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Everyone is always talking about fighters who are/were crazy dedicated, gym rats who always came in ready and in shape (like Evander Holyfield), but lets talk about people on the opposite side of the spectrum. Who are the lazy, albeit very talented fighters who wouldn't put in 100% in the gym, relying mainly just on their talents?
Some that come to mind for me are...
James Toney
Ricky Hatton
Francisco Bojado
Hatton put 150% in the Gym. Outside of it was when he struggled.
IMO that goes hand in hand, if you balloon up to 200+ lbs out of fight time when you fight at 140, it just restricts your training camp to focus more on weight loss rather than actual skill training for the specific fight, Ricky would pretty much go to fat camp when getting ready for a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
another fighter that comes to mind is Juanma Lopez, who cut his career short by blowing up in weight between fights and then not full dedicating himself to his craft and only relying on his power that didn't make up for his punch resistance that faded quickly due to his bad training habits and blows taken in fights
Not-Dedicated
* James 'Buster' Douglas always had 'motivational' issues.
* Joe Louis went thru spells of 'lackadaisical efforts'.
* Ron Lyle was inherently lazy at periods during his career.
* Gerry Cooney was lacking in intestinal fortitude.
* Max Baer was a funny sort, who got by on his punching power alone.
* Ingemar Johansson was 'A Playboy'.
* Ray Mercer just didn't like to train.
Corrie Sanders....dude could have been GREAT if he was not on the golf course so often. The power he had, the speed, he was very impressive in those regards.
James Toney.
"I agree. James Toney just doesn't know how to walk away from a Buffet table."Quote:
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Kelly Clarkson
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Riddick Bowe
this will seem like blasphemy, but at one point Arturo Gatti? I mean he himself said that there was a stage in his career (I think prior to his fights against Ward) that he would hardly train and that he spent too much time out partying and drinking
Chavez Jr.
nah, I said talented fighters not spoiled brats with a privileged last nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Dedication doesn't solely apply to training. A lot of fighters simply refused to expand their skillset.
Jermaine Taylor
Kelly Pavlik
but again, Pavlik and Taylor would both balloon up in weight, and Pavlik was a know alcoholic, on top of what you just mentioned, but at least Taylor made a half assed effort in trying to expand by picking up Steward as his trainer, even though he never bothered to try and actually learn something from him despite the fact that his style should have been a perfect fit for it, excellent long stiff jab, good right hand and a good uppercut, but he was well as the thread states, lazyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Pavlik always had that trailer park trash look about himself. He must have really been draining a lot of fifths for it to affect his boxing career.
Chad Dawson
James Toney was not undedicated and he did not rely on talent. What you saw in the ring were skills taught to him, over many many hours of very hard work, by Bill Miller. His rise to heavyweight was a planned thing; he said in 92 or 93 that he would be HW champion by 2004. The only time his dedication can be questioned is when his weight got out of hand after Holyfield, and that was arguably a mistake in judgement, thinking being heavier would help him.
Is there any body here who didn't immediately think of Ricky Hatton when they saw this thread?
Later in Career,
Muhammad Ali was 'milking it'.
There was no dedication into putting in the effort to come into the Ring in fine shape.
can we all just take a moment to look at the epitome of a strict training regime, healthy diet and overall amazing dedication
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At first, I thought the thread was titled "Most un-educated fighters". Surely the topic would have been 15 pages long by now...
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"Butterbean is not fat or obese. He's just 'big-boned' like me."
"Now somebody get me a 'Fucking' Roasted Chicken, with all the trimmings."
Ann Wilson of 'Heart'
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Would you guys say he could be in better shape ?
If fury wears his shorts any higher for his next fight , even a chin shot will be a low blow.
Tyson didn't exactly dedicate himself once he'd made a few defences and believed he only had to show up to win.
Riddick Bowe is another who couldn't keep his mind on the job.
Hatton (obviously).
Oleander '3rd trimester' Solis sticks out
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Damn.
Fury looks like a B-cup in that picture.
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Damn.
Fury looks like a B-cup in that picture.
:-X
I don't think his physical appearance is an issue , lets face it , its nothing more than a Storm In a D-CUP.;)
what about that juicing stoner Chavez Jnr?
Willie Pastrano, he was not very serious dude based on interviews
Roberto Duran was a notorious party animal who ballooned up between fights even more than Hatton. The great Ray Arcel resorted to actually locking him into his training camps.
Kirkland Laing was a rasta who loved weed and booze, he could have been a great
Stanley Ketchell would habitually escape from his camp to shag local women. Ended up being shot and killed by the irate husband of one of his conquests
Tyson was addicted to drugs and sex for most of his career and certainly didn't dedicate himself to being the best he could be once it all soured on him
There are a whole pile of blubbery heavyweights who should be ashamed to call themselves athletes
As a counterbalance, there have also been fighters who were totally dedicated to training ferociously, Marvin Hagler and Rocky Marciano spring to mind. Floyd Mayweather also clearly doesn't cut any corners in training ever.
The Great John L. Sullivan had to be locked away in training camp because of his love of whiskey
You know on the surface this may not look right but if you really think about it, especially for those of us that witnessed those times, Jimmy Young.
Solis had the talent but got so fat his legs gave way during the biggest fight of his life.
Some good names so far. My list looks like this (in no particular order):
Riddick Bowe
Buster Douglas
Burt Cooper
Ray Mercer
Tommy Morrison
James Toney
Jesse Furgesson
Michael Moorer
Tim Witherspoon
Jorge Castro
Jose Luis Lopez (GREAT talent who wasted it smoking dope during the hey day of Oscar, Tito and Quartey).
Duran
Bobby Czyz
Hector Camacho
Bajado
Joan Guzman. He could've been one of the best in the world but the guy missed weight so many times that people stopped taking him seriously. Huge waste of talent.
Tim Witherspoon
When he wanted to, he could have been one of the best Heavyweights of the 1980's.
He was talented but not good enough to dominate the division when Holmes and Tyson were ruling the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Lynda Carter as 'Wonder Woman'.
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My insiders tell me, that once Lynda Carter got the 'gig', she exploded to near 150 lbs., while expanding her 'Coolie' to 41" wide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom