hat" when a favorite fighter is concerned. I just tried to concentrate on the main factors such as speed, power, age, etc, etc... and try to base my opinion on that. IMO the fight is hard to predict, because it's all going to depend on the fight plan of each individual. There's enough plusses and minuses on each side to make it a fascinating fight.
I like Canelo a lot but I still question his endurance. Kirkland dragged him into a fire fight and Canelo seemed to fade and have to shell up and catch his wind back.
I think Cotto keeps the jab in his face, works the body and wears Canelo out for the later rounds.
Canelo has always been plagued with stamina issues and I think Cotto's consistent attack is going to wear him down.
Floyd didn't have to take any risks, because he was given a paid sparring session instead of a fight, Canelo didn't throw anything, he had every advantage in his favor and still didn't use them, he had youth and size and he simply didn't throw or try to make it a fight, Cotto was able to lead Mayweather to to ropes just as Maidana did in the first fight, Canelo couldn't effectively cut off the ring to save his lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterI am a Cotto fan and would support him against Canelo but Floyd fought aggressively against Miguel because he thought he would be able to stop him because Cotto has been in so many wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Floyd never took that risk against Canelo because he would have got seriously hurt. So the fights was closer against Cotto but only for that reason.
as for the Trout and Lara fights, the Trout fight was closer but I felt he did enough early on to get the W, and IMO Lara controlled the fight into about the 8th so don't see how so many had Canelo winning
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Originally Posted by Master
Hadn't seen this particular post of yours, @Master . I disagree with why you feel Floyd fought aggressively against Cotto. IMO, it had everything to do with Cotto. Cotto pushed the issue. He brought the fight to Floyd, and did so effectively. That's the difference between Cotto's aggressiveness and Pacquiao's aggressiveness against Floyd. Whereas Cotto's was effective, Pac's was not. Cotto forced Floyd's hand by using effective aggression.
I also disagree with why you feel Floyd fought that way against Canelo. Canelo posed no boxing challenge to Floyd. So Floyd was free to utilize the tactic he normally uses..... boxing circles around the opponent and pot-shotting him to death. Most of Floyd's opponents have had the capability of hurting Floyd if they catch him flush. So why would Floyd chance it.... not just against Canelo, but against anybody?
To me..... there's no amount of window dressing that will change the comparison between both of those Floyd fights. Cotto gave Floyd a competitive and exciting fight. Floyd said so himself after the fight. Canelo almost bored Floyd to tears. It was humiliating, and as one-sided as a fight can be. Another one of those, where the hype far exceeds the fight itself.
Regardless of the outcome of a future Cotto-Canelo fight, the fact will always remain that against that one particular elite opponent, Cotto put on a much better show and a much more competitive fight than Canelo...... by many light-years.
Canelo was throwing as much as he always does against Floyd, he was just used to landing at least some of the time. As much as that was a schooling, I don't think the guy embarrassed himself the way people make out, he did prove to have some skills early on and was doing things that would probably have worked against anyone else. Cotto has the much better feet of course and was able to get to Floyd, but he would need to fight quite differently against Alvarez, where as Canelos tactics in the Floyd fight might actually work out against Miguel. Don't see how comparing their success against Floyd will actually hold much weight in how their fight will go, is basically what I'm saying. It's a good pick em fight.
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Originally Posted by p4pking
If you read the previous posts, you'll see I was disagreeing with Master over the performances of both Cotto and Canelo versus Floyd. At no point was I arguing that this has anything to do with the outcome of a fight against each other. Cotto turned in a B+ performance against Floyd. Canelo put in an F performance against Floyd. Cotto-Canelo is a totally different matter (and subject).
Neither of them are in Floyd's class.
But I think stylistically Cotto will win this fight for sure!
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
All things be equal. No weight yoyo...I'm going to have to go with the kid. I've worshiped Cotto for years but in this fight, in many ways he'd be fighting a younger, stronger version of himself.They don't need that paper title for this one. Its not even relevant.
I like Canelo more and would prefer him to win, but his stamina issues worry me in this fight. I don't think he can out jab Cotto either.