If George and Riddick had fought sometime during the early 90's, how do you think the fight would have turned out?
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If George and Riddick had fought sometime during the early 90's, how do you think the fight would have turned out?
Riddick destroys him. Beats him unmercifully. Riddick was too fast and mobile and was just as big as George. Riddick had a one night prime, but I would pick him over any heavyweight had he fought them that night. Sucks Riddick was so lazy, the guy had everything necessary (except work ethic!) to be the greatest ever.
I'll be in the minority here but I'll say Big George. Riddick was a bit of a pussy in my eyes, hence why he avoided so many top Heavyweights in his era.
http://i.imgur.com/Att0P4o.jpg Love George long time but Bowe duplicates a Stewart jab by 101 times and the inside two-three piece would be brutal on Foreman late 92'. Bowe could be rocked but few could follow up, Coetzer managed it, this was Bowes window if he ever had one and I think he chews George up fighting behind fast jab.
Riddick would have beat his ass. Too good on the outside, too good on the inside.
Yea Bowe easily on his best night, which is what you have to assume you are talking with fights that didn't actually happen, imo.
A pussy? So you're saying you didn't watch him, got it. Dude was lazy as they come, and dumb. But he damn sure wasn't a pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Yea I watched him, he was right in my era. You can't say avoiding Lewis the way he did wasn't a pussy move. That era of Heavyweights was great, and other than Evander he didn't fight any of them. He looked great in that first Evander fight but after that I think he was matched carefully and manufactured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonA pussy? So you're saying you didn't watch him, got it. Dude was lazy as they come, and dumb. But he damn sure wasn't a pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I can say lots of things. I can say it was his management not him that made that choice. Or are people only allowed to get out of fights if they lie and say they are afraid of needles? Is Manny Pacquiao a pussy for backing out of a fight that was agreed to? I wouldn't call Manny Pacquiao a pussy. Would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYea I watched him, he was right in my era. You can't say avoiding Lewis the way he did wasn't a pussy move. That era of Heavyweights was great, and other than Evander he didn't fight any of them. He looked great in that first Evander fight but after that I think he was matched carefully and manufactured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonA pussy? So you're saying you didn't watch him, got it. Dude was lazy as they come, and dumb. But he damn sure wasn't a pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I saw Bowe get absolutely battered by Golota and shot to shit and knowing he was shot to shit I saw the man only looking for some get back. Not one worry about the damage he would take, only about what he could inflict. Pussy? Hell naw
Foreman, just because Bowe never fought anyone with that kind of power.
Yeah but does one move define a career? In that case Roberto Duran a cowardly quitting pussy for bitching out vs Leonard.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Everybody thinks they can beat george foreman..............until they get in the ring with him.
Whop whop whop, a couple of poorly-landed, glancing shots to the ribs or collarbone or breastbone, a telephone pole jab or 2 or 3 to the bridge of the nose......
Bitches start looking for the exit by round 3.
George foreman would blow away riddick bowe in 5 rounds. And thats 42 years old
if we wanna talk about 1973 george foreman,,,,,, hahahahhaaaaa riddick bowe would wake up in a coma and come out of a coma into a deep sleep, round 2.
Manny fought everyone you'd want him to. Bowe didn't. For me, his record is littered with gaps he should have filled. You could say it was his management, but he picked his team. His legacy can't be approved over what he might have done. Maybe pussy is too strong a word because he gave his all in fights, but I think he wimped out of the big fights and I question the reason for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI can say lots of things. I can say it was his management not him that made that choice. Or are people only allowed to get out of fights if they lie and say they are afraid of needles? Is Manny Pacquiao a pussy for backing out of a fight that was agreed to? I wouldn't call Manny Pacquiao a pussy. Would you?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnYea I watched him, he was right in my era. You can't say avoiding Lewis the way he did wasn't a pussy move. That era of Heavyweights was great, and other than Evander he didn't fight any of them. He looked great in that first Evander fight but after that I think he was matched carefully and manufactured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonA pussy? So you're saying you didn't watch him, got it. Dude was lazy as they come, and dumb. But he damn sure wasn't a pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
I saw Bowe get absolutely battered by Golota and shot to shit and knowing he was shot to shit I saw the man only looking for some get back. Not one worry about the damage he would take, only about what he could inflict. Pussy? Hell naw
The best Bowe beats the best Foreman but overall, Foreman of the 70s beats Bowe more times than not.
