Andre Ward popular misinformation
Since Froch has recently said nobody wants to watch Ward and GGG said the same because neither wants to fight him it seems like a good time to point out the truth. Ward was drawing 1.3 and 1.2 million on HBO, similar numbers to the HBO darling GGG. This is our sport now, lie until people believe the lie. Just keep repeating it because the truth is what fans want to believe. Just like team Pac did for years others will do. But,like then, the factual numbers don't lie. Ward did good numbers, that is a fact. Watch for the excuses why the facts don't matter to follow....
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Not challenging you or the numbers, mind you.
It just seems odd that for those numbers he's not in either HBO or showtimes stable of fighters now. He had all the straps, is unbeaten, beat the light heavy champ (*boiled down)... no longer injured and cleared up his contract disputes... and he's fighting on BET in a variety show of sorts with music. Somethings gotta be up...
- No marketable competition for him at his weight, maybe? But GGG is ripping through unworthy opponents according to most so he'd be in the same situation.
- The stables of each network is too big to fit one more?
- Maybe his representation wants too much?
I'm not sure what the reason is....Just sayin'...
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I don't believe GGG doesn't want to fight him. I don't think Ward wants it right now. He's been out for 2 years. He's fighting Paul Smith ffs. A guy Groves iced in 2 rounds. I think Andre is a great fighter but he was asked by HBO if he wanted Golovkin and he said "not yet". Golovkin said "ok". I can understand Ward saying that as he needs to shake the rust off.
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Ron Swanson
Since Froch has recently said nobody wants to watch Ward and GGG said the same because neither wants to fight him it seems like a good time to point out the truth. Ward was drawing 1.3 and 1.2 million on HBO, similar numbers to the HBO darling GGG. This is our sport now, lie until people believe the lie. Just keep repeating it because the truth is what fans want to believe. Just like team Pac did for years others will do. But,like then, the factual numbers don't lie. Ward did good numbers, that is a fact. Watch for the excuses why the facts don't matter to follow....
When you consider Froch-Groves 2 did 1 million and Froch-Kessler 2 did 1.2 million, both in the UK and likely got next to 0 publicity in the USA, you can understand what he means.
I aint arguing about it, just comparing.
I have never and will never buy an Andre Ward fight, far too boring.
And i don't just say that to sound strong willed, the first and only PBF fight I ever paid for was vs Pac-man and that was due to the same reasons.
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Gennady Golovkin blasts Andre Ward - Bad Left Hook
Golovkins thoughts on Ward. I hope too much wasn't lost in translation because this is a great response.
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That's interesting. I didn't know that he got that many viewers. Fortunately for him, he's right in the middle of two monsters (ggg and kov) which could really help him become the top p4p guy.
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Damn! Puttin the smack down or what! That was great.
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Hahaha I'm glad to see GGG take the good guy mask off. He should be calling these guys pussies and talking big shit so they can no longer avoid him.
While he's at it he should tell Cotto to grow some balls and either defend his belt against the TRUE #1 MW or drop it and keep his ass down at 154.
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Btw Wards fight is on BET. In Canada that's like putting your fight on Much Music. And he's going head to head really with David and Ndam as well as Broner/Porter. Make sure to post the numbers later Ron.;D
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For months on end Froch was telling people how he really wanted to fight Ward again in England because he knew he could beat him. He said it was one of the only fights he could get motivated for and it would be a huge event, the two best supermiddles blah blah. Now that Ward is back in business Froch is back to ducking yet another fighter and bullshitting his way out a Ward rematch.
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For months on end Froch was telling people how he really wanted to fight Ward again in England because he knew he could beat him. He said it was one of the only fights he could get motivated for and it would be a huge event, the two best supermiddles blah blah. Now that Ward is back in business Froch is back to ducking yet another fighter and bullshitting his way out a Ward rematch.
He can't be arsed training anymore. He wants to retire but his ego won't let him because he desperately wants to keep his name relevant and wants to talk about knocking out Groves in front of 80,000 people at Wembley.
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For months on end Froch was telling people how he really wanted to fight Ward again in England because he knew he could beat him. He said it was one of the only fights he could get motivated for and it would be a huge event, the two best supermiddles blah blah. Now that Ward is back in business Froch is back to ducking yet another fighter and bullshitting his way out a Ward rematch.
He can't be arsed training anymore. He wants to retire but his ego won't let him because he desperately wants to keep his name relevant and wants to talk about knocking out Groves in front of 80,000 people at Wembley.
I'm sure he's going to fight again.
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Well Ward been out for ever and it is not like he does not have people to fight i mean he can fight GGG or that monster up at lhw if really wants to make a name again. Who knows GGG gets put off so much most suck not being able to get a fucking fight when all you do is knock people the fuck out.
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Carl Froch is a total cunt.
If you don't think so then something has gone wrong in your brain.
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Ron Swanson
Since Froch has recently said nobody wants to watch Ward and GGG said the same because neither wants to fight him it seems like a good time to point out the truth. Ward was drawing 1.3 and 1.2 million on HBO, similar numbers to the HBO darling GGG. This is our sport now, lie until people believe the lie. Just keep repeating it because the truth is what fans want to believe. Just like team Pac did for years others will do. But,like then, the factual numbers don't lie. Ward did good numbers, that is a fact. Watch for the excuses why the facts don't matter to follow....
HBO dropped the ball on Ward's promotion. They can get it back, but they really dropped the ball on this. The Goosen promotional hold up made it much worse. In fact, if you look at it from an economic perspective, the Goosen hold up could have been used to raise the demand for Andre Ward- but it had not.
Ward needs to go on a world tour. Fuck American fans for right now. He needs to go on a world tour, and his next 3 or 4 fights should be in places like London, Germany, Japan and China. He can get some fights and draw a few crowds there. Shit, even take a chance with Mexico and France. Who knows?
Additionally, he needs to go on Oprah, at the very least. Cant have extraordinary talent just wasted without the proper push from the media.
I would suggest Oprah, Good Morning America, The View, Ellen, etc... just go on a media blitz. ESPN too. Give the people a chance to love him and little more.
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Ron Swanson
Since Froch has recently said nobody wants to watch Ward and GGG said the same because neither wants to fight him it seems like a good time to point out the truth. Ward was drawing 1.3 and 1.2 million on HBO, similar numbers to the HBO darling GGG. This is our sport now, lie until people believe the lie. Just keep repeating it because the truth is what fans want to believe. Just like team Pac did for years others will do. But,like then, the factual numbers don't lie. Ward did good numbers, that is a fact. Watch for the excuses why the facts don't matter to follow....
HBO dropped the ball on Ward's promotion. They can get it back, but they really dropped the ball on this. The Goosen promotional hold up made it much worse. In fact, if you look at it from an economic perspective, the Goosen hold up could have been used to raise the demand for Andre Ward- but it had not.
Ward needs to go on a world tour. Fuck American fans for right now. He needs to go on a world tour, and his next 3 or 4 fights should be in places like London, Germany, Japan and China. He can get some fights and draw a few crowds there. Shit, even take a chance with Mexico and France. Who knows?
Additionally, he needs to go on Oprah, at the very least. Cant have extraordinary talent just wasted without the proper push from the media.
I would suggest Oprah, Good Morning America, The View, Ellen, etc... just go on a media blitz. ESPN too. Give the people a chance to love him and little more.
I'm not quite sure that's possible. If only for the very same reason hbo "dropped the ball" on wards promotion. Who wants him on their show and for what reason? I'm sure he has the positivity of an potential guest... but he was a fighter with 2 or 3 world titles, on the mythical pound for pound list, beat a light heavy champ* but wont fight out of his own backyard unless its at wembly in front a massive crowd, fighting a guy he already beat decisively eventhough he just came off a 2 year layoff and his last 2 fights were against no hopers. We're talking about a world champ whose acting like a regional champ.
Andre got his money through Roc..and I guess i'm happy for him. But I don't read forbes, so until the big contract landing primadonnas that feel like they made it to the top of the sport by way of their paycheck and not their performances, are ready to make statements. They don't matter a whole lot to me. I would imagine there are lot of people out there that feel the same way. So if ward wants to go on a promo world tour he can but he either has to push the envelope by campaigning as perhaps the "Anti Floyd" or a warrior who on behalf on Roc is going to single-handedly put haymon out of business by taking on and beating any PBC fighters within a division of him... (What a son of God without a crusade) ..
He's either going to have to choke down some humble pie, fight a lot and put some fighters down in action packed fights and make everyone come to see him or stay on the path hes going and hope people come around and warm up to variety shows and his paid boxing lessons on BET. It appears hes content to count his money and do the latter as he becomes the Super Middle version of Michelchewski.
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For months on end Froch was telling people how he really wanted to fight Ward again in England because he knew he could beat him. He said it was one of the only fights he could get motivated for and it would be a huge event, the two best supermiddles blah blah. Now that Ward is back in business Froch is back to ducking yet another fighter and bullshitting his way out a Ward rematch.
which other fighter has froch ducked?
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Kirkland Laing
For months on end Froch was telling people how he really wanted to fight Ward again in England because he knew he could beat him. He said it was one of the only fights he could get motivated for and it would be a huge event, the two best supermiddles blah blah. Now that Ward is back in business Froch is back to ducking yet another fighter and bullshitting his way out a Ward rematch.
which other fighter has froch ducked?
Calzaghe, Golovkin, Hopkins. He's also bitched and moaned about having to fight certain guys away from home, threatened to retire if he had to fight them abroad and so on.
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There are good fights for Ward if Froch is retired and GGG doesn't want to move up to fight him at 168. At 168, the winner of the DeGale/Groves rematch, or Badou Jack if he spoils it. At 175, Kovalev, Pascal, Stevenson, Beterbiev, Alvarez, Braehmer. He's had a come-back fight. Now let's see him in good competition.
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Ward might as well move up because he has cleared the divsion and 175 has alot more big fights. The fact that he has not fought so long is kinda crazy. GGG i think is 160 fighter i am not sure how much he cuts and he beat Froch in a fight that was not really that fun to watch either.
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Hey..... who needs GGG when you get Rohan Murdock, right? ;)
Well......... "almost" get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUULzeVL734
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Ron Swanson
Since Froch has recently said nobody wants to watch Ward and GGG said the same because neither wants to fight him it seems like a good time to point out the truth. Ward was drawing 1.3 and 1.2 million on HBO, similar numbers to the HBO darling GGG. This is our sport now, lie until people believe the lie. Just keep repeating it because the truth is what fans want to believe. Just like team Pac did for years others will do. But,like then, the factual numbers don't lie. Ward did good numbers, that is a fact. Watch for the excuses why the facts don't matter to follow....
I have nothing against Ward, I have defended him many times in past threads. What I want to know is why you are calling Golovkin a coward and lying about him not wanting to fight Ward. Golovkin's team picks his fights. I am beginning to think you will not be happy until you see him in against Kovalev.
If Lemieux had won, you would not be talking about how good he is, you would be talking about how Golvokin has always been overrated. Every undefeated fighter with power and a fan friendly style is HBO's darling, if they fight on HBO. I do not know what GGG did to you, but it must have been spectacular, in your eyes, because he has not been around long enough to generate a lot of hate.
What's the deal? He beat you favorite fighter? He makes it look too easy in the ring? He is from Kazakhstan? He is having too much success? His English needs some work? He actually lets his manager manage him? He is not giving you that catch weight fight you just cannot live without?