Bowe if he trained right, but Foreman's long arms and power would always have him in the fight and give him a chance, Bowe literally would have to be in the shape that he was in for the first Holyfield fight and not look like a Buster Douglas clone
Riddick is sticking the jab. Riddick is landing the uppercut and left hook on the inside.
George Foreman got outboxed by Alex Stewart.
George Foreman got outboxed by Tommy Morrison.
George Foreman got outboxed by Jimmy Young.
Seriously, what Foreman are we talking about?
70's or 90's?
Foreman was great at parrying jabs, and had a great way of walking uppercuts on top guys that would come at him Bowe would have eaten a fair few of these himself. Bowe had a good chin though although never really tested against proper punchers...
Chin aside, actually quite an even fight, the more I think about it. Bowe probably the better conditioned man so yeah, the chin thing... Hmmmm.
Bowe got schooled by Andrew Golota and floored by Evander Holyfield....Big George didn't get floored by Evander and he was in his 40's at the time as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
That was washed up Bowe though.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yeah Bowe got floored by Evander, anyone can get floored. The point is Bowe got up and KO'd Holyfield like a boss.
Anyone can get floored true, but look OLD George Foreman hit so hard that guys who were typically brawlers and power punchers like Tommy Morrison chose to BOX against him rather than try and knock him out....George was 40+ years old....the amount of respect Foreman got because of his power was unprecedented.
Bowe was a good fighter and had he stuck to the hit & don't get hit he could win a UD, but if he got stupid and allowed George in range then I'm sorry Bowe just got hit too much. If Tyson hadn't been in prison at the time I doubt Bowe would have kept the title all that long after winning it off of Holyfield.
I'm not arguing George could hit hard, he was clearly a freak of nature. But Holyfield boxed him, Morrison boxed him, Stewart boxed him (and got jobbed), china chin Michael Moorer boxed him and won every round until he got dumb and caught... I just don't see Bowe not being able to do his work with that beautiful jab he had and his great inside fighting. Prime Bowe didn't get hit often.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Bowe's list of opponents does not feature any fighter....ANY fighter with power even close to Foreman's. Bowe got lazy on the inside often...that would have led to his demise vs Foreman.
Bowe got tagged all night by Herbie Hide, if he's gotten hit like that by George the fight would not have gone 6 minutes.
FACT
Well that's kind of a tall order given the fact that Foreman's power is considered to be second to maybe only Earnie Shavers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Bowe fought guys with HUGE power though. Herbie Hide was a power-punching machine with insane power, although he was somewhat undersized.
Again though, George had GREAT power but it wasn't the be all, end all of any hypothetical boxing match.
He landed bombs on Holyfield and couldn't get him out of there. Couldn't get china-chinned Morrison out of there. He got a gift vs Stewart, who was previously stopped by Moorer, Holyfield and Tyson.
Just because the guy hit hard doesn't mean he was going to get everyone he fought out of there. Bowe had a great chin, he boxed very well on the inside and outside and he had a lot of stopping power himself. I don't know why we assume he couldn't handle Foreman's power when guys like Stewart and Morrison did. What did they do better than Bowe?
We are talking 90 92' Foreman right? Its not as if he was hard to hit and while he may have stayed on his feet Holyfield bounced 20+ hooks off his head and had him badly buckled. Cooney rocked him, even a haymaker Ken Lakusta caught him badly when George got careless and walked straight in after knocking him down. Stewarts problem was he kept his hands in his pockets late and let it slip away. Not a robbery but a clear sign that fast hands and a stiff jab would and did keep power at bay. Stewart had a chin often made of rice krispies and again the follow up for Foreman wasn't there. Bowe was a slob but in that specific window, at that time and where he was, he could be tremendous at range and wasn't a complete dummy to fall in.
Out side of say a Moorer thing happening i say Foreman loses to any version of Bowe besides the version of Bowe after the Holyfeild fights. I will say this i think Foreman was the hardest hitting hw of all time at least that is what Holyfeild said he got hit by Bowe,Tyson,Moorer and Lewis hard hitters.
Yes. Shannon Briggs, Evander (so I heard) and even Ali in later years said that the hardest they'd ever been hit by a boxer was by Foreman.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Riddick Bowe was a 'dog with fleas'.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
It's a battle of jab that Bowe would win in the first half but lose in the second half... BUT don't underestimate the inside fighting which would be MUCH better by Bowe with the compact uppercut
He avoided hard punchers in general and Lennox Lewis in particular.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Then again though, even though Foreman did fight hard out banger Morrison, he openly declined to face Lewis also.
Although he did do it with much greater style and dignity than did Riddick.
I still don't think Foreman could beat Bowe under any realistic circumstances!
For pity sake!
If they fight in the '90s, Bowe makes an absolute mess of Foreman. It's not even a contest. In fact, I think it would have been so one-sided with Bowe landing huge bombs at will and the ref would have had no choice but to stop it at some point.
Where is this '90s Foreman bullshit coming from? He was nothing more than a fat, lumbering old man who still took a decent shot, which is just as well because he took a hell of a lot of shots against some pretty average fighters and his only impressive knockout was against Michael Moorer.
I think Foreman is highly rated by people on here because he is a genuine legendary figure in the sport. His comeback to win the title actually ranks right up there with anything Muhammad Ali achieved.
It is very true to say that Old George was very cumbersome and lumbered around the ring. He cleverly tended to stick with smaller opponents he could bully and whondidntbhave the speed or skills to pop around him and win wide decisions (even that renowned technician and slickster Tommy Morrison managed this).
What he NEVER lost was his underrated ring intelligence, great great chin and crushing clubbing Kayo power..
Young George was a bona fide monster. Much more of a scary proposition than anyone really remembers.
It might be my rose tinted specs, but I think that Young George obliterates Riddick Bowe.
Riddick was never the sharpest tool in the box, and while I think he SHOULD widely outbox and punish Old George, I suspect he might be drawn into a war and Foreman would have made him quit or look for a way out by DQ
Riddick would have fucked up young Foreman I think. Young Foreman just didn't have the ring intelligence that the older one did. Prime Riddick was really a marvel HW.
Holyfield aside....who did Riddick Bowe fight that was worth a damn?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
He fought some good names of the time. Why does it matter? If the outcome of every fight was based strictly on who fought the better opposition, why would we even bother watching boxing? We could just go to Boxrec and figure out who is going to win.
Well the point being that at the time of Bowe's title run there WERE better fighters out there and he chose NOT to fight them. Other than Evander Holyfield Bowe fought nobody all that great, old Michael Dokes, Pinklon Thomas, Bert Cooper, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tubbs, Larry Donald, Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Herbie Hide, Andrew Golota, Pierre Coetzer, Everett Martin, Jesse Ferguson, Elijay Tillery, Bruce Seldon......I mean where's Morrison, Moorer, Bruno, Rudduck, Mercer, Tua, Lennox Lewis, Briggs, Tyson, Alex Stewart, Larry Holmes, George Foreman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Bowe gave Holyfield hell but where's the rest of the guys worth a damn on his resume?
Those guys on Bowe's resume, a lot of them were really good fighters to be sure, but I somewhat do agree, he ducked most of the elite boxers...Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell the point being that at the time of Bowe's title run there WERE better fighters out there and he chose NOT to fight them. Other than Evander Holyfield Bowe fought nobody all that great, old Michael Dokes, Pinklon Thomas, Bert Cooper, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tubbs, Larry Donald, Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Herbie Hide, Andrew Golota, Pierre Coetzer, Everett Martin, Jesse Ferguson, Elijay Tillery, Bruce Seldon......I mean where's Morrison, Moorer, Bruno, Rudduck, Mercer, Tua, Lennox Lewis, Briggs, Tyson, Alex Stewart, Larry Holmes, George Foreman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Bowe gave Holyfield hell but where's the rest of the guys worth a damn on his resume?
In particular, he ducked all the big PUNCHERS!
That's why he wanted to continually fight Holyfield because it was a great opponent he knew he could beat with little risk of being savagely hurt by bigger, more powerful and aggressive boxers. Bowe was never the "small" man.
The first and only time he fought a really good+powerful+tall+heavy boxer in Golota, he got the living crap punched out of him 2ce!
Sure, he was good in his day, but he was nothing special when he came back in the 90s, and would have been battered if he'd fought anyone nearly as good and big as Bowe. The person who started this thread asked about a fight between the two in the 90s and no way is Foreman winning that. First we get a thread about him fighting Tyson in the 90s and now this one. Tyson and Bowe would have taken him apart in the 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
Even young Foreman was put on his arse by a lesser fighter than Bowe and Tyson.